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- novenator, on 11/09/2008, -18/+148In a real democracy, *every* vote should be counted. Learning from the shady tactics of rove and bush, coleman is following in the footsteps of his puppet masters, trying to suppress votes being counted. How typical of the republicans. Coleman even tried to declare victory already and continues to try to pressure Franken not to pursue a recount, even though it is Minnesota state law that it take place.
- KenLark, on 11/09/2008, -18/+97Would so love to see Franken in the Senate!
- Echota, on 01/05/2009, -5/+75Count EVERY Vote!!
- Raisedshoulder, on 11/09/2008, -17/+73I just want to see Franken being a smart ass to everyone in the senate.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -3/+30Do we really need five question marks after a single sentence?????
- samcrut, on 11/10/2008, -4/+25Hey *****. The vote tally was almost even. The LAW says they have to do a recount. Typical republican strategy. Throw the law books out the window when they get inconvenient.
- bwarne, on 11/10/2008, -5/+26I'm from Hennepin County and I went to a lot of effort acquire my absentee ballot and have it witnessed by another Minnesota voter. Win or lose, please realize that Coleman tried to block my right to vote as a desperate move to keep the majority count.
- smacksaw, on 11/09/2008, -27/+48They need to have a run-off. When you have suspicious votes - and I don't care who they are for - you can't count them, yet you cannot deny people their vote.
This is partisanship at it's finest. If Franken were ahead and Coleman had a bunch of "found" ballots that were not properly handled and whose integrity is in question, HP and Democrats would not even dare mention it. Yet because it swings this way, the Republicans are going to raise holy hell over this.
In Florida, it was a scam in 2000. We can't know for sure who won. But it went the GOP's way. And then a few years later, a Democrat in my state recounted the ballots until she won. And she is now our governor. Again. And she sucks the way Bush sucks.
So what is the lesson here? People who benefit from shady vote recounts usually suck. To make sure you get the person who contains less suck, there needs to be a re-vote and have it done right.
Finally, having lived in Canada, they have Elections Canada which I like a lot. One federal gov't branch that handles all voting. It is smooth as can be in Canada. I cannot believe in the USA we actually elect partisan Republicans and Democrats to oversee our elections. We buy that crap? Seriously, with a straight face we can say there's nothing suspicious about that? In Canada all voting runs the same, runs smoothly. People need picture IDs to vote. It's a far better system. There's no hanging chads, butterfly ballots - none of that. Just uniformity and the best possible chance at accuracy. - jlearn48, on 11/09/2008, -8/+28You have to dig a bit to get to a story from a non-partisan news source:
from CNN archives http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/11/24/election.le ...
"Republicans are asking the court to count overseas military ballots even if they bear an illegible, late or U.S. postmark, or lack a handwritten date, and even if the county can't locate the request for the absentee ballot or the signatures on the application and actual ballot don't match exactly."
So it appears that the Republicans wanted one set of rules to apply to overseas military ballots and another set to apply to all other absentee ballots. Is this correct? So, a commanding officer could sign an absentee ballot for his troops and it would still have been allowable?
I don't know the full details about the Hennepin Co. ballots, but my belief is that an identical set of rules ought to apply to all absentee ballots regardless of their source. - Bloodwine, on 11/10/2008, -7/+26you really want a filibuster-proof party in government? Democrat or Republican, that would be downright scary.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -2/+20The race was so close a recount was mandated by state law, Franken didn't ask for it. It would have been the same if Franken had been leading by the same slim margin, partisanship had nothing to do with it.
- unitedkronos, on 11/10/2008, -1/+19I never quite understood why some politicians try to invalidate absentee votes, just because they were either at work, on holiday, in hospital or fighting in Iraq means that their vote shouldn't count? Sheesh, go back to voting with pen, paper, voice and brail, very little can ***** up with that.
- nosecohn, on 11/09/2008, -6/+23I don't see anything in the article you referenced to support your claim that "Democrat election officials" were the ones discarding the ballots. I also don't see anything to support your original contention that Al Gore filed suit in this matter. In fact, another article on the topic claims that the Bush campaign is the one that filed the suit and "The Gore campaign was not named in the lawsuit and did not send attorneys to the hearing."
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -5/+21It would great to see somebody being intentionally funny for a change
- ahjkl67435, on 11/09/2008, -12/+28hopefully, another step closer to a fillibuster proof majority for the dems
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+15Wait, you mean Ted Stevens isn't intentionally funny?
- jlearn48, on 11/09/2008, -4/+19Smacksaw:
"And then a few years later, a Democrat in my state recounted the ballots until she won. And she is now our governor. Again. And she sucks the way Bush sucks."
Apparently you are discussing the re-elected governor of Washington, Gregoire. All of the recounts in the first Rossi/Gregoire election were legal and upheld in court following an appeal by the GOP. And I think the judge who upheld the recount process was a Republican, right? I am pretty sure that you are aware of these facts, but in case other Diggers want to learn more here is a good place to start: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/227307_judgeru ... - nosecohn, on 11/09/2008, -7/+22Al Gore went filed suit to get military absentee ballots excluded in Florida? That's news to me. Do you have a source?
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -19/+34Why do republicans wish to disenfranchise the will of the people?
- BrandonEagan, on 11/10/2008, -7/+21You seem to ignore that these "votes" are absentee ballots that a Democratic election official "found" in a car after election day, claiming they had been hanging out there while the car was god knows where. It's a bit suspicious, and Coleman was probably in his rights to have a judge look at whether or not these "after the election" votes should be counted. Democrats are just as capable of and likely to cheat as Republicans, so oversight is just part of the process!
FYI, I did not vote for Coleman. I just think the recount needs to be conducted fairly! - timidlikerivers, on 11/10/2008, -10/+24What this article doesn't tell you is that the ballots were left in someones car. Coleman is trying to keep them from being counted until their integrity can be confirmed. Don't label this as a "republican pig disenfranchising the common man" just yet.
- theloofa, on 11/09/2008, -2/+16Yeah, but that's a terrible reason to vote for someone
(that said, I still voted for him) - snotrokit, on 11/10/2008, -20/+33yes. yes we do.
- Kotelic, on 11/10/2008, -2/+15timidlikeriers has it exactly right. Sure, it would be nice if every vote were counted. However, you cannot count the votes whose legality is in question.
- JenniferInMO, on 11/09/2008, -4/+16It is an opinion piece based on another article. You bury opinions?
- drex8, on 11/10/2008, -5/+17I still can't understand how Michelle Bachmann got re-elected. After all that garbage she spewed out. And now she's singing a totally different tune.
- itsbob, on 11/10/2008, -0/+12Or better yet, someone who is intelligent and funny.
- SupaNeo, on 11/10/2008, -0/+12I am definitely for all votes being counted. As a military member from Minnesota, I was appalled at the last election. There was all the hype about "every vote counts" so I made sure that I voted. Unfortunately I was doing some temporary duty at the time in Texas so I sent in an absentee ballot. Later I learned that if there is say a 15,000 vote different between the two candidates, and they receive 5,000 absentee ballots, they won't even count them because it's not enough to change the vote. How am I supposed to feel that my vote counts if it is literally not being counted?!?
It is my right as an American to vote and to have my vote counted. If all the votes are counted right from the beginning, we wouldn't have so many issues. Count my vote, plain and simple.
If you know your history, Minnesota was actually the first state to allow absentee ballots during the civil war. It's been a very long time since then, and we still can't get it right. - ADVIZR, on 11/10/2008, -11/+22I can only hope that Franken wins. I've been watching this race closely. From all reports, it looks like Franken will be the clear winner once all votes are *actually counted.* Of course, Coleman had to be an ***** and say Franken should concede without a recount, because he knows he's in deep ***** if all the votes are counted fairly.
Franken has a huge heart, is extremely bright, and wants to clean up Minnesota from Coleman's dirty ways. He'd bring a couple jokes to the Congress to boot, which would make C-SPAN more fun. There are few people left who are as all-around capable and committed as Franken.
Minnesota is lucky (if he wins). - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -11/+22There is something fishy going on when 80% of "newly discovered" votes are tilting toward Franken. I call BS.
- paigeinphilly, on 11/10/2008, -11/+22Do we really need you commenting on digg?
umm..probably not. - snotrokit, on 11/10/2008, -0/+10actually Ventura was FAR from irrelevant during his governorship, and prior to that, as mayor of Bloomington. He did quite a bit while in office. Today, not so much.
- JenniferInMO, on 11/09/2008, -1/+11Apparently, a run-off isn't the authorized by state law. Each state has provisions for close elections. In GA they provide for a run-off. In MN they process is an automatic recount. They couldn't just chose to have a run-off if they wanted to.
- JigoroKano, on 11/09/2008, -7/+16Norm Coleman is a horrible senator, one of the worst. He's a pro-war, pro-bailout neocon.
- supferrets, on 11/10/2008, -5/+14Norm Coleman is a ***** terrible Senator. He was only elected because the Democratic candidate, Paul Wellstone, died in a plane crash a few years ago before the election. Paul and Al were good friends, too, so I bet Al really wants to win this.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+9Seriously - goddamn dumb ***** coming in here to shoot their mouths off when they don't even know Minnesota law. It's not simply that Franken's making a big stink about losing - a recount is required by law.
- ahjkl67435, on 11/10/2008, -2/+11Not all the votes were counted.
Ass hole. - quarkie, on 11/10/2008, -0/+9The election recount in florida was stopped by the supreme court.
Just saying..... - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -5/+14Your user name speaks volumes.
Actually, okay, I admit, we don't NEED him, but it'd sure be great. - heystoopid, on 11/09/2008, -7/+15Most curious , which rock have you been hiding under since 2002 or chose to ignore the investigation into a variety of questionable monetary kickbacks that Norm and a few fellow republican senators have enjoyed under the Bushwhacker 2 family corruption regime of the past eight years.
Perhaps you missed George Galloway totally reaming Norm's rectum in 2006 on youtube over his failed libel and slander from behind the cover of a Senate stage managed propaganda hearing ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3VHAco8y18
Perhaps you also glossed over his $600 a month rental agreement on a million dollar home in Washington DC ,
yes who indeed does Norm work for ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bDi3jVCX1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4RfT7J0_5Y&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhnvcuOOXyM&NR=1
Oops , what were saying about oil slick Norm again ? - helenkupo, on 11/10/2008, -2/+10Do we really need Norm Colman?
- Gephoria, on 11/10/2008, -2/+10i voted franken ftw!
- jonnyboy88, on 11/10/2008, -1/+8Have you never left the Twin Cities?
- aks123, on 11/10/2008, -3/+10Franken should be in the senate because he's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -26/+33You may want to think it's "typical of the Republicans," but AlGore did the exact same thing to military absentees in Florida, and he did it for the most UNdemocratic reason of all. He knew most of 'em weren't gonna vote for him. (And before I'm accused of being a partisan Republican by idiots who don't do much thinking, research what I've said on this site -- I'm a libertarian who just happens to call 'em like I see 'em, and that upsets a lot of Republicans when they're biased & sounding idiotic, too!)
- EatSleepJeep, on 11/10/2008, -3/+10According to the republicans denying a measure an "up or down vote" is a subversion of democracy. How soon we forget the judge votes...
- osukelm, on 11/10/2008, -2/+9He is crazy, but then again, isnt everyone in Washington? I wouldn't mind seeing how it would play out.
- applepro, on 11/09/2008, -6/+13Republicans have a history of voter suppression. In the last few Presidential elections and as recently as in Florida where they purposefully tried to suppress the hours and scheduling to reduce turnout. I agree with a run-off but please, don't make it sound like this a huge partisan bias of some sort.
Also, Coleman has shown himself to be sketchy suggesting very odd measures against Franken in the last week concerning the votes. - supferrets, on 11/10/2008, -5/+12Comment whining about HuffPo = buried.
- gwinerreniwg, on 11/10/2008, -2/+8It appears that at least 49% of Minnesota voters disagree with that.
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