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- phoobaar, on 01/19/2008, -8/+323I vow to never accept a national ID under any circumstances. I'll accept any penalty, up to and including prison. This is Thomas Paine's America, not Adolph Hitler's Germany.
- kemp34, on 01/19/2008, -5/+158Americans need to wake up now! There is a choice for all people to make right now: free individuals or serfs?
- mercycubed, on 01/19/2008, -2/+135Digg this up folks. This politician is a lone soul trying his best to preserve individual rights and also a state's soverignity. Unfortunately, there are only a handful of politicians with the guts to stand up for the rights of their own constituencies. Here is one of them, I would vote for this guy to be president, the rest of the candidates are wussies.
- dfenz, on 01/19/2008, -3/+128Not to be overly dramatic but, "Show me your REAL ID papers." This is how the loss of liberties begins, we have to support those willing to stand up and commit political suicide to preserve our rights.
- eFiniTi, on 01/19/2008, -1/+104The Fed has become way too powerful. And unnecessarily powerful at that. Please contact the governor of your state and ask that he/she joins Montana!
- thebellmaster1x, on 01/19/2008, -3/+95Holy Jesus. Yesterday, I thought that nobody lived in Montana; now I find out that not only are there people, but they are some of the few still left who will reject oppression? Wow. Good job, Montana.
- inactive, on 01/19/2008, -1/+87The only rebellion required is by We the People. Refuse to accept it - PERIOD. They most certainly can't penalize the entire country for not accepting their ***** ID. United we stand, divided we fall.
- osbjmg, on 01/19/2008, -4/+90I too, will never accept a national ID. This is so important to staying free. Do not accept any reasoning as to why this is good or necessary.
- MITAKUYEOYASIN, on 01/19/2008, -1/+66It's happening here and there around the country, contact your politicians and let then know that if they do not fight it then you will not vote for them, ever. If enough people threaten politicians with votes they will change their ways, keep a list if you have to of, at least, the politicians NOT to vote for.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/ ... - MasterThief117, on 01/19/2008, -2/+66"The ability to get false identification must end, and Real ID is that step"
And who says these Real ID things cannot be forged? Only an idiot would think that. Oh wait... - midoritsuru, on 01/19/2008, -3/+54The spirit of rebellion against tyranny is still alive in this country; maybe there is hope after all!
- JFitzpatrick, on 01/19/2008, -2/+52The founding fathers would flat out ***** their pants to see a single department of the federal government bullying the states like this.
- mfrider, on 01/19/2008, -1/+50I just hope other states stand behind us, or we are going to be hurting here in Montana. If enough of us stand up against this, we can still keep some of our freedoms and take some power from the feds and give it back to the people where it belongs.
- DangerCollie, on 01/19/2008, -1/+44It's amazing to me all the crap people have swallowed. Habeas corpus on its death bed, secret prisons, warrantless wiretaps, turning the Justice Department into a political stooge fest, rigged elections, torture, signing statements....all that you put up with but a national ID card...a stupid card...and you're all ready to grab a rifle and drive to Washington.
Always figured it would be some little thing that would be the catalyst. The big stuff, barely a word. - fyngyrz, on 01/19/2008, -0/+42Montana's been at the head of some other great things, too; For instance, after the Supreme court botched their chance to protect your property from eminent domain theft for the benefit of commercial entities, Montana enacted a very specific law that says absolutely not. The state also keeps a balanced budget, and accrues no new debt. We even have somewhat reasonable speed limits (75.) I'm not saying Montana is perfect by any means, but it is surprising how close to right they get a lot of issues.
As far as aircraft go, video conferencing and the net have gone a long way towards eliminating the need for me, I haven't been on a commercial aircraft in a decade. And as far as entering a federal building goes... I really don't give a *****. They can take their "RealID" and shove it up their collective asses.
I'm 51, ornery as hell, and I approve this message. - relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -4/+42"Rebel states?" ***** the DHS, we don't want Real ID. Its unnecessary and a violation of our privacy and personal rights.
- rmam34, on 01/19/2008, -1/+39http://www.realnightmare.org/
http://www.privacycoalition.org/stoprealid/
http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/
http://www.eff.org/issues/real-id
http://www.no2id.net/
http://www.unrealid.com/index.html
http://realidwatch.blogspot.com/
http://papersplease.org/ - manixrock, on 01/19/2008, -4/+39searching google offers the following first links:
Obama "Real ID" - http://creativeyouth.net/obamaliespeopledie.html [ http://www.google.com/search?q=Obama+%22real+id%22 ]
from the article: "In voting for the Real ID Act, Obama voted to end political asylum for people seeking shelter in this country because of terrorism at home."
"Ron Paul" "Real ID" - http://creativeyouth.net/obamaliespeopledie.html [ http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ron+Paul%22+%22r ... ]
from the article (Ron Paul's Texas Straight Talk): "Terrorism is the excuse given for virtually every new power grab by the federal government, and the national ID is no exception. But federal agencies have tried to create a national ID for years, long before the 9-11 attacks. In fact, a 1996 bill sought to do exactly what the REAL ID Act does: transform state drivers’ licenses into de facto national ID cards. At the time, Congress was flooded with calls by angry constituents and the bill ultimately died."
In conclusion: Ron Paul voted AGAINST the bill, Obama voted FOR.
Obama may create good speeches, but is the presidency nothing more than a mere poetry contest?
"Beautiful words are not always truthful. Truthful words are not always beautiful."
I say a man's actions speak louder than his words. Ron Paul '08. - Daedalus81, on 01/19/2008, -1/+32I'm right there will all of you. I'm trying to convince people in my community to join me, but they just don't care.
- someguyouknow, on 01/19/2008, -1/+31Can someone with knowledge on these Real IDs possibly write up a summary or post a link on the negatives of said ID? Just for those who don't know...
I know a bit about it and what i have read is pretty scary but I have a feeling most people don't even know about it. - Soriven, on 01/19/2008, -1/+30***** the fed
- jake8689, on 01/19/2008, -2/+30from wikipedia
Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington have joined Maine in passing legislation opposing Real ID.
Similar bills are pending in Alaska, Arizona, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, D.C., West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. Other states have moved aggressively to upgrade their IDs since 9/11, and still others have staked decidedly pro-Real ID positions, such as California, North Carolina,. In announcing the new regulations, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff cited California, Alabama and North Dakota as examples of states that had made progress in complying with Real ID. - koreth, on 01/19/2008, -1/+28But... but... 9/11! Terrorists! Fear! Danger! (And what about the children?!?) What's wrong with you -- don't you want a nice false sense of security?
- PovRayMan, on 01/19/2008, -1/+28Don't forget to fight all gun control. Once you have gun control all your other liberties are much easier to "manage"
- Madak17, on 01/19/2008, -3/+29Viva La Revolucion!
Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees! - rficwizard, on 01/19/2008, -1/+27DownsizeDC.org has an ongoing campaign against the REAL ID. I send a message to my representatives on a regular basis. There are a number of issues that Downsize DC has ongoing campaigns against. I would recommend that freedom-loving people check it out.
- lhbaker, on 01/19/2008, -5/+31Papers! Let me see your PAPERS!
- mfrider, on 01/19/2008, -0/+24Yeah most of us in Montana like our freedoms and rights and are willing to stand up for them. Only problem is there aren't that many of us, so its hard to get our selfs heard in Washington.
- inactive, on 01/19/2008, -1/+24Why don't you do it? The people who do know the negatives are busy explaining points such as the Federal Government has no business asking or knowing where I am going, when, with whom or why and how I am getting there. Why makes them think that they do?
If the traveller is a suspect in a crime, legislation and procedure already exist for their investigation. In other words, all citizens are given the same scrutiny and archival of their historical data as you would a suspect/parolee. Plus there is the guaranteed assurance that that information will be lost, stolen or otherwise abused when collected.
Just look to the near weekly reports of huge databases of customer records, health records, military service histories, financial data, all lost at airports or on laptops or just 'missing'. If you get the slightest it annoyed at spam email and having to filter that, imagine the joy you will have when everything you do is now a lever to pry money or information out of you, and easily obtainable by anyone who wants it. - woofers07, on 01/19/2008, -4/+26Man, I grew up in Montana and lived there for 18 years, it used to be a very conservative state full of a bunch of rednecks and cowboys, except for a few cities to even things out a bit. Every time I go back to visit, it surprises me more and more how much more liberal it's getting, it's beginning to make me a proud native Montanan again. Oh, and the ID system truly blows, rage against the machine people!!!!
- masamunecyrus, on 01/20/2008, -1/+22Why is REAL ID bad?
Will the sky come raining down? No. Will any major event happen? No. Will your life change? Very likely not for many years to come.
The importance of the REAL ID is the fact that it IS, more or less, a national ID card. You can't board a plane, enter a federal building, or even enter a national park (say, Yellowstone, or Glacier National Park), without a complying REAL ID or a passport.
So why not just sit on your arse and accept the upcoming REAL ID? The first, and biggest reason, is privacy. Right now, the government keeps track of more than you actually think that they do. If you fly on a plane, they put when, where, and to where in a database. When you get off that plane on go to a hotel, they put the hotel and how long you're staying in a database. And whenever you use your credit card to purchase something, the government can now easily find out what you have purchase; in fact, it was recently admitted that the U.S. government admitted to subpoenaing Amazon.com to find customer book records. So already, the government knows where you travel, where you've stayed, and at any given time, what you buy.
Now consider that under REAL ID, the federal government is going to integrate all the states' (that comply) DMV databases, so soon, not the state government, but the federal government will know what car you drive, your past traffic violations, even whether or not you need glasses. And consider the fact that it is mandatory for all REAL ID-compliant ID cards to have your name, address, a photo, and even your biometrics.
Before, it would be possible to obtain most of this information, but REAL ID makes it trivial. Before, you had to go through all kinds of hoops and ladders to get all of this information, so if you were really looking for a criminal legitimately, you could get the information you needed; but if someone was innocent or you had no evidence that they did anything wrong, it'd be a hell of a lot harder to sift through their life. And though there is an infinite amount of information collected about us in a variety of places -- grocery stores may have a "Fresh Idea" card, you may have a Blockbuster card, and your credit card company may keep records about everything you purchase and where you fly with your reward miles -- all of this is spread out on hundreds or thousands of databases. But as the REAL ID is used for more and more things (it's been proposed that buying alcohol would require a REAL ID, perhaps even renting an R movie will require it. And certainly it could be that applying for a credit card would require a REAL ID), the REAL ID's database of information becomes ever larger, encompassing everything you do, what you buy, where you go, and what you watch and read. And because the federal government will have it, as opposed to just the state government, all of it will be able to be found with a couple pushes of a button by a corrupt DHS official, and they can find out where you live, any traffic violations, what you drive, where you last stayed or are currently staying at, and even your fingerprint.
And the DHS has even hinted at the possibility of expanding the jurisdiction of REAL ID so that you can't buy cold medicines without one. And if you don't have one? You'll have to pay $80+ and wait several weeks for a passport. Imagine that, buying Sudafed and being asked for your passport.
A second important reason to be against it is COST. Complying with REAL ID will cost states over $11 billion over the next five years to comply with. And if they don't comply, they lose federal funding for things such as road construction. Regardless of the outcome, YOU are paying for a meaningless card that doesn't improve security, laughs in the face of privacy, and will cost you a LOT of money.
Even more reasons are:
- Everyone in America will need to apply to get a REAL ID. What about those who don't drive? Or what about those who don't even have or need an ID right now? Well, if they want to do the almost limitless things that you may in the future be required to submit a REAL ID for (buying alcohol has been proposed), you'll have to buy one.
- To get a REAL ID, you need a birth certificate. What about those who don't have birth certificates, those whose were lost, or those whose were destroyed by fires or floods? The act leaves it to ambiguity, now it's the state's problem.
- REAL ID mandates that states have to accept and handle ALL forms of identification that a person may bring in to apply for a REAL ID. That means everything from your birth certificate and passport to utility bills and student IDs. If you needed convincing as to why the REAL ID wouldn't solve security problems, surely, even ignoring the fact that you can just change the picture on the card, this should be enough.
There are almost no defining PROs to the REAL IDs -- only CONs. If you want to read more about it, I recommend this website:
http://realnightmare.org/about/2/ - leorcastillo, on 01/19/2008, -0/+21Actually...you could be the confused one. The DHS Final Rule mandates that a minimum standard of the new Real ID Drivers Licenses and Identifications cards include "...common machine-readable technology". Most critics believe this means an RFID embedded chip in the card. I haven't figured out if RFID is said technology [I'm reading the PDF from the DHS now http://www.dhs.gov/xprevprot/laws/gc_1172765386179 ... but I will tell you one thing..."RFID" is included in their Glossary of terms used in the document. Scary ***** man!
- jftitan, on 01/19/2008, -1/+22I'll type it here and now... I too will never accept National IDs
- ksong12, on 01/19/2008, -3/+23Wow, reminds me of history class...... American Revolution......... states rebel.... Union punishes..... then they left the Union.
- flickboy, on 01/19/2008, -1/+21Because the government has the power to imprison you for the rest of your life or kill you, take you away from your spouse and children, kick you out of the country, or do other nasty things that credit card companies can't do.
- spyd3rweb, on 01/19/2008, -2/+22Its the database that goes along with it, and the fact that this id will be required to do X, Y and Z.
- MasterThief117, on 01/19/2008, -2/+21I am really fed up with The Fed.
- Schneckehaus, on 01/19/2008, -2/+20I hope Cali is part of this fight, I refuse to get one under any circumstance. I'll get deported first.
- forgiste, on 01/19/2008, -1/+19So basically we're going to have rebel states again? A new confederacy?
- Daedalus81, on 01/19/2008, -1/+19"having another national ID"
Another? We don't have one right now. And last I checked I don't do anything that requires the Feds track me. - inactive, on 01/19/2008, -3/+21This is actually a good thing. Refuse the Real ID, and stop paying federal income tax.
- storm72, on 01/19/2008, -0/+17I always thought the brand of conservatism in Montana had more of a libertarian bent than the social conservatism found elsewhere in the country.
- InorganicMatter, on 01/19/2008, -1/+18If only an entire state would pull themselves together and say "NO!" to something like income tax...
- Pebcak, on 01/19/2008, -0/+17If you want to give the government that information, that should be up to the individual. No one should be forced to comply with this. And certainly not at the expense of the states.
- fractalman, on 01/19/2008, -10/+27Ghost is confused. Ghost means RFID (radio frequency ID). People really should know what they're talking about before posting. Dugg down for blatant stupidity.
- TheIguana, on 01/19/2008, -1/+17Oh the acronym DHS is so going down in history as a monolithic people crushing entity. In the same way KGB, CIA and NSA have all gone.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 01/19/2008, -2/+18FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!
- osbjmg, on 01/19/2008, -1/+17What's the worst that could happen? You eventually become your own country? Let's do this! I am 100% behind states rights, I'm tired of this federal government getting it's hands on every piece of our lives. You do not own us, you simply provide inter-state trade and the post office.
- theelectricafro, on 01/19/2008, -3/+19"You are part of the rebel alliance".....I think i have heard this before somewhere.
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