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- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -1/+56Made me think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdsLJrUUbpY&mode=related&search= - nfulton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+50That was hysterical, thanks for posting it.
And, seriously, does anyone else find themselves just . . . incredulous, that the world's last remaining superpower is letting about 40% of its people vote on touchscreen machines with NO AUDIT TRAIL at all?
I mean . . . seriously. 40% . . . no print out, no record of transactions on tape . . . nothin . . . nada . . . zip . . . - cybersaur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40* Voting machine software should be opensource.
* Paper receipts should be a Federal / state requirement.
* Touch screens are too inaccurate and lose their calibration too easily to be reliable.
* Physical access to voting machines needs to be closely guarded by bipartisan personnel.
Public erosion of confidence in elections undermines Democracy. Standards need to be developed to ensure fair and accurate elections. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41Explain how NO Republicans are complaining that their vote is being changed to Democrat? Shouldn't this work both ways, or has someone programmed them to flip the D to R every 5th vote or something?
A bigger question... is this behavior reproducable? If not I'd have to think that it's people lying about it just to have something to bitch about. - boilerplate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33That's what I love about Republicans, run on a platform that government is broken and corrupt and then spend the next four years proving they were right.
- minox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32The word is "ridiculous" unless you mean it was "diculous" again.
- mikesherov, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28@thecobbs:
So you're saying because one political party does it, then it's OK for it to happen in the other direction? Not to mention this is happening on machines that will be used across the country?
Voter fraud and rigged elections only means one thing: Americans lose... not the parties. - minox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Or you could just press the spell check button so you don't look like a ***** idiot.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30Who gives a ***** which party is getting the other party's votes? The problem here is not that the republicans are getting the votes; the problem is that the votes are being attributed incorrectly.
Get your priorities straight. - jollyllama, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25TheG2:
Dupe, fine, whatever, nice detective work kid. But you're trying to make that a cause for invalidating the argument that voting machines are messed up when you call him a "fear monger," without actually engaging the point. So, why do you think this is crap? Is it becuase of a knee jerk reaction, by chance? - MalaysianMafia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Wow... I fear that at the end of this, nobody is going to respect the results no matter who wins...
- Fraize, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@thcobbs
Maybe... In any case, we should have paper-trails or voter receipts, right? Don't you think that's wise? - rprouse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Makes me wonder too. On the surface, it sounds like a programming or touch-screen calibration issue, but we have seen several reports of this already and all of them are Dem->Rep. One would assume that if it was a calibration issue that it would be 50/50 in either direction.
Of course, maybe on these machines the calibration tends to go out of whack downwards and straight party tickets are listed alphabetically? But that would be boring, conspiracies are so much more fun :D - ZennZero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Everyone calm down. You're being a little diculous.
- appetite, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22yea whatever, rove, i mean river.
- snypa, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Or the dogs voting Republican.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15oh ya so whatever happened with that 2000 election? oh the supreme court threw out the recount (which gore one) after bush's brother stalled the recount.. interesting and no investigation was ever done..
- GoodBrain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Maybe it's because no one is voting Republican this election?
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13No one was going to respect it anyway.
After the 2000 Presidential election, everyone challenges any close vote as fraud. Why do you think that the lawyers love election season? - UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I am glad this was a duplucate.. I was really concerned it was another (3rd, by my count) case.
It's important, in this case, for a dupe to be pointed out so there is an accurate record of the number of incidents of voting errors. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"After the 2000 Presidential election, everyone challenges any close vote as fraud. Why do you think that the lawyers love election season?"
A paper trail would resolve that. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10paper receipts available for review and recount are an absolute requirement. Honestly, an optical scan ballot is the only reasonable option currently being mooted.
- gnorb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@Cybersaur:
"Physical access to voting machines needs to be closely guarded by bipartisan personnel."
How about "independent, multi-partisan personnel". Some of us are rather tired of the way the Repubs and Dems gang up to beat up on viable 3rd parties like the Green, Libertarian, Constitution, and Reform parties.
/hates what's been done in FL to keep Max Linn out of the election.
//hated what was done in 2000 to keep Nader out of the election.
///otherwise I like your list, and totally agree. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10A paper trail would answer all those questions.
- jtek99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This is why all electronic voting machines need a voter-verified paper receipt. Paper trail for the win!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8On a somewhat unrelated note, I really hate it when people throw their PHDs around as if they're more significant than they are. FTFA: "Some of those voters including Lamar University professor, Dr. Bruce Drury, believe the problem is a programming error."
Dr. Bruce Dreary is a Political Science professor, not inherently qualified to assess a software bug.
http://dept.lamar.edu/polisci/DRURY/drury-bio.html - boilerplate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8good list, I've one more to add:
No more having the Secretary of State, of either party, working as the chair of a candidate's state campaign. You know, like in Ohio in 2004 or Florida in 2000. Just seems insane to me that this is legal. Like having the judge also working as the DA. - kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13@TheG2:
There is a lot more at stake here than just who gets credit for being the original poster, or "polluting" your personal Digg home page view with dupes.
Something like this NEEDS to be brought to attention as many times as possible, until everybody knows about it. - nakedlobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I have a couple of points that need to be clarified for me....
1) Where is the PROOF that this has been happening? Are we taking the words of a few people?
2) Were any of these anomolies involving people running unopposed? In other words, is it possible that the switch was made from a "straight Democrat" ticket to a Republican who was running unopposed?
3) How many times did this occur? I know once is more than enough, but how many people have claimed this has happened?
Also, anyone who is interested in conspiracy theories may enjoy the book "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper.
I am not trying to stir up trash, but I am just trying to offer a more investigative look at this recurring thread... - zalewis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7wow. read that as KMFDM reporting something about machines. time to get new glasses.
- fahrenheitlf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9----The story has already been posted, therefore the title of this story is incorrect, its not MORE machines, its the same machines, thats unneed, we need the truth, not misdirection.----
Actually, it is MORE when you're referring to the machines that did this in south Florida.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/15869924.htm - tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11the good news is:
http://digg.com/politics/House_control_in_range_for_Democrats_Reuters_poll - kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"sorry, im not a spelling champion. How about i run everything through you next time cause im too lazy to press the spell check button."
For someone who gives so much crap about Digg story dupes, isn't it ironic that you give people crap when they point out your mistakes? - nfulton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ha Ha Ha! It just occured to me :)
This is a technical support problem. The users (us) say,
"Hey, there's a problem with this application!"
And the contractor who wrote it says "No, there's not"
And we say "Yes! There is."
And they say "Prove it"
And we say "Well look at this"
And they say "That's user error . . . "
How funny. We're being jacked up by a bad contractor. We paid them, in advance, to write us voting software, and they gave us a pile of crap that doesn't work. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. And I just came from the Kerry thread.
You're saying that election fraud is okay, if it's to counter other suspected election fraud? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What about all the machines turning Republican votes into Democrat votes? I guess all techies that work on voting machines are Republican.
- GoodBrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@doublebummer
Most if not all polling places prohibit cameras. Secret ballot, and all that, you know? - Loannes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"It is far easier to hide a big lie than a small one."
"What good fortune for leaders, that men do not think."
- Adolf Hitler - qbyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I agree 1000%!
- sparkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Something overlooked throughout this entire discussion is the danger of Straight Ticket option. A major reason why change never happens is because too many people lazily vote down party lines vs. making an informed decision about each candidate; and the Straight Ticket option encourages that. Countless people died so that we have the right to make these decision that average Americans take for granted. It's bad enough that our voter turnout is so low, but Straight Ticket voting is degrades the quality and the purpose of the election process.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6If only there was a paper trail...
- Loannes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Walden O'Dell was an active fundraiser for George W. Bush's re-election campaign and wrote in a fund-raising letter dated August 13, 2003, that he was committed "to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President."
I.E. The CEO of ***** DIEBOLD! You know, just the company manufacturing most of the electronic voting systems, especially those used in the 2004 Presidential elections.
Honor among theives? - Netmindstorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Same here OP
KMFDM "Sucks" - stylerm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8They haven't exactly been secrete about there previous election rigging. The media doesn't care. We all watched the 10 hour lines in ohio democratic districts on TV, but not one said it was because Ken Blackwell gave them few machines and broken machines. Deliberate and obvious, yet most people didn't connect the dots until Robert Kennedy wrote an article almost 1.5 years later.
They don't have to be secretive, no one who can do something about it cares. - FishPoisonCon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Our music is sampled, totally fake
It's done by machines 'cause they don't make mistakes... - defenestration, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@elmerf6900
The DNC is hardly a leftist institution. Compared policy to policy, the modern DNC lies far to the right of Nixon, who by modern standards was a pinko commie. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It does make sense. Plausible Deniability. You're doing it right now.
- wheaty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How does this point out other fraud? That's diculous.
- GoodBrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You obviously don't understand the culture of greed and entitlement.
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How's that head injury?
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