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- SheilaNoya, on 01/21/2009, -2/+107This is good news. I'm glad they were found AFTER Bush lost the ability to issue pardons.
I hope someone actually sets up a team to review the 14 million emails. That's quite a monumental task. - peheimbach, on 01/21/2009, -4/+84FTA --
"Meredith Fuchs, counsel for the other plaintiff, a historical group known as the National Security Archive, said the Justice Department's statement was "striking" because the admission that 14 million e-mails had to be recovered showed "the level of mismanagement at the White House" of its historically significant records. She said, "For the past year and a half, they said, 'Don't worry, don't worry, leave us alone.' Now they say, at the last minute, they have solved it. I want to see the evidence."
-- end FTA
For the record, $10 million isn't an outrageous cost for a recovery like this, IMHO. (I've done data recovery in my job as MIS, and it's mostly TIME. 60,000 tapes is a LOT of tapes to go through, and then cross-index.) But the fact that they were from a specific time period, and there were so many ... I'd like to see if this violated SOX, or any of the other acts I have to follow for eMail retention ...
And giving *any* of 3000 White House employees access to eMail archives? No. Sloppy. Bad IT. Bad. - inactive, on 01/21/2009, -3/+62That's how Cheney threw his back out. He hasn't done heavy lifting in 8 years, all of a sudden the VP's (ex-hole VP) moving boxes- as if...
- mediablitz, on 01/21/2009, -3/+41I will wait until these emails have actually been sorted through, before I believe there was some last minute surprise discovery.
- JenniferInMO, on 01/22/2009, -4/+36There are still many missing e-mails.
This is indicative of the Bush/Cheney Administration. They hide, then bury then deny, then lie, then delay, etc. All of this costs us money, and allows them to get away with murder (literally). And this is just one little case. - seltaeb4, on 01/22/2009, -4/+34And there's still the matter of Karl Rove's "GWB43" domain, which was used to keep stuff hidden from archivists.
Curious thing—the IT guy who set up and maintained this extra-Constitutional system, Mike Connell, was killed in a plane wreck on December 19, 2008. He'd been subpoenaed six weeks earlier to testify about his role in vote fraud and tampering during the 2004 election in Ohio. - eco57, on 01/22/2009, -3/+32FTA: Her remarks prompted Anne Weisman, the counsel for one of two plaintiffs in the lawsuit, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), to say, "I'll believe it when I see it."
Amen to that! - maxtangent, on 01/22/2009, -2/+31Any guarantee they haven't been tampered with (re-written to protect the guilty)?
- inactive, on 01/22/2009, -1/+2614 million emails, isn't it? That's about $0.71 each. No more speed-reading for you.
- beemer, on 01/22/2009, -5/+27These emails weren't lost; they were deliberately hidden to obstruct justice.
And Cheney didn't throw his back out (the man hasn't done an honest day's work in his life); he just refused to stand up when Obama was inaugurated. - shupy, on 01/22/2009, -2/+22Yeah, I'll believe it when we see it. They've had plenty of time to scrub them.
- SheilaNoya, on 01/22/2009, -0/+19True, but also look who we're talking about. The incompetent morons in the Bush administration didn't know squat about technology.
There could be duplicates of files that they didn't even know existed. Things in cyber-space rarely disappear completely and the Bush goons weren't exactly known for ever doing anything correctly. - jhbarr, on 01/22/2009, -1/+19Alberto Gonzales better watch out. FTA:
"Another judge turned aside White House objections to handing copies to aides of President-elect Barack Obama of documents related to the controversial firings of U.S. prosecutors in 2006, which Congress has demanded to see. " - MediaWeasel, on 01/21/2009, -11/+28"Oh you mean THESE 14 million emails stuffed in a trunk ... well why didn't you say .."
Now why does that remind me of "Oh you mean THESE hundreds of votes stuffed in a trunk ... " - Insightful, on 01/22/2009, -1/+18I thought Cheney threw his back while moving a body (or two)?
- Alheithinn, on 01/21/2009, -3/+20Imagine my surprise.
- JenniferInMO, on 01/22/2009, -3/+20Actually, the alleged votes in the trunk of a car story in MN was not true, but in the case of the Bush Administration it is just the tip of the iceberg.
- skaag, on 01/22/2009, -1/+17Now wait a second, wasn't there a digg just now on that whistelblower who said the NSA spied on EVERYBODY?
Shouldn't they then have all of those emails as well? :-) - shupy, on 01/22/2009, -0/+14Good speed-reading comeback.
It is appalling that the Whitehouse would have such sloppy IT security. Good grief, even moderate size businesses have better practices for email. - lostlyrics, on 01/22/2009, -0/+12oh our sweet republicans spent 30 millions on their bc-bj
investigations compared to 3 millions for the 9/11 "report". - inactive, on 01/22/2009, -0/+12Now they need to plug it into a web server and Google will do the rest.
- theNazz, on 01/22/2009, -0/+11As long as they did not follow DOD standards (and I doubt they did) for drive scrubbing, that data should be recoverable.
- homercles337, on 01/22/2009, -2/+12D'oh! Thats a lot of decimal errors. I feel so ***** stupid.
- peheimbach, on 01/22/2009, -1/+11Obviously I'm unfamiliar with the nuts-and-bolts particulars of the White House system. However, even on a standard system like Outlook, there are "checksums" within eMail that make it evident that an eMail has been tampered with. (Several lawsuits hinged on this years ago before people decided to stop fooling with them out in civilian space.)
[Checksum: similar example would be that all of the digits in your credit card(s) add up (with a given algorithm) to a particular digit -- usually the last -- of that number.]
You'd have to be absolutely perfect in changing entire changes (think about people "quoting", etc, carbon-copying, BLIND carbon-copying, etc) and get every one. The challenge of that would be hard to surmount without entire departments being involved. Not that it isn't possible, but I'd say (professionally) that tampering is extremely IMPROBABLE.
Especially since the probability is that if the White House *didn't* use off-the-shelf software, then it probably built an even more secure system. - sarahlee, on 01/22/2009, -2/+12Related:
http://digg.com/politics/Obama_limits_Bush_s_abili ... - rxbudian, on 01/23/2009, -0/+9"phew.... Managed to alter 14 million emails to hide the conspiracy..."
- samcrut, on 01/23/2009, -0/+9I'd wager a team has spent the past 4 years generating innocuous emails to fill in the blanks left where they deleted all the real emails. I hope a forensic data specialist goes through those drives with a fine tooth comb.
- sizzzzlerz, on 01/22/2009, -2/+11They were never lost. They simply were filed in Cheney's dark, stair-less cellar in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the leopard".
- facttech, on 01/22/2009, -1/+9FTA (last line): "Once the e-mails are transferred to the National Archives, federal law allows them to be requested under the Freedom of Information Act after a five-year interval."
So now it's case closed for 5 years? Hope they don't get "lost" again by then. - rahamm, on 01/22/2009, -1/+8Ummmmm I don;t know let's get ride of those 20 (story made up by Republicans) votes. ohhhhh FRANKEN STILL WINS.
- crackwassist, on 01/22/2009, -2/+9That's Fuched.
- kd1s, on 01/23/2009, -0/+7In one job we determined that tape was just getting too unwieldy for us to manage properly. We're talking 70+ servers.
So we created an Rsnapshot server. It did hourly, daily, weekly and monthly backups and restoring things was a snap.
And once a month we'd snapshot the entire backup onto external drives and then transport and store them at the archives.
Administration and our I.T. director regularly had to ask why we weren't doing tape rotation.
There are some stunningly stupid people in the political arena, let me tell you that. - WaldoX, on 01/22/2009, -0/+6i wouldnt be surprised if the NSA has a copy of the emails... they have a copy of every email on the internets... :P
- PrettyBoyFloyd, on 01/22/2009, -0/+6Of course this violated SOX. Then again, remember that only private businesses are subject to Sarbanes-Oxley regulations. All government agencies are *exempt* from SOX. If the federal government (and for that matter, the Federal Reserve) were subject to SOX, then we could never have passed any of the bailout bills (TARP, etc.), as their lack of oversight provisions would also have violated SOX. Isn't that convenient?
- smartj, on 01/22/2009, -3/+9There are very clear laws about corporate document retention. If you're a corporation and you delete emails that are under subpoena, your ass goes to jail.
Contrast that with the RNC and the Bush admin. There are obviously document retention laws much harsher than that which corporations are under. Why is noone in jail for violating that law alone, even if it was an "accident" as they claim? - wishninja, on 01/22/2009, -2/+8A striking level of mismanagement for the Bush Adminstration is morally a step up from level they are at now. (which is criminal negligence or misconduct)
- eatsushi, on 01/22/2009, -1/+7These days just keep getting better and better!
- publiclurker, on 01/23/2009, -0/+5Those are still stored in the man size safes.
- maxtangent, on 01/22/2009, -0/+5Thanks for the info and I agree that it is improbable - but I don't put much passed the criminal elements in the government.
They really only need to control any that point to someone other than whoever their fall guy will be. If there are millions to deal with then that should prove impossible unless, as you say, they have entire departments involved, which is possible even if improbable.
It will be really interesting to see if they were incompetent enough to not cover themselves sufficiently but I have a feeling that is too much to hope for.. - shitton, on 01/22/2009, -0/+4I don't know anything about the Freedom of Information Act, but FTA it sounds like in 5 years, that team could be the American public. :-\
- Grumps, on 01/22/2009, -3/+7To: Cheney
From: Bush
Message: Dammit Cheney! Where are those fake WMD satellite images I told you to fabricate when I took office? We need to start Iraq invasion ASAP!
To: Bush
From: Cheney
Message: Hey George! You're not getting hand on those until I get the tax cuts you promised! - Feyr, on 01/22/2009, -1/+5there might be a checksum in the outlook data file, to prevent corruption, but it's certainly not a "secure" one,
even if it was, it would be useless: you'd need a digital signature, not a checksum.
and in any case, the email message itself as seen from the server (and where the backup is most likely made) has no such checksum or any other verification mechanism - inactive, on 01/23/2009, -0/+4That may happen, I don't know. But wanting Bush to actually comply with a plainly written law regarding these emails is hardly "obsessing." It's asking for compliance with the law. If Republicans want to be on the giving end of that stick, they need to get used to the taking-end of it, too. One standard.
- jprattnu, on 01/23/2009, -1/+5As a seasoned IT admin and storage-person who works with terabytes daily, this article does not read correctly... something is not right here.
- urbanbluest, on 01/23/2009, -1/+5Thanks goodness all your points can now be written in past tense ;-)
- publiclurker, on 01/23/2009, -2/+6We'll consider it after his sentencing.
- macgyver1, on 01/23/2009, -2/+6Scandalous enough to require the hiding of 14 million emails... thought to be unrecoverable..
Someone has something to hide... I wonder what. - yukonblack, on 01/23/2009, -1/+4They traced it back to 127.0.0.1
- pnunn, on 01/22/2009, -1/+4A leopard? Did the hellhound die or did Cheney eat it?
- jii731, on 01/23/2009, -1/+4If you do not punish people for committing what the US Supreme Court sees as the "Supreme Crimes Against Humanity," then why punish for anything less, such as a conspiracy to aid their perpetration that killed a measly few thousand people? Or the bioterrorist anthrax attacks that were clearly a CIA job. No foreigners involved in the anthrax attacks, only extreme-patriots and Neocons. And the case is closed now, despite clear proof of other perpetrators being involved.
If Bush and Cheney walk, USA will de facto be nothing more than an anarchy of rich men, for the rich have no need to follow any laws. -
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