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Muslim Man gets Prison time for Paintball Terror training

msnbc.msn.com — A former teacher at a Muslim school in Maryland was again sentenced to 15 years in prison Friday for providing support to a Pakistani terrorist group, even though a federal appeals court had ordered the trial judge to reconsider the original sentence.

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  • EarlOfLade, on 04/26/2008, -28/+6415 years for paintballs?
    USA has now officially gone insane!
    • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -14/+23Material support for a terrorist organization.
      • MacSuxWindozSux, on 04/26/2008, -9/+14Terrorists use our roads...
        Government therefore provided material support, in assisting with their transportation needs.

        You served them lunch during your shift at Wendy's.
        You provided them with material support by assisting their food needs.

        You provided X service which they used to help their terrorist plans.
        You are guilty of terrorism by association.
        • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -9/+4"teehee" because that's just like what this guy did! RTFA you dumbdick.
      • robbiemuffin, on 04/26/2008, -2/+9yeah, the material being balls of paint.

        be careful walking around those terrorists ... they might ruin your suit. ;)
    • Handcannons, on 04/26/2008, -11/+2215 years for supporting terrorists and helping them get materials to train with. Do you think they or any other military group, use live ammunition and explosives for all of their training? He could have gotten 30 years.
      • rupaw, on 04/26/2008, -11/+9Utter nonsense! How does shooting paintballs prepare you for a real fight. Complete different handling and experience than shooting with a real gun. I guess i would rather prepare with a Wii for a battle than with painball-guns. America has gone insane indeed. It's a pity.
        • sq2shooter, on 04/26/2008, -6/+8You think suicide bombers practice with real dynamite and hand grenades? Who cares if they were using real guns or not. He trains terrorists, so ***** em.
        • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -6/+9Thats interesting now hes training terrorists, I don't recall reading that in the article.
        • Mothrog, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5It doesn't train you for shooting a real gun, dumbass, it teaches you tactics and strategy.
        • Mesmorize, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I live right next to a big West Coast military base and the guys are always out there practicing via Paintball.
    • Midtowner, on 04/26/2008, -11/+29The United States should not allow its citizens to take part in aiding terrorism plots against U.S. allies. I have no problem at all with this sentence.
    • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -16/+4BUT BUT BUT... TERRORISTS! 911! ALQUIDA!
    • hmunkey, on 04/26/2008, -10/+17He aided enemy militants in training. If this was in any other country he would have gotten life or been executed.
      • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -5/+15so who got life or was executed for the US arming and training the taliban in the 80's?
        • RandomGuySteve, on 04/26/2008, -5/+9The Taliban of course.
        • solid12345, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3We trained the mujahadeen not the Taliban. Most of the Afghan fighters we trained did their thing and went home to their families.
        • Kizilbash, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1"Most of the Afghan fighters we trained did their thing and went home to their families."
          Yeah, right...
          Most of the Afghan fighters went home and started terrorist groups in Algeria (GIA), Egypt (Islamic Jihad which later merged with Osama bin Laden's group to from al Qaeda), Jordan etc.
      • rupaw, on 04/26/2008, -8/+3In any other country??? You don't get around much hmunkey, do you. No other CIVILIZED country would have brought this case to court. America has gone insane indeed.
        • ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1The UK has laws now that would put this guy away for a long time. They finally got the welfare-chiseling Captain Hook imam locked up for nothing more than the violent, hate-filled content of his sermons.

          And though it's distasteful, it's very necessary if civil war is to be avoided, especially in Europe. There is really no reason that even one more practicing Muslim ought to be allowed in the EU, and I am glad to see the governments starting to engage in low-level harassment and annoyance and surveillance and religious (not racial) profiling that hopefully will drive most religious Muslims away. This is the only alternative to a religious war in which millions will die.

          Radical Islam must be quarantined from the rest of the world. We should conquer the oil fields by force, and cut them off from the entire edifice of Western technology and finance. Let the Saudis herd camels in the desert like their grandfathers. They want to return to the 7th century and we should make every effort to help them get there. Nuclear power hell, I don't want Muslims to be allowed to have electric lights or internal combustion engines.
      • Crozz, on 04/26/2008, -5/+1Stop speaking as if you know my country, hmunkey.
    • edebolt, on 04/26/2008, -7/+7earl of douche please read the article before commenting on it
    • jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+14RTFA - He was convicted because he provided military support to Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant group in Pakistan that violently opposes Indian rule of the disputed Kashmir territory. And he no innocent baby-in-the-woods. He was an assistant to the violent militant leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan.
      • CobaltBlue, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Why RTFA when we have a wonderfully misleading headline to get riled up over?
    • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -14/+9THE GUY DROVE SOME ONE AROUND AND SENT PAINTBALLS TO PAKISTAN!!! How a federal court can convict some one to 15 years with that evidence is absolutely unbelievable.
      • rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Ok, legal process 101 - You aren't convicted to 15 years. Trials are: The trial where you present your case. The Verdict (guilt/not guilty). The Sentence (if you are guilty, what your punishment is).
        Chandia was found guilty of supporting a terrorist group. The sentence was because of this. This Digg tries to spin this as so much more than it is (some Muslim guy jailed for 15 years for paintballs).
    • lhbaker, on 04/26/2008, -0/+9Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan.

      This guy wasn't PLAYING with paint balls. He was shipping them to Pakistan so THEY could play with paint balls. The headline is *****.
    • DestroyFascism, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1You're all mad!
  • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -26/+15He should've gotten deported instead of 15 years on the taxpayers dime.
    • jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4So he could continue with his violent militant activities?
      • Jlaugh, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3Such as driving and shipping paintballs (a legal product).
    • munawarali2, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Assuming he's not a citizen.
  • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -26/+17Can't wait till all the "liberalists" start condeming us for putting a terrorist group supporter in Jail.
    "There is no proof they were a terrorist organization. They were just a group of fun loving young middle eastern men playing a game of paintball."
    • chillypacman, on 04/26/2008, -3/+18You know whats sad? I used to go paintballing when I was a kid but after 9/11 my parents stopped allowing me FOR THIS EXACT REASON.

      I was pretty peeved off but I guess their paranoia had some justification 'he was just a fun loving young middle eastern kid playing a game of paintball'. bleh.

      *Also what might have added was the fact we escaped from Iraq which had a 'security force' (read: gestapo) that would take such liberal interpretations as to what you were doing. But with them they'd accuse you of communism or undermining the regime instead of terrorism.
      • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -7/+6Cut the bull.
        Were not talking about playing paintball at your local "extreme sports shop", we're talking about armed militants in a combat zone, using paintballs as a means of military practice.

        Do you know what's really sad?
        I used to be able to roam around freely as kid, ride buses, go sit and have lunch with my friends at the mall.
        Then they started kidnapping, raping, and killing hitchikers, blowing up buses, walking into malls or markets with bombs strapped around they're chests.
        You know whats sad? my parents stopped allowing me to ride on buses to school, go to crowded places (my favorite band in the whole wide ***** world came to visit my country, but I wasn't allowed to go see them). Three times in my life I've been very close to a suicide bombing. I once missed my train home from work. that saved me from getting blown up with all the rest of the people that got of the train I missed.

        I'd rather give up a few of my social liberties and have the "security forces" (read: the people risking their lives to protect you) defend me, than keep on living my life in terror.
        • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -9/+6But but but what about the human rights of the innocent terrorists!
          Seriously, liberals in this country think terrorists don't exist and are only used by George Bush to scare the people into passing tax cuts.
          • TobiasParker, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4Oh yea all these scary terrorists running around the streets...i am petrified...
          • pushmouse, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2You are an intellectual midget.
          • Tuto, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3No offense, but you are a little pussy. You are afraid of some jerk offs running around with AK 47 5 thousand miles away from you? Since there are more than a thousand things in this world that are more likely to pose a threat to you, you must not leave your house very often?
          • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2No idiot(tuto),
            They live less than 20 miles away from me
          • Jlaugh, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2I can see cases like this being used as precedence to round up all sorts of conservatives here in the United States.
        • 1longtime, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4"I'd rather give up a few of my social liberties"
          Excellent, you can give them all up. You will have to forgive me if I am less enthusiastic.
        • mw113, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4You don't give up "some" or "a few", you give them all up once they see you're willing to concede that for "security". They got you by the balls.
      • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -9/+6If you're not a terrorist or a terrorist organization then you have nothing to worry about.
      • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -5/+4***** sheep
    • david76, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2I hate to break it to you, but U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton was a conservative appointee back in 1985. He was appointed by Reagan.
    • munawarali2, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Pakistan is not in the Middle East.
  • source1984, on 04/26/2008, -27/+10Our legal system is so fair. It is the best in the world!

    /sarcasm
    • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -10/+16Read the ***** article. The guy helped pakistani terrorists, that later go and kill women and children.
      If only there was a ***** death penalty for terrorists. They want to be martyrs? Lets help them.
  • NasKa, on 04/26/2008, -17/+7F**** justice served. I can't find 8 people(minimum in group to play) to go have fun with me. They are all scared. We live in freeist country of world.
  • anteyekon4myst, on 04/26/2008, -19/+55Would a person of any other faith be characterized this way? With Timothy Mcveigh did anyone say Christian Man arrested for blowing up Oklahoma building...heck i cant even remember the name of the militia he belonged to. The point i'm trying to make is that Muslims seem to be the only one's we're characterizing by religion these days. It's like they're the new Japanese or Jew. I know some are going to say it's relevant because these people are commit "acts of terrorism" in the name of their religion, but the religion is not a monolith. It's a small group of people from a certain persuasion within the religion being used to characterize an entire group. Just something to think about.
    • Midtowner, on 04/26/2008, -5/+21That he was a Muslim wasn't really relevant to his sentence as far as I can tell. He was helping a militant group train to kill people in Kashmir. The U.S. shouldn't allow its people to aid such efforts.
      • publiclurker, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3Ever hear about this group called the IRA?

        Hint: They were not Muslim.
        • Midtowner, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5What about them? They were just as bad as this trash. The trouble there were countervailing factors. For example, members of the IRA were against substantial, Soviet-backed Communist revolutionaries. Also, to compare the sort of violence the IRA committed to that which occurs in the Kashmir region results in the lads of the IRA looking like a bunch of pikers. There's no comparison.
          • publiclurker, on 04/27/2008, -0/+01. The Taliban were against the Soviets also (that's why we created them).
            2. Which countries were the top funders of the IRA?
          • Midtowner, on 04/27/2008, -0/+11. The Taliban existed, we merely trained and supported them because the Soviets were a major threat which threatened our existence. Involving them in the quagmire of Afghanistan at least partially led to the Soviet Union's collapse. The sort of violence which occurs in Kashmir is about comparable to that which happened in Afghanistan.

            2. The U.S. supported the IRA, largely through legal fund raising by legally recognized groups. In the 1980's, prior to the Patriot Act, etc., the U.S. had a 'hands off' policy when it came to this sort of thing. The laws are different now. Now it is illegal to aid terrorist groups in any way whatsoever. The Muslim issue is a red herring -- the laws have changed and this guy is getting locked up for breaking the new law.
          • publiclurker, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0So basically, you feel that you can justify anything as long as it helps sooth your cowardly fear of the outside world. Yes we supported terrorists, but is was legal then, is a pretty sad cop out.
    • Kabloink, on 04/26/2008, -7/+11It sort of like condemning all Christians for past terrorist acts in Ireland despite the fact the Irish terrorist groups in no way represented all Christians.
      • anteyekon4myst, on 04/26/2008, -4/+5Thank you. That was my next point.
      • ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Problem is, Islamic terrorists do indeed represent large majorities of Muslims. There is very widespread support for martyrdom. The 9/11 hijackers are lionized in every Muslim community. At some point, you have to recognize that a religion is no longer anything like a faith, but has become an organized crime syndicate that must be extirpated by all the means at our disposal. I believe that at least the Wahhabi/Deobandi brand of Islam has reached that tipping point, and should be dealt with as we did with Nazi Germany.
    • jebudas, on 04/26/2008, -2/+6To be fair, the article didnt have "Muslim Man" in the title, only the digg submission said that. I agree with your excellent point though.
    • rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -2/+10And acutally, the "Muslim" angle is only being played on Digg, as if this is just some Muslim guy who was arrested for paintball. Try again. This guy was supporting a terrorist group, and convicted. Hell, the sentence is a complete different thing.
    • rlh1, on 04/26/2008, -1/+8Mr. McVeigh did not bomb the building in order to further Christian goals. He did it because of his hatred of the US government.
      • DefenceMinister, on 04/26/2008, -4/+4The Muslims don't bomb to further their Islamic goals. It's all imperialism.
        • Wetzilla, on 04/26/2008, -3/+5Yes they do. They think that Sharia (sp?) law should be the law of the land, and carry out these attacks to try and further this goal.
          • mr100percent, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Really, show me a quote where OBL says he wants sharia in America.

            He talks about his anger over US foreign policy, he doesnt care if you eat pork.
          • solid12345, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4OBL wants Sharia in the middle east and wants to take control of the oil reserves and extort and hold the west hostage and bring us to our knees. He never said he'd convert us to Islam.
          • Wetzilla, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1Yes, but the original comment didn't say they don't bomb the USA to further their goals, he just said bomb. They do bomb and attack cities in the middle east to try and further their goals.
        • ad33lshahid, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2wetzilla you're an idiot.
          • Wetzilla, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Wow, great argument. That really gets your point across and shows me how I'm wrong.
        • solid12345, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4Yes they do, they are wanting to rebuild the caliphate in the middle east, overthrow all the kings and implement a Wahhabist Sharia law government resistant to the "Great Satan" that pollutes the middle east with our decadent culture (in their eyes)
        • FritzKatz, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4No, ad33lshahid. You're the idiot.
      • FritzKatz, on 04/26/2008, -5/+4Timothy McVeigh was not a 'Christian' terrorist. That's a lie perpetuated by the MSM.

        McVeigh WAS AN ATHEIST terrorist.

        http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_20 ...
        • cyberscape2, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Dugg down. Learn to read and absorb information from articles. Agnosticism is not atheism.
        • mr100percent, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Then why did he quote the bible at his trial and before he was executed?
    • mafftom, on 04/26/2008, -2/+0I completely agree, it's like somebody saying that all infidels deserve to die, bang out of order I think.
    • solid12345, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1It is not racial or religious profiling, it is just profiling period.

      The majority of terrorist attacks planned by western targets are coming from Muslim Jihad groups so naturally is it not logical to assume there are some crazy fanatics in American/European mosques calling for angry and bitter young Muslim men to rise up and start a jihad?

      The scary part is men like Muhammad Atta were westernized and held jobs in respected positions, went to school, lived next door, whatever. But they could be "turned" from ordinary men into organized killers.
  • borez, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4Hides catapult
  • ryno35, on 04/26/2008, -9/+18Would the sentence have been justified if it were blank rounds for assault rifles? I don't necessarily agree with the sentence as I don't know any of the details of the case. I can see however that paintballs could be an effective combat training tool and much cheaper than blank ammunition. The focus on paint balls, IMO, is a red herring.
    • TheSuperunknown, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4You should be dugg down for making so much sense. What a jerk.
      • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3dugg down for being insightful on how the digg community works.
    • dumbasshit, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0Actually ammunition is so cheap in Pakistan that it would be nonsensical to import paintballs,
      the paintballs would end up costing more then blank rounds, even more than the live rounds

      You know, there isn't a shortage of ammo up there, it's as abundant as cigarettes
  • ZeroFive1, on 04/26/2008, -14/+8What the hell. Is this supposed to be a joke?
    • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -7/+8nope, not joke. cops pump 50 bullets into unarmed black men, no problem. brown guy drives a car and buys paintballs, terrorism!. i wonder who will be convicted for providing the taliban arms and training in the 80's.
      • pushmouse, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3except if you had read the article you would see that he was in fact supporting terrorism.
        • Jlaugh, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3The United States government is the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world. The US has dozens of terrorist organizations in it such as the Ayran Nations, KKK, Black Panthers, Militia's, Gangs, etc. The IRA got a lot of funding from the Irish American community. We sell real weapons all over the world, to terrorists, criminals, revolutionaries, we even sell weapons to Iraqi insurgents when we are fighting a conflict with them.
          • pushmouse, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1No *****. Who doesn't know this already? That is an entirely different discussion.
          • ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0"The IRA got a lot of funding from the Irish American community."

            That is a valid point, and I agree that many thousands of Irish-American Noraid supporters should have gone to jail for it. But thanks to Boston liberal scumbags like Fat Teddy, the IRA was given a free pass.
  • spamcrusher, on 04/26/2008, -10/+16One can train with paintballs and use real ammunition when the time comes.
    • TobiasParker, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3And you wont be able to hit the broad side of a ***** obese Barn since paintballs fire completely different from bullets.
      • Idiggapony, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Obesity in America has really gotten out of hand when even our barns are obese.
  • atact88, on 04/26/2008, -8/+29The paintballs have nothing to do with the real story.
    • buzbom99, on 04/26/2008, -0/+7What the hell is wrong with these people.... The point is not that he sent paintballs across the the damn pond, the point is that he AIDED A TERRORIST GROUP. I couldn't care less whether he sent bologna sandwiches over there, he's still scum in my book.....and a threat.
    • isaactwito, on 04/26/2008, -6/+4First off the paintballs are part of the story, they say that is part of him aiding a "terrorist group", but mostly it's the problem of him driving the one dude around (rta) and stuff. But this is all ***** in reality. Everyone knows that the US government is a bunch of money loving pieces of, I'm lacking a word lower than anything I can think of, and constantly lies to the entire world. I don't know why we put up with the ***** we do from our government. Can you honestly blame anyone from the middle east for creating a militia (just like the ones our constitution protects when they're ours) to fight off a country that comes in, rapes and pillages, murders countless innocent people, destroys your economy government and infrastructure, takes no interest in the people of the nation, installs a puppet government that benefits the US only, comes only for your oil, and leaves you nothing? Because I hope people realize that we're not in Iraq. We are in Afghanistan, we're almost certainly secretly (or not secretly) in Iran, there's little doubt that we have special forces groups in Pakistan, hell we have military groups all over the world. America really is the largest world terrorist group.
      • isaactwito, on 04/26/2008, -3/+1*not only in Iraq.

        I just love how digg submits the older version of what I wrote after I edit it.
      • atact88, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1The fact that we're still in Iraq is a huge testament to the fact that members of the Bush administration and the US military refused to just pull out of Iraq and leave it in a chaotic state. i disagreed with the invasion to begin with, but I support finishing the job. When the insurgency first arose, Rumsfeld told Ambassador Bremer to just hand the country off to anyone, it didn't matter who, any dickhead would do; the US was getting the hell out. Fortunately, Bremer, Condy Rice, and others in the Bush administration did not want to leave Iraq to the fate of terrorists - they were determined to clean the place up and leave Iraq in a stable condition.

        The fact that we're still in so many countries in so many parts of the world is part of the legacy we built as being the only ones who could oppose the Soviet Union. Now that the Soviet Union is gone, the countries don't necessarily want us out - we mutually benefit with them.

        That is not terrorism, that is responsibility, even in the face of the fickle American public opinion.
        • Mindzai, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Thats a nice thought but once the rose colored glasses come off its a different story all together.
  • ohmahgawd, on 04/26/2008, -11/+4Back in 2001, in November, I was wandering down the street with some friends--I was a teen then. We found this old abandoned car, covered in snow, with the back window broken. Much to my friends fear I'd get caught, I slipped through the broken window, and opened the front door. I then searched the car. It wouldn't work and there were no keys, but in the glove compartment there was a tape marked ALLAH, and a terrorism manual in English. I got scared, but took them home. They're still locked up somewhere private.
    Should I have turned the stuff in?
    Oh yeah, there was also gay porn magazines in the back seat for some reason. Gay muslin terrorists. I didn't think that demographic existed.
    • miriv365, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6Gay Muslim Terrorist= Mohammed Atta...
    • leexy, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4You'll have to forgive me for not believing your story. Why on Earth would someone write Allah on a tape?
      • ohmahgawd, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4I don't know. It was a 25 minute long tape of a guy speaking loudly in what sounded like Arabic. I knew a few middle eastern friends a few years ago, but I didn't trust them enough to show them this stuff. I still think I can get in trouble for even having the tape and booklet!
        • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -4/+1"what sounded like Arabic" "I knew a few middle eastern friends a few years ago, but I didn't trust them enough to show them this stuff." so you are admitting you are ignorant and racist.
          • ohmahgawd, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4My friends knew Arabic; I didn't assume. And it did sound like the language they spoke to each other. Ignorant maybe, but racist? How?
          • Silentnite85, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3Your not being racist. Ignorant pricks just like to throw the word out to try and make everyone ignore the real crux of the matter. Nice straw man Pinto.
          • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1the language part was ignorant, not trusting middle eastern people is racist.
          • ohmahgawd, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Did I say I didn't trust them because they were middle eastern? For years I didn't trust anyone with this except for one close friend and a family member.
    • slickstar, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2your a classic. stfu dh.
    • Beastmasta, on 04/26/2008, -3/+1No you did not.
    • source1984, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2I'm Muslim and I don't believe your story. why? Because I've never seen a tape in my life that says "Allah" on it. It could say the title of a speech, the name of a speaker, the chapter of the Qur'an, but not just "Allah". Allah means God and it makes no sense for tape to have that written on it.
      Oh and they forgot their terrorist manual in the car??? lol. Firstly, you dont need a manual to commit such horrible acts. Thats government propaganda. I'm sure they exist, but its not some sort of "red book" for extremists.

      you fail. at making up a story.
      • ohmahgawd, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Shockingly I didn't make this up. The only fail here is that nobody is going to believe this actually happened, even though it did. I did show my Grandmother the tape, but not the manual. She didn't believe it at first, until she heard the tape.
      • Zzone, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1Run away, there's a bomb in the comment!
  • nickcozy, on 04/26/2008, -16/+9Amazing we talk about human right violation in china/russia,when so much bias is happening here .
    • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -4/+5Shouldn't humans have the right to live without fear of being blown up be an IED, harvested by a militant with a rifle, or decapated in the name of some "holy war"?
      The most fundamental right a human can have is the right to live. Imprisoning those who violate that right is the first thing we base our society on.
      The problem is, in any other country, planning to murder civilians and helping people who plan so would get you shot at the spot. We for some reason feel we need to put them in jail, and let them out early for good behaviour.
      • clarient, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4Well, it's obvious that sensationalism and political fear-mongering didn't work on YOU!
        • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2Go spend a year in Southern Thailand, Kashmir, Iraq, Lebanon, the Phillipines, Israel. Or is it not enough for you to understand that after 9/11, the bombings in madrid, london, and many thwarted attacks all over europe and the US, that it's just a a matter of time till they reach your backdoor as well?

          I don't need political fear mongering or sensationalism. All I need is to take a short car drive, and point out: "here a suicide bomber killed 15, here another killed 20 high school students in a discotechque, one of them from my school, this is the fast food restaurant that was bombed three times in half a year, and this is where a terrorist got on a bus, and lead-sprayed 35 passengers".
          In my country, Isalmic terrorism is a matter of every day life. Don't be stupid and allow it to become part of your life as well.
      • EarlOfLade, on 04/26/2008, -1/+7When Germans invaded my home country during WWII, many civilians became terrorists in the eyes if the Germans, but they did the right thing. You can hardly fault Iraqis for blowing up US soldiers. I would have done exactly the same to any foreign power invading my country. Wouldn't you?
        • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2Fighting the german army is one thing. Blowing up a mosque/bus with women and children is another.

          Way to go on comparing the Americans to the Nazi's though, dick head.
          • EarlOfLade, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4What's the difference? The Germans ***** up my country less than what USA has done in Iraq. Maybe you should take off those pink colored glasses for a second?
          • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Iraqis aren't blowing up US soldiers. It's the foreign nationals there that are blowing up both US soldiers and Iraqis.

            Also, what country are you referring to?
    • p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -7/+4Please enumerate which of this guys human rights that were abused.
  • carpespasm, on 04/26/2008, -6/+18while the fact that his money went to paintball equipment is pretty innocuous, the intentions of the organization he sent the money to are pretty obvious. If he'd been sending them money to buy party balloons and the claim is that they were using them to get used to the sound of explosions that would be one thing, but anyone who's played paintball can tell you that it's a very good strategic attack game and could easily be used in close quarters combat training.
    • TobiasParker, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3I have played paintball and i disagree.
      • Jlaugh, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Soldiers loose all the time in paintball, civilians take dangerous risks because they know they can't be hurt that bad by paint.

  • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -15/+19he drove a car and bought paintballs? that's outrageous!
  • rodbibeau, on 04/26/2008, -14/+33"Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan."

    I have to call ***** on this one. Sure, 50,000 paintballs sounds like a large amount....but when there are 2000 in a case, that is only 25 cases, less than a pallet. and at $50/case, that is only $1250 worth of paint. When I play paintball for fun, not for terror attack training, I will go through 2000 in a day, sometimes more. So if you cant buy paintballs in Pakistan, you need to get them here.

    Not to mention he was a teacher at a Muslim school, and would therefore have other Muslim friends throughout the world. When I go to Europe and send 50,000 chocolate chips back, are the Swiss going to convict me of making Americans fatter?

    and WTF, we can play paintball, but they cant. ***** that. Justice was again ***** in the US.
    • hmunkey, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3What? If you make Americans fatter that's one thing. If you give terrorists simulated guns, that's another.
      • nycmac247, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2_simulated_ guns
        so if I gave them a PS3 I could also be arrested?
        What about hand puppets that allow them to re-enact the Battle of Karbala?
      • TheThirdLevel, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0More people die from bad eating habit related diseases or problems than terrorist attacks mmk?
    • dusanmal, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2"Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan." Where the Lashkar is terrorist group...
      Now, what sentence would you give to the person found to be assistant and driver for Osama, who also helped him get any type of terrorist training equipment ?
      50000 paintballs is not problematic amount. It is what they are for. Say, the above mentioned theoretical Osama's friend helped him get some fertilizer... Fertilized in general: OK. Fertilized in terrorist hands: weapon....
      Many innocent Kashmiri people are likely dead now due to the (no matter how innocent it sounds) paintball training this idiot provided for.
    • GoneFishing, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Why don't we go all the way then? XYZ company sued for manufacturing terrorist materials and providing business service to a Muslim American...... *sigh*
  • cptshamrock, on 04/26/2008, -17/+26Misleading title. The guy was helping to train terrorists
    • Adamande, on 04/26/2008, -6/+9And the US hasn't done that?
    • cnhorsman, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3That is irrelevant. The US has killed people. Does that mean that you can kill people also.
    • siszam, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3Look sparky, Food Not Bombs is on a terrorist watch list because they don't agree with the U.S. government and they help feed the homeless. Do you they are terrorists too? Grow up and get a clue.
  • blackrage, on 04/26/2008, -15/+6All he did was send 50,000 paintballs back to his home country. I went to a bachelor party where we used 20000 in one day. Explaining the welts to the strippers later was...um..."interesting"
    • TinternAbbot, on 04/26/2008, -0/+8How hard is it to tell a stripper "the welts are from paintball?" Doesn't seem very interesting.
      • Netrilix, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5The interesting part wasn't the act of telling them, it was the fact that there was a naked woman in front of him. First time you know.
  • slickstar, on 04/26/2008, -10/+13wait, did any1 even bother opening up the f*cken link? it has absolutely nothing to do with him going out pain balling. he was providing terrorist groups 50000 paint ball ammunition and guns. he is a terror supporter. got what he deserved.
    people on digg are starting to forget that they need to read the article AND THEN comment on it. not the other way around.
    • malman4, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4Most on digg don't have the attention span to read an entire article..........
  • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -4/+9In other news, a man sending terrorist groups plans of the empire state building, manuals on how to construct bombs, and supplies to create bombs was Imprisoned for "Selling paper and fertilizer".
    • TobiasParker, on 04/26/2008, -4/+2No...it would be like a man sending his friend in his home country a Postcard from NYC with the Empire State Building on it.
  • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -6/+14Because its now illegal to drive some one around, and ship paintballs to a Pakistan.
    • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -9/+5Sending people to jail for aiding terrorists?
      What next? genocide, rape and child pornography?
      • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -4/+4Dk so whats next? you tell me, this administration has eroded many of our constitutional rights, destroyed habeas corpus, lied to the American people to start a war thats costing us 3500 USD per second, and as we speak is spying on regular citizens with a warrent.
        • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1Better they let islamic terrorist blow up your familiy for being an infidel, until you realize the true way of Islam. (which by the way, once you do decide, they still will kill you for not being the right faction of Islam).
        • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Dk I am not scared of terrorists because they have little bearing upon my life, I am scared of the United States Government because they ultimately have the power. I have no doubt there are Islamic extremists that want to kill Americans, but putting a man in jail because he sent paintballs to Pakistan to me seems unconscionable.
        • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1How about I send them a map to your house, a picture of your baby sister, and a condom.
          Hey, they can't put me in jail for that! I only have them a condom. Putting me in jail for promoting safe sex to me seems unconscionable.
  • hmunkey, on 04/26/2008, -9/+6I actually support the verdict, but it may have been too little. I don't care what you think, but aiding terrorists is not that small of a thing. 15 years is nothing, imagine if he was in another country.
  • Noureddin, on 04/26/2008, -10/+7Terrorists? HAHAHA... That CONSPIRACY? How funny you ignorant nerdish digg users are.

    Seriously though. Their is only a VERY(I mean VEERRRY)small amount of Muslims that are terrorists. Plus, Killing your self is against Islam. In Islam... When you kill yourself... you go straight to hell. Now, If these "Terrorists" were Muslims. They would NOT kill themselves.

    These terrorists and CIA agents... At least the one's that did 9/11. Also, The terrorists that cover their face usually are... dum dum duuuum.... Israeli's. Pretty strange they are doing that , Eh?
    • TinternAbbot, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5Dude, you are delusional. CIA agents didn't "do" 9/11.
    • mafftom, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1You angry people are seriously brainwashed. Oh my god, it really doesn't get any worse than you angry people who can do no wrong in your own eyes. It's always someone elses fault. WAKE UP FOR ***** SAKE.
    • zzhiwen, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2Islam is as cultural as any religion. There will be distinct differences depending where you are and who you ask.
    • coldwayz, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Conspiracy theories aside, you do have a point. Muslims do tend to get arrested on evidence that would never hold up in court. The paint ball 11 as they call them were arrested on pretty flimsy evidence. For example, I went to one of the hearings, and one of the informants said that he had a "dream" in which he saw the defendant telling him that he wanted to kill the Americans. Yep. It was a dream.
  • slickstar, on 04/26/2008, -6/+3paint ball in the butt
  • mal1964, on 04/26/2008, -4/+4No matter what the item is if you know somehow its being used to help in a ill fated act, I say do the mandatory sentence.
  • TinternAbbot, on 04/26/2008, -3/+7Very misleading title.
  • c130commnav, on 04/26/2008, -3/+7My supervisor was a combat training instructor for 10 years, and I being a paintball player, have discussed the use of paintballs for combat training many times. It is horrible, you just can't do realistic or good training using paintball. So honestly he was hurting the terrorists, he just may not have known it.
    • carpespasm, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2while it's true that they can't be used for any sort of long range training, I would think they'd be quite handy in training for urban ops. What problems with using paintball did you guys come up with?
    • lhbaker, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Federal agents still use paintballs, but they're smaller and they hurt like *****.
  • haroonm, on 04/26/2008, -5/+1For anyone interested in the details of the paintball case.... (no pun intended)
    http://haroon.webs.com/PaintballTerror.pdf
    • rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2
      And it's title "Paintball Jihad - The Overzealous Prosecution of the Virginia 11" doesn't really make it look like the most unbiased view of the case.
  • HaloZero, on 04/26/2008, -4/+4Technically, the guy has already been convicted about helping terrorists. (He had contacts with them, and helped their boss when he visited the US). The point of the article is that he got 8 more years in jail because he "supported terrorism" by sending paintballs to Pakistan. There is a special proviso for increasing sentences when the person crime has helped terrorism.
  • clarient, on 04/26/2008, -4/+10FTA: 'Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan.

    ...He said the evidence was clear that Chandia, who grew up in Pakistan and whose father is a prominent attorney there, knew that Lashkar was a violent organization that used terrorist tactics.

    "This defendant knew the purpose of (Lashkar). The evidence clearly shows he knew it," Hilton said.

    ... Chandia is the last of 11 people who were convicted as part of what prosecutors called a "Virginia jihad network" that used paintball games in 2000 and 2001 to train for holy war around the globe. Chandia did not participate in the paintball games but was acquainted with some of those who played.'


    Sooo, here we have a man who was familiar with the name and purpose of a terrorist organization, knowingly acted as a driver and assistant for one of their leaders when that leader visited the U.S., and helped supply paintballs to this same organization who then used those paintballs to train their members in military manuevers.

    The sentence was entirely appropriate and in fact coul have been much harsher and I still wouldn't find it unreasonable.
    • rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Waoh woah woah. Don't inject your facts into this case.
      Seriously though - I fully agree with everything you say here. This digg's title is way misleading.
  • mafftom, on 04/26/2008, -5/+0Brilliant another angry man behind bars.
  • phragg, on 04/26/2008, -5/+2Guys.. I just came out of the closet and wanted to tell you, since I love you guys so much.
  • classicliving, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3what I hate is that entoxx is posting this with the title starting muslim man.... Why do you have to generalise and relate islam with a 'terrorist' according to those who sentenced him? Islam is a religion of peace and a way of life, for those who are not ignorant knows that.
    • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2hmm I forgot, what does the Koran say about infidels again?
      • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

        Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

        They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
        • dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2And when was the last time a jew killed someone for believing in another god?
          When was the last time a christian killed someone for believing in another god?
          As we speak, someone is being killed by an Islamic extremist for being an infidel.
      • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2Hmm I could have sworn I wrote Koran, oh thats right because I DID, *****.
  • dalexandruz, on 04/26/2008, -6/+5the u.s has been terrorizing the rest of the world for the past 60 years by overthrowing democratic governments and installing dictators, arming militias around the world who commit genocide, putting sanctions on countries like iraq in 1990's and starving 2 million people and politicians stated the death's of all those people were worth it.
    We are not a nice country, the u.s only interest is to rape other peoples lands just so people could live like kings here in the u.s.

    we need to bring back manufacturing jobs here in the u.s, build more nuclear plants, start purchasing electric cars, stop eating like a bunch of ***** pigs and let the rest of the world eat.
    • N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Chalmers Johnson would later write that the CIA would refer to this falling out as "Blow Back"
  • mehgahurtz, on 04/26/2008, -4/+7Anyone who agrees with this does not know the difference between a gun and a paintball marker. Markers shoot 300fps for about 150'. Guns shoot so much faster and farther, its ridiculous. The arc a paintball travels is so exaggerated, you have to aim WAY above a target at 150' to hit it.

    Using paintball markers for training? They might as well use stick guns and go "picheeewww, picheeewww!" Besides 25000 paintballs will only last one afternoon for about 15 players. How much training are they really gonna get done in one afternoon?
  • Idiggapony, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6What a misleading title. I guess we know where MSNBC's bias lies in this case.

    Yes, a shipment of RPGs should merit a greater penalty. But nevertheless, the man sent stuff to what he knew to be a terrorist group. It doesn't matter if it was paintballs, boxes of food for their consumption, or cash without a specified use.
  • pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -4/+2paintballs don't kill people, terrorists kill people.
  • Tuto, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4What if I sent Counter strike as a gift through steam to somebody in Pakistan who then turns out to be a terrorist. Would i be facing 15 years also?
    • munawarali2, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1Well, according to the Federal Government, all Pakistani's are terrorists, so you'd better cut off all those ties.
  • Ne007, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4Good thing we have the right to bear arms...but not paintball guns.

    Give me a ***** break, the U.S. has gone to the ***** because George W. Bush surrendered our rights and sovereignty to the so called "terrorists".

    And most Americans can be held accomplice.
  • nycmac247, on 04/26/2008, -3/+7_simulated_ guns

    so if I gave them a PS3 I could also be arrested?

    What about hand puppets that allow them to re-enact the Battle of Karbala?
  • rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -5/+8Buried - inaccurate.
    The guy was put in jail for supporting terrorists, NOT playing paintball. That was just one of his acts in supporting terrorists - and a way to get Digg people to take up for a supporter of terrorism.
    • Idiggapony, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Exactly. The title makes it seem like Muslims are now being arrested just for playing paintball. Maybe that explains nonsensical postings like the one just above yours. I guess those people didn't read or didn't understand the article.
    • ennTOXX, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Sad to read your comments on this post being inaccurate, the article states EXACTLY what the title states. Obvious you didn't read the article. That's to bad you both think with your asses. That explains the brain fart. Oh LOOK! Gum! MMMM... :|||
  • cali141, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2I'm an avid paintballer, and I can safely say that the media LOVES bashing on paintball any way it can, even though it is statistically safer than fishing, bowling, or any of the 'wholesome' sports played at grade schools across the country and world.

    If you want to see the statistics yourself, here you go: http://www.paint-ball.org/safety_report.htm
    • DestroyFascism, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Paint ball is one awesome way to get exercise.
  • ad33lshahid, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5if this was some regular white guy shipping paintballs and driving people around this would never have happened. its all because hes pakistani
    • Idiggapony, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1If this was some regular white guy sending contributions to a terrorist group, he would also be arrested and prosecuted.
  • munawarali2, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5If he had shipped 10 crates of paintballs to any US supported "terrorist organization" (ie.Kurdish groups, Anti-Iranian groups etc), he would have been hailed a hero. Funny how that works.
    • Mindzai, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Yeah really. The hypocrisy boggles the mind. But I guess no one is supposed to know about those 'other' terrorist groups are they? That would mess up the whole mass brainwashing thing.
  • sonyx, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1all pakistanis should be masskilled
  • jab9990, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1wtf is that "gut check America" logo all about? It scares the crap out of me. It looks exactly like Nazi propaganda from the 1930's!!!
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