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- Landthatilove, on 11/05/2009, -8/+149Since there have been 12,041 deaths from suffocation this year, and only 542 accidental gun deaths this year, wouldn't it make more sense for them to ask the prospective parents if they keep plastic bags in the house?
- kartman2001, on 11/05/2009, -12/+131Quite a biased article. Gun ownership has no bearing on couples ability to raise a child.
- Wosat, on 11/05/2009, -10/+87Are some constitutional rights off-limits to adoptive parents?
- mwtapp, on 11/05/2009, -8/+80What do you think about this one ACLU?
- skcolb, on 11/05/2009, -5/+60They should be asking parents if they have pools. Far more dangerous.
- neutron7, on 11/05/2009, -4/+56same reason they dont ask if they have the biggest killer of all. a car.
- bluto36, on 11/05/2009, -4/+54or bathtub
- 45superman, on 11/05/2009, -13/+61The bill that would prohibit adoption agencies from doing this kind of thing is Florida S. 530
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/index.cfm?Mode=Bil ...
Florida residents would be well advised to ask their state senators to support it. - 45superman, on 11/05/2009, -7/+50Yeah--the author made no secret of his position on the matter.
- lyzz, on 11/05/2009, -5/+45Since more children are harmed by car accidents, perhaps parents with cars should be penalized.
- AgmLauncher, on 11/05/2009, -2/+38Or kitchen knives, household cleaners etc.
I love the complete ignorance of people concerning firearms. - SaladCactusKing, on 11/05/2009, -4/+40They've got a point. Most homicidal parents drive 'em off a cliff or just drown 'em in a bathtub.
- drunkCatholic, on 11/05/2009, -5/+39ACLU won't touch gun rights issues with a 100 foot pole. It's very disappointing
- DankBuddz, on 11/05/2009, -2/+35I'm about as liberal as they come, and I have a 1911, AR, and AK locked up in my bedroom.
I'm against violence as much as the next guy, but it doesn't stop me from giving my family and home as much security as I can possibly give them. - chingazo, on 11/05/2009, -1/+28Statistically it is. 12k deaths from plastic bags, 542 deaths from accidental gun deaths, I assume, which would include accidental discharges as they qualify as, you know, accidents. You tell me, which is the bigger threat?
- chiefquanah, on 11/05/2009, -2/+29Or a simple pillow.
- NasserInASaucer, on 11/05/2009, -12/+38This issue has nothing to do with gun safety. It has to do with privacy and whether agencies should have lists of gun owners.
I am terrified that there is a loophole where government can find out what citizens own guns. There ain't a person on earth who needs to be aware of what I keep in my house, especially corrupt officials who one day will conduct raids on 2nd amendment practitioners.
Non gun owners should be afraid that people will know their house is unprotected. The best option is to leave it a mystery, and let all the bad guys assume you're armed, and let government assume you're harmless. - Otto, on 11/05/2009, -0/+25The number he used is often cited without a source, and often cited wrong. However, the information is basically correct, so I'll state the actual fact.
Between 2000 and 2002, there were only 542 accidental gun deaths in the USA among children under the age of 19.
Source - The Center for Disease Control (CDC).
That number has been continually dropping, BTW. For all age groups in 2008, it was 680 deaths. Can't find age-related info yet... But the simple fact is that the number of accidental gun deaths is infinitesimal by comparison to other causes. - Otto, on 11/05/2009, -1/+25Every year in the USA, swimming pools kill more children than firearms. (Source: CDC's National Center for Health Statistics)
Do they ask about swimming pools? - allfatherblack, on 11/05/2009, -2/+22You sound like a ***** idiot. Gun ownership is part of the Constitution and one of your inalienable rights, you know those laws that keep the powerful from making you a ***** slave? Only a half-wit would assume something about another's merit based on their ownership of a gun.
Fool. - GamerXR72, on 11/05/2009, -3/+23Wow Defuser, you're a goddamned retard.
Gun owners also own dishes. So do murderers, rapists, and Hitler. Does that mean people who own dishes are bad people for it? - Chairboy, on 11/05/2009, -1/+21Did you look at the numbers you're responding to at all? It's time to differentiate 'what you FEEL' from 'what is FACT'.
- tdmeth, on 11/05/2009, -3/+23Dear "Defuser", As a fellow Utah Republican, Shut Up.
- Landthatilove, on 11/05/2009, -1/+20Poor reasoning skills. Yes. You have very poor reasoning skills and don't seem to comprehend simple logic. Your moniker gives a bad name to jeep owners everywhere.
- DiggsOnlyJew, on 11/05/2009, -4/+23It's sad how any pair of ***** in the world can make a child unplanned and not even care to raise them (or want to) but when a couple is willing and planning to raise a child, these agencies try to find any reason to deny them.
- FlaNative, on 11/05/2009, -1/+19They definitely need to ask every potential parent if they own guns.
What kind of parent is not ready for the zombie apocalypse? - dshigure, on 11/05/2009, -3/+20The mere act of "asking" someone to stop is protected by the first ammendment :-P
- btschul, on 11/05/2009, -0/+17Compared to 12,000 other accidental deaths.
- Landthatilove, on 11/05/2009, -0/+16Here is the url I got that information from.
http://actionamerica.org/guns/gun-web-widget.shtml
In doing a simple search, I found another number to be 802, and yet another to be 121. Regardless, the number is way lower than traffic deaths, suffocation deaths, poison deaths, etc. So why do they only ask about guns, which are a constitutional right? I know this logic is way over a lot of your heads that fear guns. - jjason1985, on 11/05/2009, -5/+20Why should citizens have to give up a constitutional right in order to be a parent? If the guns are locked and safely secured, and the parents are properly trained and have all the legal permits, then the adoption agencies have no right to judge them as bad parents.
After all, swimming pools are way more dangerous than guns. Just look at the numbers. - Mothrog, on 11/05/2009, -0/+14In a country as large as the US, 542 accidental deaths is tiny. That's 0.002 deaths per 1000 people, kinda tiny. There are bigger fish to fry.
- phauwn, on 11/05/2009, -3/+16It is not right to deny adoption based on gun ownership, but it's perfectly acceptable to ask the questions to make sure that the owners keep them responsibly.
- Dimensio, on 11/05/2009, -2/+15"Actually they're pretty much spelled out."
I have observed that actual facts and reality are of little relevance to advocates of civilian disarmament. - dshigure, on 11/05/2009, -2/+15This story is missing some context. I have no experience with the questions that are asked on the forms, or what they're used for. (I find myself wondering what other sorts of information is collected, how it compares to the gun question, and how much weight the agency places in the answers to them)
However, on its face, I'm afraid that although I'm a gun control lovin' liberal, the NRA has a compelling side in this story. If a family has acquired a legitimate collection of firearms, and the law protects their right to have them, this shouldn't be used to single out their fitness as adoptive parents.
Is that what they're being used for? I don't know, so I can't really make an informed opinion on this. But by the sound of things, the author of this article comes across as being a complete douche. I wish that there was more substance provided for the bias shown. - PabloMac, on 11/05/2009, -0/+13Defuser, if your observations are based on a great deal of personal experience with gun owners, you need a greater deal of personal experience.
- DesertTripper, on 11/05/2009, -4/+17Adoption procedures are, in a word, insane. My wife and I considered adopting before having our own kids (better to be a part of the solution than the problem) but after going to an orientation meeting we forgot the adoption. The amount of red tape and procedural crap that one must go through is ridiculous. Plus, you have to have some government drone nose around your house a number of times and ask you 20 different ways why you want to adopt a kid, and after the adoption you are under constant scrutiny, including in which bedrooms the adopted kid(s) can sleep, how many kids per room, etc. I'm sure that even if they didn't ask, the social worker doing your 'home study' would find out every detail about your guns and ammo if you had any.
While they're at it, why not ask if you have a chain saw, a hedge trimmer, kitchen knives, or Drano?
I wish that they would subject welfare mamas to that kind of scrutiny, instead of honest and hardworking people who want to help out. There are so many orphaned kids out there, and I'm sure that more of them would find homes if the adoption process didn't treat prospective adoptive parents like suspected criminals. Welfare moms can just keep popping 'em out and neglecting or treating 'em like crap, so they do bad in school and join gangs, etc. THEY should be the ones getting the home studies. - Landthatilove, on 11/05/2009, -0/+13It's a lot less to worry about than 12,041. Do the math.
- toxicshok, on 11/05/2009, -3/+15Actually they're pretty much spelled out.
- diggforwhatever, on 11/05/2009, -1/+13You certainly have the right to say what you want, Defuser, and you may even know someone that fits your post. But you grouped all of us in your rant and unless you cite some references that prove your post, I reserve the right the right to say I think you are a lying, sniveling, anti-gun RINO.(if you really are a republican, which I doubt)
- Dimensio, on 11/05/2009, -2/+13"...aside from the fact that gun owners tend to be ignorant, inbred, violence-prone rednecks with a penchant for wife-beating and child abuse, you're right."
Please substantiate this assertion. - boecho, on 11/05/2009, -2/+13Yep, just another ill-informed idiot. I'm a liberal and own lots of guns. I am also a dedicated husband and father. My gun ownership is of the responsible kind, trigger locks, safes, etc. I have never laid a hand on my wife or children. So ***** you and press your evangelical ***** elsewhere.
- awinters, on 11/05/2009, -4/+15I'm not a fan of owning guns, but there is absolutely no proof to any suggestion that people who own guns make bad parents.
How is anyone who has a legal license to own a gun different from anyone who has a legal license to own a car.
It's like they're going out of their way to find excuses to keep kids in the foster system and out of loving homes. - tgc1, on 11/05/2009, -3/+14I like how people cherry pick what should and shouldn't be in the constitution. If you want to change it vote for an amendment. Until then BACK THE ***** OFF. The constitution is the SURPREME law of the land. It is not a foot note. That is what America was founded on. Gun ownership, Freedom of Speech. Two of the most important ***** things in there. Without them well... you can probably guess the way things would have went.
Study up on that there Civil War. You'll understand. - Dimensio, on 11/05/2009, -0/+10Please explain why you have irrationally compared a criminal conviction to a legal and Constitutionally protected state.
- diggforwhatever, on 11/05/2009, -15/+25Care to cite some facts on that, Defuser? Or are you just foaming at the mouth like a typical liberal?
- 45superman, on 11/06/2009, -0/+9This doesn't sound like sarcastic mockery of gun ownership?
"Do you have enough weapons and ammunition in your home to make the Terminator blush? Would you like to adopt kids? If so, the NRA said it's here to make it easier for you pistol-packin' 2nd-Amendment lovers to make like Madonna and start adopting like it's hot."
How about this?
"The gun question wasn't an issue until a couple in Brevard County make [sic] a stink after being asked about their weaponry by the Children's Home Society."
Is it "make [sic] a stink" to object to such intrusions into one's privacy? - Landthatilove, on 11/05/2009, -1/+10I'm not arguing.
- theonlywizdum, on 11/05/2009, -1/+10Why don't they ask if you have knives in the house as well? Think about it, where do most people keep their firearms? In a safe, box, or closet, most likely with a free gun lock on it. Where do most people keep knives? Counter top, table, drawer, sink. Which do you think a small child will find first? There will always be bad parents that endanger the lives of their children, we cant ban everything thats dangerous (or in this case, ban people with dangerous items from having kids).
- PabloMac, on 11/05/2009, -2/+10You need to cut back on the Kool-Aid®.
- o76923, on 11/05/2009, -0/+8The official stance of the ACLU is that the second amendment is to be interpreted as a collective not an individual right. So its reasonable that they'd oppose this legislation on the grounds that kids in homes with guns are more likely to be killed/injured so it is a reasonable question for the state to ask.
On the other hand, they support adoption being about as restricted as the requirements on becoming a parent the old-fashioned way. So maybe they'd support it too. -
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