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- revenge7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+208Rude people can't be president.
Ignorant people, on the other hand... - jdog2050, on 10/12/2007, -7/+198I know that this wasn't a scientific poll, but this is ridiculous. An American, standing up for what he believes in, pointing out the obvious sham that is politics today, and actually, god-forbid, making politics dynamic and interesting, can't even be included on a ***** poll? This is the state of American politics and media folks.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+67"Chavez just nationalized the oil i guess thats the kind of president you want what you want here"
DERRR ME REPUBLICAN ME HATE HUGO CHAVEZ - gooddaysunshine, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56alright that was kind of reactionary. let me put it like this -
msnbc is owned by General Electric.
Total Defense Contracts, 1998-2003: $10,600,007,101
http://www.publici.org/pns/db.aspx?act=cinfo&coid=001367960 - shadowrox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53What a bunch of crap. God forbid someone actually tell the truth up there.
- Califax9898, on 10/12/2007, -5/+48Presidential Elections are not a game!
Regardless of what party you belong to or what your stance on the issues are, He is a multi-term former US Senator that has more qualifications than 1/2 of the other candidates. He may be bat-***** insane and have a small chance at victory in '08, but to exclude him from a poll because he was RUDE!?!
The culture of Red Team Vs Blue Team on important national decisions and issues that effect the well being of 250 million Americans must come to an end.
We as Americans deserve and demand better. - CaptShmo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+45This works in his favor, i think.
Being included in MSNBC Poll? seems to be worth very little...
Word spreading that you were excluded because you were basically AWESOME... priceless - TomRitchford, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Here's what I sent to them:
To: letters@msnbc.com
"(We're not ranking Mike Gravel... This guy's not just a third-tier longshot, he might be a little, um, off. Seriously, he was downright rude. Why should anyone agree to appear on stage with him? And why should any mainstream Democratic group invite him?)"
Are you seriously telling me that you did eliminated a candidate from your ranking *because he was rude*?
Your role is to *report the news* -- not to be hospitality director or censor.
The worst is that for me and for thousands of people who'd never heard of Gravel before, *he* was the only interesting part of the debates.
Has it occurred to you that millions of Americans have seen the WTC being destroyed, watched New Orleans destroyed, watched countless lives and a trillion dollars be pissed away in Iraq, and watched our politicians -- and our media! -- remain silent and do nothing for six years? Has it occurred to you that we might be rather angry at our governments and media for their dishonesty and incompetence, might be wanting to ask a few rude questions *just like Senator Gravel did*?
This is one of the most arrogant things I've ever seen. I'll certainly never think of taking you seriously as a news source again.
You should be completely ashamed of yourselves. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Feedback for the ***** that wrote the story: http://nationaljournal.com/help/feedback.htm
Feedback for the ***** that ran the story: letters@msnbc.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+35DIGGERS! Wake up and go nuts! Our country is turning into *****! Why were those thousands of stories yesterday about HD-DVD and not about the corrupt American government?
- dcmjzero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31sadly, he has no chance of winning. he has as much a chance of winning as a libertarian (and i am a libertarian). anyone who is not nice to their corporate donors will not have a voice.
- Malarie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Dear americans, your leaders are corrupt to the core. Wait.. mine too.
-Canadian. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -14/+40Yeah, well, it's considered rude to come into someone's house and criticize them. MSNBC is part of the military/media industrial complex, so they probably just took it personally. Happens all the time...
MSNBC, btw, if we ever get a real president, you will be the first to be divested. How the hell did you get to host a debate anyway? Isn't that for networks that have ratings? - bazer1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25For all you saying this guy is crazy and rude, please go do some basic research first.. He has basically been ignored by the media for a full year since starting his campaign and now he wanted to make an impact. He seems very intelligent and appears to have a deep knowledge of how things really work, and he's not afraid to speak out! This guy has got some real balls.
I recommend you to watch this interview with him, where he speaks of what he want to do as a president:
Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=syvKOYiIOvs
Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahabyIXtHOE
Part 3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tywqKnOOm58
Part 4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7JvHISDYeiI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel_presidential_campaign%2C_2008
"Although Gravel's campaign was little-noticed by the national media at its outset he campaigned almost full time in New Hampshire, the first primary state, proceeding after his announcement. He has garnered broader awareness and interest through his occasional television appearances, netroots campaigning, and participation in Party forums (such as the Democratic Presidential Candidates Forum and DNC Winter Conference).
He has become known, chiefly among Democrats and independent voters, for his statements of radical commitment to issues ranging from nuclear disarmament, citizen-initiated lawmaking, gay marriage recognition, and the lifting of discrimination against gays in the military - to the reorganization of the tax and social security systems in the United States and the immediate cessation of US military involvement in Iraq."
I really hope you choose the best president available, your country is quickly being overrun by the rest of the world and imho you need to open your eyes soon.
Greets
Sebastian from Sweden - PhantomBantam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26While I'm not a Gravel fan, I love the idea of a candidate who actually seems to care. I'm starting to think Bush got elected purely because he has a personality. Think about it.
Futurama says it better than I can: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4X78FxMkKUI - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28B-b-b-but Chavez...
WTF does Chavez have to do with anything? And why am I getting dugg down? I was being sarcastic as usual... - nick415, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23hmmmm, why would MSNBC smear and try to discredit a presidential candidate who warns about the military industrial complex? (GE's weapons contracts,perhaps?)
http://www.digg.com/videos/comedy/Conspiracy_Theory_Mediaopoly_Censored_by_NBC_off_SNL
freedom of speech means the spectrum of acceptable ideas to giant news corporations like NBC. Eisenhower warned about the growing strength of the military-industrial complex when we left office oh so many years ago. Gravel doesn't fit the mold, so he is marginalized to the point where he is characterized as a nut job.
Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky is an interesting look on how the corporate media act as the bludgeon of a democracy against dissent. Check it out - BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+32On the same MSN page there is a ranking for the upcoming Republican debate. Let's see whether our opinion counts for anything, or of it's just a flashy BS chart depicting candidates' election budgets. Go vote for your candidate.
If you vote Ron Paul, digg me up, if for somebody else, vote me down. That way we can roughly keep track of stats and compare them to the MSNBC poll.
Right now the stats are as follows:
Brownback: 10%
Gilmore 4%
Juliani 40%
Huckabee 15%
Hunter 8%
McCain 30%
Ron Paul 8%
Romney 28%
Tancredo 10%
Thompson 11% - swrostmore, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21right on, theres a reason nobody ***** with the military/industrial complex.
- Tryptomine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20No surprise to me, Gravel is a rude, loud, angry ***** with good ideas and the forceful personality to express those ideas and do/say what everyone else is too scared to. And thats exactly why I'd vote for him.
- ummagummas08, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think the difference there is that he was wayyy too intense about things that weren't real issues. From what I remember when I watched it, it was like 'WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE STATES MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!'
More like an evil scientist with a plot to rule the world than a president if you ask me. - babayada, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12My reply:
In your article, White House 2008 rankings: The Democrats, featured on the MSNBC website, you state that you did not include Mike Gravel in your poll because he was "off" and "rude." I suppose that this is the polite way of saying that you think he's crazy.
Mike Gravel, if anything, was honest to a fault. Perhaps he was rude. Perhaps you don't agree with his ideas, or consider him crazy. With so much fakery and changing of character and policy based on public opinion, I consider his behavior not just refreshing, but necessary. Are we so used to duplicity in politicians that we have come to consider honesty, straightforwardness, and taking strong positions the same as insanity?
I find your exclusion of him from your poll for these reasons to be extremely glib and irresponsible. You should be ashamed.
If you wish to serve the public and provide accurate information about potential candidates for something as important as the presidency of the United States, you would include all the people in the debate.
I find your behavior in this regard not just rude and off, but an actually irresponsible and immoral. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"Why should anyone agree to appear on stage with him? And why should any mainstream Democratic group invite him?"
Hmmm.. HMMMM...
Perhaps because he is a democratic presidential nominee? Nahhh! Silly me.
"Seriously, he was downright rude."
IT WAS A ***** POLITICAL DEBATE. - orabox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- jdog2050, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You're an idiot. If he was just a nobody, why slam him? They (I.e., msnbc and their puppetmasters) wanted to make Gravel look like a crazy old coot.
- mrlost117, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12you can vote for him here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18300340/
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Lying is okay, being rude and truthful is bad!
- gormenghast, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Article sounds like a ***** livejournal post
"he might be a little, um, off." - mjl5629, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9***** MSNBC!
Now that was rude. - RonPaulPres2008, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Damn the media and politics have ALREADY started conspiring against the only true hearted candidates! We must stand up for Mike Gravel and Ron paul at all costs! They are the only ones for the job and we must make the message clear: We will not let them shun our candidates!!!!!!!!!!!
- gamlidek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Because we were busy posting hexadecimal numbers all night and we're tired of revolting now?
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I like Mike Gravel. He is extremely left... on many issues, but he makes a lot of sense. How the hell was I ever a Republican?
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Let'em know how you feel.
http://nationaljournal.com/help/feedback.htm - AvidPreatorian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I used to think American was about freedoms, but freedom of speech has just been censored by MSNBC. What's next, by their definition of terror and freedom we'll live, by their interpretation of the constitution we will exist. Our rights are drowning with the acts and amendments on our beloved constitution.
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9That's why politically involved companies (see comments above) should not be allowed to operate media channels, it's called a conflict of interest and it is forbidden in all corporations so I don't see why our media gets a free pass.
- Portwineboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Anybody who wants the job of President (or Prime Minister) shouldn't be allowed to have it.
- skaughtm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9if only digg users would revolt the same way over this as they did over the hd-dvd numbers then maybe there would be a splash in the pond. both free speech cases, not?
- bobcobb42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9How is he like Dubya at all? Your analogy fails before it even gets off the ground.
A.) Gravel spoke out at the debate for two reasons, one he was not given as much coverage as the "frontrunners"(those with money), and also because he, like many Americans is sick of the political correct *****. America was once a vibrant nation where people were more than willing to go their own way politically and yell as much as they could. If you have read any history you would know that politics wasn't always a little game where you had to be politically correct and tow the line with a smile.
B.) Dubya is a puppet to his corporate overlords and Jebus who apparently resides in his head. Gravel believes that he is only beholden to one thing, the American people.
C.) NO SUBSTANCE? Do you even know the man's political background? It's a ***** ton better than Dubya's background of running companies into the ground and governorship of Texas. It is also much better than Hilary or Obama's little political careers. Why don't you inform yourself before you make judgement decisions. - hablo4u, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9And mine:
Your April 30th edition of "White House 2008 rankings: The Democrats" which I read at MSNBC.com was ridiculous. The fact you decided not to include Mike Gravel in the poll because he was rude? Are you kidding? This might be "news" to you, but there is a significant amount of buzz surrounding Senator Gravel following his appearance at the debate.
I suggest you rectify this decision, for nothing more than allowing democracy to set its own course. - thirdoffive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I don’t know why you’re being dugg down. It really did look like something from myspace.
“Seriously, he was downright rude.”
WTF?? - floppyparty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@raedix
I agree with you in most cases Raedix. One of the reasons I dislike Bush is because he is not a statesman, or will ever want to be. But in this case, with Gravel, we might need someone with his tenacity, his extravagant behavior, if he really wants to right the wrongs that we have. The first Roosevelt was not a statesman at all. He was in a lame-duck position as vice president (considered a political dead-end during his time) when he assumed the presidency. Now I may not like how he conducted himself, but he almost single handily preserved most of our priceless land, something we now call national parks. He preserved this land the day before congress wanted to earmark it oblivion. I believe Gravel might be a motley savior of our way of life. - Godwhacker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8What does the phrase "nothing is off the table" insinuate? It insinuates that we reserve the right to nuke nations if we feel it is in are interest. Gavel was just pointing that out.
- crypticgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6raedix,
He was un-statesman like? Yes, because Bush is a real statesman. *eyeroll* I think he has every right to be angry, as do all americans. If the democratic candidate isn't angry at the awful direction the current administration has plunged this country into, I certainly won't vote for him/her. - stepnw1f, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Corporate media is privately owned. That's the problem right there. Without a "Fairness Doctrine" corporations get to mold our candidates and they are the ones who decide who we can vote for by limiting a candidates visibility. Welcome to fascism....
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well, too bad for MSNBC. Because the cat is out of the bag. Mike Gravel is here to stay. And people are lining right behind him. They better not piss off the next President of the United States. Mike Gravel for President in 2008! Help spread the good word ... http://www.democratgiftshop.com/mikegravel
- boxmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8He didn't say they were going to nuke anyone, but he did say they were leaving the option on the table. Which they are.
- ccyr85, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15I think rude is just their nice way of saying that he is legitimately crazy. I will get buried for saying this, but its the case. I mean seriously, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton are admittedly a bit hawkish, but does anyone honestly think they are secretly planning to nuke Iran? If Gravel really wants to be included in MSNBC's on-line poll, he should go out there and do some real campaigning and make himself noticed, not just show up at their debates to give his holier than though act.
Having said that, it is nice to see that there are once again front page stories that aren't about that stupid HD-DVD code. Am I the only one that didn't particularly care about that? - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Yes, but sometimes you all hold them accountable. Weren't the Liberals out on a mere $1m misappropriation accusation? Our government has to be slaughtering children barehanded to be held accountable; even then 28% of the public will be supporting it (damn children deserve it!).
- Santabot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Mike Gravel for President! Vote 2008!
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