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- martalli, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46We deserve to know how justice is handed out in our name.
- Recuso, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34You are seriously a moron and you haven't done your homework.
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From: http://www.npr.org/about/place/corpsupport/majordonor.html - ComputerDudes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28NPR is funded through donations. They do not have commercials so they do not have to be accountable to corporate America. They are only accountable to the public. The are the only fair and balanced news I ever get on the radio. In Wisconsin they are very good. They have both right and left guests and callers. They do not screen the calls for your view. I have listened to both Republican and Democratic callers giving their points of view and questioning guests on NPR. They get very little funding from taxpayers, and I think that is why they can also be free to point out problems with the government.
They do tend to bash the Republicans a lot lately, but when Clinton was in office it was the same thing, he took as much crap about his problems as Bush does now. If you don't believe me then listen for yourself. I listen to Rush for myself to find out he is full of crap, - venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Because we voted for it.
"You get the government you deserve" etc. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24@davidrools
So, "three cheers for the U.S.A. We're not as evil as some countries" ?
and I didn't see AmishRefugee saying he "hated" America. He probably just hates seeing it turned into a twisted perversion of what is is supposed to be. We are supposed to be the "Land of the free and the home of the brave" Now its more like the "Land of the secret tribunal and home of the cowardly" Let me be clear - I consider tossing out our freedoms in fear of another terrorist act a cowardly act of immense proportions. More people die of cancer, heart attacks and traffic accidents in a day than did on 9/11. I know what happened on that day was terrible but what the government is doing to our country is making a mockery of their deaths. - skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22"If you don't like the way we are, then move. If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. If you don't like your country, why don't you go live somewhere else?"
Where are the disaffected to go? There is nowhere left to colonize. So how about we take back the country that was ours? How about educating the ignorant? How about discussing the issues? Nothing is ever good enough for a true patriot, there is always room for improvement.
Unconditional love means you can deeply dislike something but still be devoted to it. I love my country. I don't like people when they say "love it or leave it." Let your intellect guide your comments, not your emotions. - thisisjohn, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25We all know reality has a liberal bias -Colbert
- WellArmedLibral, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"Again, I don't condone all the actions of the US government, but if you don't like your country, why don't you go live somewhere else?"
Sir . . . .with all due respect, those are fighting words. _You_ go somewhere else. This is the home of the _FREE_ and the _BRAVE_. I'm not bowing my head to this crappy tyranny. I'm getting my government back by fighting for fair elections and human rights. That's what it means to be a citizen of the US. There are plenty of nations filled with people who put up with torture and "public servants" who lie to them. You can move to one of those if you like . . . Or stay here and fight for your birthright with the other patriots. - emiles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14How is airing a tape being a mouthpiece for the Democrats? If these trials are fair, then the tapes should show that and then no one can complain. However, I doubt that's what they will show to be the case.
- webmonk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18If you're not for us, you're against us?
- rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Heh, @pabster we stay here because this is out country. My family has lived here for at least 6 generations with various parts immigrating from other countries. This is America, you are supposed to fight for it, and keep it free.
The notion of "What makes a good American" seems to be fleeting for a lot of people, perhaps even yourself. If you question the government, ride their ass on all the asinine issues they pass as law, make them EXPLAIN why they do things, and make it totally unacceptable for them to make laws and do government business in secret, then you are upholding the Constitution and making our founding fathers proud.
Those citizens who don't question government, who just simply allow them to do whatever they want, don't vote and do research, and who allow governments to go through time un-checked and believe they are doing the best they can, are delusional and will eventually get dictatorship and tyranny.
You can only have it one way or another. Either the people run the government, or the government runs you, that's it. - zediker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11fleischner:
I beleive they meant to say 1-2% comes from gov't grants. 48-49% comes from non-gov't donations, 50% comes from member stations and the fees paid by stations to purchase our programming. - zephc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12to paraprhase from the Simpsons, "Taping this crime spree is the best idea we ever had!"
- shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm reminded of Barak Obama's amazing speech from the DNC in '04:
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief - I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper - that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one. - inajeep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"And the government's procedure was, anything in that secret evidence was presumed to be valuable and valid. And then the detainee was given the opportunity to rebut the secret evidence. But he was never told what the secret evidence was."
The logic is so bad I can't understand anyone who would even think that such a system can possibly work. It seems to me they jumped the gun picking these two up and now can't let them go 'just in case'. - Daunting, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Wow when your comment above got shot down by facts, you immediately went for the, "Since I can't find them doing anything actually wrong, how about I make a retarded song? Wow now my point is really objective!"
Ya I rhymed, it isn't that difficult. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Even with control of Congress the Democrats will never grow the spine to actually point out that the current executive administration's actions are illegal and simply egregious by any standard. Instead, they keep dickering about how Bush isn't "winning the war" or isn't tough enough on terror or isn't sharing the fat pork pie with them.
- WellArmedLibral, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Christ, I don't know why we are so evil these days . . . .
Frankly (despite the crazy 'conservatives' who post from time to time on digg) I honestly do NOT think its "us" doing this crap.
We are living under an administration that stole the first election it won by disenfranchising 50,000 folks in Florida through an illegal voter purge (there's a class action settlement that proves that). It won the second election by screwing over tens of thousands of voters in Florida and Ohio (as demonstrated by BlackBoxVoting.org).
These monsters "took" the white house, and it turns out the "president" does run the damned military no matter what he did to get elected. We don't suck so much . . . we just don't know how to deal with this kind of attack. - ClosedCaption, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Are you guys still saying "from the battlefield"? Dont you know that the entire world is Bush's battlefield. Foreign fighters naaaaa! Jose Padilla the US Citizen ring a bell? Or that Marri guy that was at home in the US and was black hooded?
I cant believe or ever imagine that US citizens would push for torture and kidnappings...Now its just casually talked about like they arent torture and kidnappings
Oh thats right they're not...Its Alternative Interogation Methods and Extraordinary Rendition? Amazing what a simple name change does - benjamanb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think the idea that NPR is purely leftist/democrat is growing increasingly outdated. I think that corporate interests, and the ideals behind them, have been gaining an increasing level of influence in "public" radio. As an example, I present the case of The humble Farmer, a radio personality on Maine Public Radio (now MPBN) for about the last 30 years. He has recently been experiencing greater and greater levels of censorship from the management of MPBN to remove any hint of political commentary from his weekly radio program -- and the political leanings of The humble Farmer are decidedly to the left, and critical of the current regime.
One of his commentaries, which caused a great deal of outrage, apparently, was simply reading the definition of fascism from the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Apparently something therein struck close to home for some people. Apparently, show hosts for MPBN have been informed that there will soon be a set of guidelines issued to govern what they can and cannot say on the air. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I have just seen some transcripts of these tapes. It's awful. You have prisoners who have no clue what they're accused of and are denied to see the evidence against them; a pakistani tinsmith and father of 10 who finds himself in Guantanamo for three years because his name is similar to a terrorist; people who are accused of being terrorists because they wear cheap Casio watches(!); one inmate who's clearly mentally ill and doesn't appear to know where he is... And they've all been in Guantanamo or worse for _years_.
I knew it was bad, and I'm not soft, but I found some interviews both shocking and heart breaking.
This is going to be huge. - 2012, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13It is possible this could be any of us. Just because you might be a US citizen, don't think you are immune. If I remember my school house rock, it's still a bill and only a bill, so it isn't law ----------- yet.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6167856 - Eljefedeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What in that statement says socialist? He thinks we should help each other out. That is not socialism. Read a book. Any book really would help considerably. Except Ann Coulter, she will make you stupid.
- linuxhansl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8From the article:
"The Pentagon describes the proceedings as an administrative process, so the detainees are not allowed lawyers."
I am tired of this naming and renaming game.
Oh no, these are not "Tribunals" but "Administrative Processes", and they are not "Prisoners of War" but they are "Enemy Combatants". And BTW, this is the "War on Terror"... All used to takes rights away from people (right to a lawyers, right to humane treatments, right to privacy), and there are dozens of other examples.
Only because you call a thing a certain name, does not make it so. - halik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It is absolutely absurd that 75 years after publishing, Kafka's Trial is reality. What's even worse is that Bush won't even understand the irony of this.
- goofporter, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Be sure to follow the link "Guantanamo Through a Prisoner's Eyes" at the bottom.
Dick - AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -24/+30Why must america try so hard to be the worst country in the history of the world?
- chadkazulu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6No, he's a patriot who respects the Constitution.
- bronstad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5how about...
everyone deserves the benefit of habeas corpus - fanzhango, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think if anyone deserve to be label 'fair and balance', it should be NPR. Plenty of conservatives get their news from NPR. Not everyone want to get their news from a echo chamber like fox or msnbc.
- WellArmedLibral, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yeah, they are torture centers. People who don't think so deserve to spend a few years in them :)
Maybe some folks think being stolen away from their family, friends, lives and careers for years is a restful vacation at government expense. I think it sounds like hell. And waterboarding, rape, forced copulation . . . Yeah . . . That's torture.
I'm sick of paying for that crap with my tax dollars. I want to pay for the trial, conviction and possible execution of everyone responsible for creating and running those stupid camps. - Eljefedeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You really should read the rest of the posts in the thread especially when it is only about 20. This question has been answered.
Now, what exactly is your problem with NPR? The truth telling or the actuall journalism? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20> Why must america try so hard to be the worst country in the history of the world?
Because we're good at it? - Iandefor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"We deserve to know how justice is handed out in our name."
Not only do *we* deserve to know how "justice" (Alright, I don't buy that the state can be a justice-dispensing body, but that's neither here nor there and I'll pretend it is for the sake of argument) is dispensed in our name, but the people to whom this justice is dispensed deserve to have the process by which this justice is dispensed made widely known. Justice conducted behind closed doors and under gag orders isn't justice, it's tyranny.
Remember, tyranny is like mushrooms; it grows best in the dark! - otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8These military tribunals are a joke. These prisons are essentially government sponsored terror centers. They try to squeeze out information that's clearly not there, all to compensate for their stupidity and ignorance in handling the crisis. I earnestly hope these torture camps are exposed and recorded in history as examples of how corruption and fear breed terror.
I'm ashamed to say I'm a U.S. citizen in light of what goes on in these places. - Barmat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As a Veteran this situation depresses me. I risked my life for this country's people, it's values and rule of law.This is how it uses that gift. We all better watch out and watch what we say on public forums or we could find ourselves in Gitmo. It looks like people are being held and tortured for nothing. I won't go down without a fight though.
- mjohnson2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I thought it was because "God" wished it so...
- mjohnson2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you don't live here, then you have no factual or intellectual information to base your opinion."
I wonder if you carry the same opinion on spreading democracy to other nations, like... oh I don't know... Iraq? I'm relatively confident that you've never lived there, therefore you obviously believe that we overstepped our boundaries by "liberating" that nation? - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a conservative who thinks NPR is mostly obsolete because there is no "big three" bottleneck in getting video content to the public.
But this case is certainly NOT a good example for critics of NPR. If NPR were useless, where are the other news organizations in digging up this material? - WellArmedLibral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Th torture and detainment in US prison camps is not about justice . . . or security . . . or fairness.
Its about screwing people over cause its fun. Its fun for people who do this crap to think about how they've raped honest american people who trust them. Its fun for them to imagine the families they are destroying.
They like to watch the prisoners (95% innocent of any crime, all untried, all unconvicted) endure lonliness, misery and pain for years on end.
The people who do this crap, those folks who don't walk right out the door when its proposed and fight it tooth and nail when its executed . . . are criminally evil, or insanely stupid.
And the people who do this crap will one day be like the Nazi's who had to move to Brazil to escape prosecution. Cause some folks aren't going to forgive or forget what they did in our name.
People have unalienable rights . . . its the bedrock of the United States, the most dearly held principle of the founding fathers. Those rights have been violated . . . - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It really angers me how badly we ***** up the occupation of Iraq, the filtering out of innocent people at Gitmo, and other things.
If these two things are so badly ***** up, you have to wonder what the government is doing with the AT&T wiretap dragnet. What kinds of ***** are misusing our private communications?
We should put the whole gang of ***** that did this on trial and hang them all. - mjohnson2112, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I cant believe or ever imagine that US citizens would push for torture and kidnappings...Now its just casually talked about like they arent torture and kidnappings"
Well... who knows. America was a confusing place after 9/11. The mob mentality took root, drove us to opinions and thoughts that wouldn't have been possible before. Our leadership took advantage of our anger, fed and manipulated our fears to the point where many of us lost sight of the morals the country was founded on.
Most Americans don't condone torture in all but the most extreme situations. Many of us feel it should be reserved for the most dire of situations... the ticking time bomb scenario, but not as a matter of simple strategy.
George Bush sees it as a mandate to do whatever he believes is moral. We've seen his morality. - vampares, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And no one's "brought him back" yet either.
- vampares, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You mean George. I make that mistake sometimes too.
- jedikv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2its digg, your lucky its just the one (more colbert/stewart/ollberman) quotes to come
- vampares, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Terror centers? Time to stop reading DailyKOS."
I think this will come back to America for 40 years or more. There is a lull in the "wake of terror" but don't think that homeland security or forces abroad are touching the terror coming. These are just passing on their way to war. Copy cats are easy to stop. 9/11 was foobar because it was 20 dudes and a suitcase full of cash not one guy with a laptop and a bankroll. Be realistic. They will be. You want security? Try living in Israel. That's how unchecked aggression lives. And they're bunker only has to withstand bottlerockets. Why push things over the edge? That one guy with a laptop is going to turn into someone who had more patience. That's bad. There is a built in safety mechanism -- smart people don't do stupid ***** -- not homeland security. Nobody stopped my car or searched my house. If they can't figure out why sprite explodes when you shake it, where does that put us?
I spent a couple years studying chemistry. I live in America too. I flown on planes and family members of mine have worked in the pentagon. But I have the foresight to realize that letting them think they got the last lick ultimately changes the _future_, my _future_. Chemistry is some really crazy stuff. I have a much greater respect for the simple blessing of the world we live in and pvc tubing. What would be the result of large quantities of dioxin being released at the top of a water shed be? We have a hard enough time controlling the "good" waste chemicals much less whatever 19th century sludge a would be terrorist can concoct with 20th century building materials. - Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Terror centers? Time to stop reading DailyKOS.
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I realize that Colbert is your Jesus, but it's really not necessary to repeat that quote in every article that's posted to Digg. Especially this one where it doesn't even fit the context.
- MrLatronis, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Conspiracy theorist and you other rejects that think you know everything should move to Rwanda or something where the gov't does public executions. Or go to Iraq pre-war and get thrown off a building time and time again until your demise. None of that happens in America. Stop blaming your country and become part of a solution. Things are never as bad as it seems. It's the ignorant people who turn ketchup into spaghetti sauce that mislead people and pass judgement on stuff they have the slightest clue about. There'll always be whiners who only search for things to bitch about. Nothing is ever perfect. Live with it or don't. War isn't fair and the government doesn't detain men on a whim. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. Even the governments you all love to hate.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Yes, Obama is a socialist - at least if you judge him by his history and not simply when he is politicking for the presidency.
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