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- headhot, on 11/13/2009, -13/+139Its all in how you ask the questions
- AubreyMaturin, on 11/13/2009, -47/+162People don't have a problem with a public option for their housing insurance, but not for health insurance?
Something's wrong with the poll phrasing. - skelooth, on 11/13/2009, -21/+119" This marks the first time this decade when a plurality has not favored mommy government."
Biased wording much? - phogasmic, on 11/13/2009, -23/+100That question is so loaded its ridiculous. How about you ask "Is it the governments responsibility to make sure that health care is affordable?" I am sick and tired of these polls trying to frame the debate as if we are talking about Single Payer health care vs Private insurance.
It absolutely the responsibility of the government to ensure that health care is affordable and accessible for all. - NiftyG, on 11/13/2009, -62/+131It's even more sad that people won't pitch in to help each other.
- Landthatilove, on 11/13/2009, -176/+235It's sad that this many people believe that an entity other than themselves should take responsability for their lives. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have.
- chesterogilvie, on 11/13/2009, -39/+98Charity is pitching in, this is forced.
- fieryseraph, on 11/13/2009, -10/+64I have a problem with gov't providing flood insurance to people, if that's what you're referring to. We shouldn't be building in places where houses get washed away with such high frequency that no private insurer will touch the insurance market. Simple.
- InfidelAdam, on 11/13/2009, -37/+81Yeah! Why should I have to listen to some "nanny state" with their socialist fire codes? I'll decide whether or not I need a smoke detector, COMRADE!
Also I salute your disdain of "dictionary spelling." Who are those fascists to tell me how to spell words? You know who else loved the dictionary? Hitler. - Zong, on 11/13/2009, -8/+47It's even sadder when a majority of people think an entity other than themselves can give them permission to be married.
- Testies, on 11/13/2009, -27/+65It's not it's responsibility but it sure would be nice to not have to worry about your health care bills when you dont have a job or live below the poverty line and cant afford it.
Sadly, we live in a cult of an individual, bubbled and not caring about our fellow man and it's plight.
In my eyes measure of a society is how well it takes car of its neediest. - bsmang, on 11/13/2009, -12/+49Yeah because more people are always smarter.
/s - elcalrissian, on 11/13/2009, -19/+56If the government wasnt already taking 27% of my 40,000 every year, i'd have more to help others.
Now im being forced to pony up MORE of my already thin resources because other people dont care enough about themselves to help themselves. - mehan, on 11/13/2009, -56/+91taking away over half of my income in taxes is not exactly "pitching in"
- kemp34, on 11/13/2009, -47/+82Government is not an organic entity, it is simply a tool of human individuals. It can be used for good, or for bad. Since it is heavily force-based, government has often been used for bad through history. Government must be limited to its proper role of simply defending people from aggressive force and fraud. If people use the tool of government to get involved in the process of taking from some in order to give to others, you have turned around the proper role of government. If people want others to help them with their health care, they need to rationally convince them, not force them through big guns, courts and prisons. That is the problem with our society today. Everybody wants to use force to get others to give them what they want. Sorry, but that is a recipe for utter fail. Government should not take from some to give to others, regardless of who those others are (banks, big farms, war profiteers, insurance companies, car manufacturers, people who want to be taken care of from cradle to grave, etc.)
- FritoPendejo, on 11/13/2009, -20/+55If I stole your car because I need to get to work, would you consider that helping me out? The rate of charitable giving is very high. I'm not sure you understand the difference between something that is forced and something that is voluntary.
- superkendall, on 11/13/2009, -24/+59But you are wrong, they will - look at the Indonesian tsunami, and the pouring of money into the Red Cross by private citizens. In fact all over the place you find people donating quite a lot of time and money into charities.
As government grows the private charities will shrink, because charity becomes "someone else's problem". That's the real danger. - Landthatilove, on 11/13/2009, -34/+68I do help others. I don't need the government to force me into it.
- govsucks, on 11/13/2009, -18/+52Even more terrifying is that people think they have a right to force other to "pitch in" to their particular ideology.
- veganpa, on 11/13/2009, -22/+55"Love your neighbor as yourself."
What a caring, thoughtful, compassionate country we are. - jsep, on 11/13/2009, -24/+56Denmark is apparently the happiest place on earth. They have government run health care. Hmmm.
- DiggRage, on 11/13/2009, -14/+44You are not as independent as you think you are. You can make all the preparations in the world, and have as much personal responsibility as you'd like, but "The best laid schemes of mice and men. Go often askew." That is why people form into groups and for governments, and create systems to keep individuals and society going when things go wrong.
- nepidae, on 11/13/2009, -31/+61buried for inflammatory title.
- hughesw2, on 11/13/2009, -2/+30I wish single payer vs private insurance was the real debate in this country
- bklny, on 11/13/2009, -8/+35This is a copy paste and been around for a while.
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level
determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.
On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its
valuables thanks to the local police department.
And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. - Alli3388, on 11/13/2009, -11/+37So does Norway, which has the highest standard of living in the world, one of the highest rated health care systems, and literally zero poverty.
- thecoolestguy, on 11/13/2009, -19/+45Coercion is not love. Even the greediest individual should not be forced by government mandate to be charitable. Being charitable should be a personal decision, not a legal obligation imposed by the government.
- oldhick, on 11/13/2009, -15/+40What are you, 8 years old?
- FutureGuy, on 11/13/2009, -0/+25I wonder how many would say yes to getting rid of Medicare and Social Security.
- rthakidn, on 11/13/2009, -7/+31Housing insurance? Do you mean homeowners insurance? or government subsidized housing? When was that poll taken?
- lead2thehead, on 11/13/2009, -8/+31That's right... the good of the country is unimportant as long as "your team" wins.
- punx, on 11/13/2009, -27/+50You want people to "pitch in" to help others with their health insurance? Offer the opportunity to donate some of your tax return to cover those without health insurance. Know what will happen there? Not one liberal will give a penny, you know why? Because first, no one is responsible for other people's health insurance, and you liberals will give the LEAST just as charity reports show year after year. Lead the way, liberal. Give away your paycheck to cover someone's insurance. We'll follow as soon as we see more than you spewing crap out of your pie hole and you back it up with cold hard cash. I won't hold my breath.
If you screwed up your life, have a ***** job where you wear a name tag at 30, you just might have done something wrong. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you and give up a cent for your poor choices. Suck it up. - punx, on 11/13/2009, -49/+72I have a better idea. Help your damn self. I'm not your keeper.
- phogasmic, on 11/13/2009, -42/+65OMG. For the millionth ***** time the current health care proposal is not a government take over of health care, its a plan to level the playing field and make sure that insurance is affordable for all. All of you guys keep framing it as a government take over of health care, you have absolutely no ***** idea what you are opposing. That is whats so scary about the opposition, they have no ***** clue but they have the best slogans and the loudest mouths.
- GrammerPants, on 11/13/2009, -10/+32I agree that is why in Canada health care is provided by doctors. The funding is provided by the goverment and that funding comes from the taxpayers (everyone).
- Moralogic, on 11/13/2009, -15/+36Agreed, I don't get why they think other countries are doing fine with healthcare while we are having our rates jacked up by insurance companies.
Maybe it is just me, but I trust it in the hands of the government more, where I can vote people out who are hurting us, instead of a company I have absolutely no control over. - dalittle, on 11/13/2009, -12/+33Interestingly, support for the public option is 60 to 70% depending on which poll you consult. Heath care reform with a strong public option is providing another option for people to chose that is not part of the private health care monopoly. And that is why there has been so many of these types of articles, private health care is spending millions of dollars every day to try and stop this so they can continue to charge higher and higher prices and providing less and less care.
- Landthatilove, on 11/13/2009, -14/+35ProfessorSYM
It must be fantastic to be you. I've heard ignorance is bliss. - vtnerd, on 11/13/2009, -15/+33Actually, the part you're looking for is the 10th Amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
So, you need to show me the part that expressly grants this power to the federal government. It's not in there so you need an amendment before healthcare would be the domain of the federal government. Now Congress and the President have little use or understanding of the Constitution so I don't expect that they'll actually obey it, but it is crystal clear on what powers are granted and reserved. - Cputerace, on 11/13/2009, -1/+18There is a public option for housing insurance?
- curtisag, on 11/13/2009, -1/+18If you want cheaper drugs and medical equipment here in the US, simply repeal the law that prohibits the re-importation of medical goods we sell to other socialized countries. That law alone is causing a massive amount of excess cost in the system. It also causes us to pay for the low cost of medicine in other countries and interferes with the free market. If you allow the market to work it will equalize the price everyone pays in the world. Our cost will go down while Europeans, Canadians, and the rest will be forced to pay their fair share.
Any analysis of the merits or disadvantages of socialized medicine in America that ignores this critical fact is flawed. Any reform that ignores it is doomed to failure and high cost. Of course this won't happen because the pharmaceutical industry has their collective dick in the mouth of congress. - TheUngod, on 11/13/2009, -9/+26This is just my opinion, but the federal government isn't there to take care of us. They're meant to protect us so we can take care of ourselves. Health Care should be a state issue, not a federal one. Again, just my opinion.
- Arachnivore, on 11/13/2009, -9/+25There is no such thing as taking personal responsibility in health care. The whole idea of health care (private or public) is to share the responsibility of health care with a vast group of people to guard against having to personally cover the cost of an unforeseeable and expensive illness, such as leukemia.
The problem with private health care is that there are no market forces acting on it. It doesn't operate in anything close to a free market. If you purchase health insurance, the only time you would be able to evaluate weather you are getting a satisfactory return on your investment is when you get sick. At that point, if the health insurance company isn't giving you the service you expect, you can't take your business elsewhere because you now have a pre-existing condition.
While you have essentially no way of exerting market pressure on private health care, you can at least exert political pressure on a public system by voting for politicians that want to improve the system (improve, here, would be relative to your perspective).
Now, there are those who say that you can fix the problem by simply outlawing pre-existing-conditions clauses or regulating the health care industries in other ways. That may be true, but typically, regulatory agencies are better at creating the sorts of iron triangles and bureaucratic nightmares that conservatives are afraid of. The reason is that the regulatory agency doesn't compete with the private industry like a public option would. It creates an interface between government and industry that is meant to be a means of government telling the industry how to operate, but often turns into a tool for the industry to siphon money from the government.
There are many other nations in the world that have embarked on their own public health care experiments and most of them have arrived at more effective systems (in terms of life expectancy), at far less cost than what America pays (both per capita and as %GDP). It would have been nice to have a rational discussion with conservatives about what other countries have done that works or doesn't work, weather those same policies would work as well in the US, and how far is too far in terms of a public option and regulation. Instead, all we got was a bunch of emotionally charged, incoherent squawking and fear mongering.
We pay, by far, the most for our health care compared to the rest of the world and are consistently ranked at or near the bottom of the industrialized world in the health. So make no mistake, our system IS broken and DOES need fixing, and if the conservatives wanted any say in the direction of reform, they should have come to the table when they were invited. - phogasmic, on 11/13/2009, -7/+23Don't feel bad, notice how the poll is not about the Public Option its about a government takeover of health care. Its all about how the question is phrased.
- pashdown, on 11/13/2009, -13/+28I don't want the government taking my hard earned dollars to protect me against other countries! I can protect myself against other countries just fine!
- LoneStarLizard, on 11/13/2009, -7/+22hmm it looks like it is actually our little self-styled professor who is the "moran"
- mbraynard, on 11/13/2009, -12/+27Love != turning into a dependent on the state.
Love = helping to achieve real self respect through individual achievement. - NiftyG, on 11/13/2009, -11/+25We already have entities big enough to deny health care - they're called health insurance companies. We only have about six of them and they're making more money than ever.
- funkedup, on 11/13/2009, -14/+28There will be better health care for the poor if we get government out of the way. All government will do is lower quality and drive up costs, even if they are hidden costs. Before we had government health care, prior to the 60's, many poor were treated for free at churches or other charitable entities. Government has made it so that most of these charitable places are so over regulated and plagued that they can't offer their services anymore.
Also, you have a grave sense of entitlement and you believe in FORCING, i.e. using violence, other people to pay for services. This is a huge display of ignorance and arrogance. Why do you believe in violence to get your way? - WilliamAdama, on 11/13/2009, -28/+41That's just sad. I guess all the ***** lobbying from the insurance companies and fox news really does have an influence on American minds.
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