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- anteyekon4myst, on 04/26/2008, -19/+55Would a person of any other faith be characterized this way? With Timothy Mcveigh did anyone say Christian Man arrested for blowing up Oklahoma building...heck i cant even remember the name of the militia he belonged to. The point i'm trying to make is that Muslims seem to be the only one's we're characterizing by religion these days. It's like they're the new Japanese or Jew. I know some are going to say it's relevant because these people are commit "acts of terrorism" in the name of their religion, but the religion is not a monolith. It's a small group of people from a certain persuasion within the religion being used to characterize an entire group. Just something to think about.
- EarlOfLade, on 04/26/2008, -28/+6415 years for paintballs?
USA has now officially gone insane! - atact88, on 04/26/2008, -8/+29The paintballs have nothing to do with the real story.
- rodbibeau, on 04/26/2008, -14/+33"Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan."
I have to call ***** on this one. Sure, 50,000 paintballs sounds like a large amount....but when there are 2000 in a case, that is only 25 cases, less than a pallet. and at $50/case, that is only $1250 worth of paint. When I play paintball for fun, not for terror attack training, I will go through 2000 in a day, sometimes more. So if you cant buy paintballs in Pakistan, you need to get them here.
Not to mention he was a teacher at a Muslim school, and would therefore have other Muslim friends throughout the world. When I go to Europe and send 50,000 chocolate chips back, are the Swiss going to convict me of making Americans fatter?
and WTF, we can play paintball, but they cant. ***** that. Justice was again ***** in the US. - Midtowner, on 04/26/2008, -11/+29The United States should not allow its citizens to take part in aiding terrorism plots against U.S. allies. I have no problem at all with this sentence.
- Midtowner, on 04/26/2008, -5/+21That he was a Muslim wasn't really relevant to his sentence as far as I can tell. He was helping a militant group train to kill people in Kashmir. The U.S. shouldn't allow its people to aid such efforts.
- chillypacman, on 04/26/2008, -3/+18You know whats sad? I used to go paintballing when I was a kid but after 9/11 my parents stopped allowing me FOR THIS EXACT REASON.
I was pretty peeved off but I guess their paranoia had some justification 'he was just a fun loving young middle eastern kid playing a game of paintball'. bleh.
*Also what might have added was the fact we escaped from Iraq which had a 'security force' (read: gestapo) that would take such liberal interpretations as to what you were doing. But with them they'd accuse you of communism or undermining the regime instead of terrorism. - carpespasm, on 04/26/2008, -6/+18while the fact that his money went to paintball equipment is pretty innocuous, the intentions of the organization he sent the money to are pretty obvious. If he'd been sending them money to buy party balloons and the claim is that they were using them to get used to the sound of explosions that would be one thing, but anyone who's played paintball can tell you that it's a very good strategic attack game and could easily be used in close quarters combat training.
- Handcannons, on 04/26/2008, -11/+2215 years for supporting terrorists and helping them get materials to train with. Do you think they or any other military group, use live ammunition and explosives for all of their training? He could have gotten 30 years.
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -5/+15so who got life or was executed for the US arming and training the taliban in the 80's?
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -14/+23Material support for a terrorist organization.
- cptshamrock, on 04/26/2008, -17/+26Misleading title. The guy was helping to train terrorists
- ryno35, on 04/26/2008, -9/+18Would the sentence have been justified if it were blank rounds for assault rifles? I don't necessarily agree with the sentence as I don't know any of the details of the case. I can see however that paintballs could be an effective combat training tool and much cheaper than blank ammunition. The focus on paint balls, IMO, is a red herring.
- lhbaker, on 04/26/2008, -0/+9Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan.
This guy wasn't PLAYING with paint balls. He was shipping them to Pakistan so THEY could play with paint balls. The headline is *****. - TinternAbbot, on 04/26/2008, -0/+8How hard is it to tell a stripper "the welts are from paintball?" Doesn't seem very interesting.
- rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -2/+10And acutally, the "Muslim" angle is only being played on Digg, as if this is just some Muslim guy who was arrested for paintball. Try again. This guy was supporting a terrorist group, and convicted. Hell, the sentence is a complete different thing.
- N3M3515, on 04/26/2008, -6/+14Because its now illegal to drive some one around, and ship paintballs to a Pakistan.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+14RTFA - He was convicted because he provided military support to Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant group in Pakistan that violently opposes Indian rule of the disputed Kashmir territory. And he no innocent baby-in-the-woods. He was an assistant to the violent militant leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan.
- hmunkey, on 04/26/2008, -10/+17He aided enemy militants in training. If this was in any other country he would have gotten life or been executed.
- robbiemuffin, on 04/26/2008, -2/+9yeah, the material being balls of paint.
be careful walking around those terrorists ... they might ruin your suit. ;) - rlh1, on 04/26/2008, -1/+8Mr. McVeigh did not bomb the building in order to further Christian goals. He did it because of his hatred of the US government.
- EarlOfLade, on 04/26/2008, -1/+7When Germans invaded my home country during WWII, many civilians became terrorists in the eyes if the Germans, but they did the right thing. You can hardly fault Iraqis for blowing up US soldiers. I would have done exactly the same to any foreign power invading my country. Wouldn't you?
- clarient, on 04/26/2008, -4/+10FTA: 'Specifically, Chandia was found guilty of acting as a driver and assistant to Lashkar leader Mohammed Ajmal Khan on his visits to the United States in 2002 and 2003 and helping Khan ship 50,000 paintball pellets from the United States to Pakistan.
...He said the evidence was clear that Chandia, who grew up in Pakistan and whose father is a prominent attorney there, knew that Lashkar was a violent organization that used terrorist tactics.
"This defendant knew the purpose of (Lashkar). The evidence clearly shows he knew it," Hilton said.
... Chandia is the last of 11 people who were convicted as part of what prosecutors called a "Virginia jihad network" that used paintball games in 2000 and 2001 to train for holy war around the globe. Chandia did not participate in the paintball games but was acquainted with some of those who played.'
Sooo, here we have a man who was familiar with the name and purpose of a terrorist organization, knowingly acted as a driver and assistant for one of their leaders when that leader visited the U.S., and helped supply paintballs to this same organization who then used those paintballs to train their members in military manuevers.
The sentence was entirely appropriate and in fact coul have been much harsher and I still wouldn't find it unreasonable. - inactive, on 04/26/2008, -10/+16One can train with paintballs and use real ammunition when the time comes.
- buzbom99, on 04/26/2008, -1/+7What the hell is wrong with these people.... The point is not that he sent paintballs across the the damn pond, the point is that he AIDED A TERRORIST GROUP. I couldn't care less whether he sent bologna sandwiches over there, he's still scum in my book.....and a threat.
- dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -10/+16Read the ***** article. The guy helped pakistani terrorists, that later go and kill women and children.
If only there was a ***** death penalty for terrorists. They want to be martyrs? Lets help them. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 04/26/2008, -9/+14Terrorists use our roads...
Government therefore provided material support, in assisting with their transportation needs.
You served them lunch during your shift at Wendy's.
You provided them with material support by assisting their food needs.
You provided X service which they used to help their terrorist plans.
You are guilty of terrorism by association. - dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -4/+9In other news, a man sending terrorist groups plans of the empire state building, manuals on how to construct bombs, and supplies to create bombs was Imprisoned for "Selling paper and fertilizer".
- Mothrog, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5It doesn't train you for shooting a real gun, dumbass, it teaches you tactics and strategy.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4OBL wants Sharia in the middle east and wants to take control of the oil reserves and extort and hold the west hostage and bring us to our knees. He never said he'd convert us to Islam.
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -15/+19he drove a car and bought paintballs? that's outrageous!
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -3/+7_simulated_ guns
so if I gave them a PS3 I could also be arrested?
What about hand puppets that allow them to re-enact the Battle of Karbala? - Kabloink, on 04/26/2008, -7/+11It sort of like condemning all Christians for past terrorist acts in Ireland despite the fact the Irish terrorist groups in no way represented all Christians.
- jebudas, on 04/26/2008, -2/+6To be fair, the article didnt have "Muslim Man" in the title, only the digg submission said that. I agree with your excellent point though.
- themadrammer, on 08/18/2009, -1/+5If he had shipped 10 crates of paintballs to any US supported "terrorist organization" (ie.Kurdish groups, Anti-Iranian groups etc), he would have been hailed a hero. Funny how that works.
- RandomGuySteve, on 04/26/2008, -5/+9The Taliban of course.
- rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Ok, legal process 101 - You aren't convicted to 15 years. Trials are: The trial where you present your case. The Verdict (guilt/not guilty). The Sentence (if you are guilty, what your punishment is).
Chandia was found guilty of supporting a terrorist group. The sentence was because of this. This Digg tries to spin this as so much more than it is (some Muslim guy jailed for 15 years for paintballs). - pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) - malman4, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4Are you a terrorist in training?
- Midtowner, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5What about them? They were just as bad as this trash. The trouble there were countervailing factors. For example, members of the IRA were against substantial, Soviet-backed Communist revolutionaries. Also, to compare the sort of violence the IRA committed to that which occurs in the Kashmir region results in the lads of the IRA looking like a bunch of pikers. There's no comparison.
- TinternAbbot, on 04/26/2008, -3/+7Very misleading title.
- c130commnav, on 04/26/2008, -3/+7My supervisor was a combat training instructor for 10 years, and I being a paintball player, have discussed the use of paintballs for combat training many times. It is horrible, you just can't do realistic or good training using paintball. So honestly he was hurting the terrorists, he just may not have known it.
- miriv365, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6Gay Muslim Terrorist= Mohammed Atta...
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4Yes they do, they are wanting to rebuild the caliphate in the middle east, overthrow all the kings and implement a Wahhabist Sharia law government resistant to the "Great Satan" that pollutes the middle east with our decadent culture (in their eyes)
- CobaltBlue, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Why RTFA when we have a wonderfully misleading headline to get riled up over?
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4My friends knew Arabic; I didn't assume. And it did sound like the language they spoke to each other. Ignorant maybe, but racist? How?
- Idiggapony, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6What a misleading title. I guess we know where MSNBC's bias lies in this case.
Yes, a shipment of RPGs should merit a greater penalty. But nevertheless, the man sent stuff to what he knew to be a terrorist group. It doesn't matter if it was paintballs, boxes of food for their consumption, or cash without a specified use. - dkapuchino, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3dugg down for being insightful on how the digg community works.
- rblancarte, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Waoh woah woah. Don't inject your facts into this case.
Seriously though - I fully agree with everything you say here. This digg's title is way misleading. - TinternAbbot, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5Dude, you are delusional. CIA agents didn't "do" 9/11.
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