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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+90Rudy needs to apologize to Paul for his blatant lies.
- obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -6/+79This ain't nothing.
Today I had Fox News on. In the daytime. It was John Gibson's show. For the teaser before the commercial break they said something like when we get back from break we'll figure out how the Republican debate got infiltrated by a "9/11 conspiracy theorist." Then John Gibson proceeded to say that Ron Paul said that the United States "had a hand in 9/11." Then the guest (Michelle Malkin) went with that theme calling Ron Paul a "tin-foil" hat conspiracy theorist.
My jaw was on the floor.
I keep looking for video or transcript of it.
The point is that Fox News completely mischaracterized Paul's words. I know Fox News is bad, but I was disgusted. It was character defamation of the worst sort. - SwordOfShannara, on 10/11/2007, -7/+42Our media are traitors to our country, to each and every one of us. It is crystal clear now. The question is, what are we going to do about it? Cancel your cable and go internet only? I'll tell you one thing, when we watch we feed the beast. Personally I'd like to see some of these reporters show up face down in the river banks.
- AKBryant54, on 10/11/2007, -4/+35Wolf Blitzer is going to ask him about that, expect a response soon... Hopefully.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+41Can't believe I'm digging something from Media Matters --- but their analysis is spot on here. This is exactly what I was thinking last night.
- johndi, on 10/11/2007, -6/+31Rudy's narcissism is showing again. He didn't live through the attack, that suggests he survived it. He arrived at the scene to direct the rescue operation.
- blapierre, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27Rudy McRomney would never debate Ron Paul on foreign policy because he knows he would never be able to win a real intellectual debate. Rudy McRomney does not present arguments based on facts and logic, but rather presents arguments based on political rhetoric and non-substance. When was the last time you heard him bring a single fact into what he says?
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -6/+30w3bsmith, EVERY media matters story uses direct transcripts. they are a media watchdog organization. despite the loud and constant claims of "liberal bias," what they do in every article is provide transcripts and detail the factual errors in said transcripts.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24Ron Paul's statement on the 911 attacks was the same answer the 911 Commission Report gave for the reason why we were attacked on 9/11. The big problem with this Ron v Rudy situation is the question: why didn't Rudy read the 911 Commission Report and the CIA findings on US Foriegn Policy fueling hatred of America?
Shame on Rudy! - obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22Oh wait. Here's a link! Thanks to chicagochris20! It misses the tease in, but this is the (hit) piece I was talking about.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?051607/051607_bs_911debate&Fiery%20Debate&Big_Story&Rudy%20Giuliani%20squares%20off%20with%20Rep.%20Ron%20Paul%20about%209/11%20at%20GOP%20debate&Politics&-1&Fiery%20Debate&Video%20Launch%20Page&News
Hope link does not break. Here is the digg page.
http://digg.com/politics/FOX_News_Does_It_Again_Video_Link
Wotta bunch of douchebags at Fox News! - Gadren, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22The media is trying to keep America stuck in a dream world, where international events and tragedies like 9/11 happen in a vacuum, with no context or reason or cause to them except "They hate us for our freedoms." It's like saying "They hate us because we're beautiful." The media is scared of Ron Paul because he might actually be able to break through and have America realize that there actually is a world out there that isn't like a scene from "24." Foreign policy is deeper than "We are the glorious leaders of the world and others hate us for no reason at all and go to such lengths to attack us because they're jealous."
- jeff303, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18What I find really frustrating about all this... Giuliani is actually the one blaming the American *people* when you think about it, not Ron Paul. Giuliani's claim that they "hate us for who we are" implies we brought this on with our hubris/lifestyle/whatever. Paul claims it was the policies of the administration, not the American people as this article points out.
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -7/+23And what about John Roberts? He's got to be the biggest twit on CNN, outside of Glenn Beck. Is he just stupid, or is he intentionally deceiving his audience?
- ELCad, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18Giuliani uses the threat of violence against us if a strong Republican like him is not elected. Sounds like a terrorist to me.
- gormenghast, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18It's really terrifying how probably 90% of the US does not realize that he's absoutely right and subscribe to the "They attacked us out of jealousy!" stuff =
- sidsarkar, on 10/11/2007, -20/+33Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist Rudy Giuliani = Terrorist
- leontes, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16I'm surprised you aren't a fan of media matters. They usually have the primary source, in context, of the quotation that they have a problem with. They just seem to highlight inconsistencies such as this: do you have any examples of times when media matters has been inaccurate or crossed a believability line?
- daGUY, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15I'm not a Republican AT ALL, but Ron Paul seems like the best candidate out there from either major party. What he said about our intervention in Iraq was spot on, and the fact that even FOX NEWS is trying to distort everything he says is just further proving to me that he's right and they're afraid of him.
- TomWestbrook, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12...and help collect the gold and destroy the crime scene...and tell everyone the air was safe.
- Marijuana, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13The days when Jefferson relied on the free press to promote democracy are over. Corporations have taken over and have made our presidents puppets for profits. I would like a response as to how to inform a mass amount of people. (internet excluded)
- AKBryant54, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Very nice well thought out argument with lots of facts to support your conclusions. Thank you for your insight, hope to hear from you again soon!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Ron Paul statement on the 911 attacks was the same answer the 911 Commission Report gave for the reason why we were attacked on 9/11. The big problem with this Ron v Rudy situation should be: why didn't Rudy read the 911 Commission Report and the CIA findings on US Foriegn Policy fueling hatred of America?
Shame on Rudy! - painted82, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13"Our media are traitors to our country, to each and every one of us. It is crystal clear now. The question is, what are we going to do about it? Cancel your cable and go internet only?"
I did that 3 years ago... My big screen TV is now just a monitor for my computer... well, and for the wii and 360... oh and my oppo dvd player. :P - totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Again, I make fun of the incessant Ron Paul posts here...but damn, the MSM totally is blowing this out of proportion.
And Guilani, stfu already about "take that back, Ron Paul", you are embarrassing yourself. We KNOW you were the point man on 9/11, you did a GREAT job 6 years ago. WE GET IT. - Fhionnlaoch, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12"The point is that Fox News completely mischaracterized Paul's words."
Many people, especially in the media, now only see in black and white.
"You don't want to bomb Iran, you're an Islamist."
We've seen this before
"You don't want to nuke the Ruskies, you're a commie!"
I have to wonder if any generation before this one was any better, probably not. - SwordOfShannara, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Actually the funny thing is Rudy didn't do a good job for 9/11. Rudy chose to put the terrorism emergency response headquarters in the WTC even though it was considered "ground zero" for the next terrorist attack by his own police commissioner. You can imagine how much this hurt us on 9/11. And to add insult to injury he didn't even have a back up emergency headquarters. Nothing. These were his decisions that hurt us on 9/11 yet he behaves like a self proclaimed hero. What a LIE!
- Lowry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10They missed the best slandering of all.
FOX quotes Ron Paul as saying "US had a hand in the government attacks"
You should watch this video. It's sickening.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?051607/051607_bs_911debate&Fiery%20Debate&Big_Story&Rudy%20Giuliani%20squares%20off%20with%20Rep.%20Ron%20Paul%20about%209/11%20at%20GOP%20debate&Politics&-1&Fiery%20Debate&Video%20Launch%20Page&News - Seefate, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9People like you Barbarino amaze me. Just like that your willing to say "Oh well he screwed up too bad lets let our country go to some nut job right / left winger with millions of dollars."
You have to stand up for what you beleive in and many of us beleive in Ron Paul. I personally beleive what he said was correct and shouldn't be misconstrued. Believe MSM and be lead like a sheep if you wish but for what it is worth my vote will go to Ron Paul. Just don't go bitching when Rudy or McCain get elected and suddenly your taxes go up 50% and there is a draft because we suddenly have to attack any country deemed a "threat".
Ron Paul 2008 - anachronoks, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Watch Rudy stutter when questioned about his Fort Dix/Iraq comment on Hannity and Colmes after the debate.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/giuliani-confused-terror/
Notice the only thing this man has done during the campaign is try to stir up fear of future attacks. - jrsims, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Even though the mainstream media is so obviously, fervently trying to knock Ron Paul out of the race, this whole fiasco is getting Ron Paul more attention. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing at this point (because I don't think the game is yet over for this particular issue), but it just might be that kind of thing is what propels Ron closer to nominee status. If he plays his cards right, he might be able to shoe-horn himself into media long enough to get some justice.
And might I add that this has been the most inspiring, refreshing thing I've seen happen in this country for a long, long time!
Go Ron Paul! - Pssdoff, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8obliviousfool ->
"Ron Paul really has no business being on stage as a representative of republicans" - HOW THE HELL IS THIS FAIR OR BALANCED?
all the while there is a spinning icon "BIG OUTRAGE" on the screen with pictures of Ron Paul.
It really pisses me off that millions of people get 100% of their news from Fox News.
They are brainwashing their viewers with lies and Neo-Con garbage.
WHAT THE ***** IS GOING ON? WHY IS THERE NO OUTRAGE?
You can't just spew totally incorrect information to millions of people 24 hours a day and get away with it.
This is incredible that in America there is an attempt to steal a presidential election by broadcasting lies to the public - and not a damn thing is being done to stop it. - JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I'm not a Ron Paul supporter and would be hard pressed to _ever_ vote for a Libertarian.
But these latest issues that have emerged from the GOP debate are very important issues pertaining to the war, our terrible foreign policy, and the sheer delusional ineptitude of the Republican base and the media.
There is allot more here at play that a single person. Ron Paul will likely not win the nomination, but if our next leader really believes that "they hate us because of our freedom", then we are in for some serious trouble. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6 marxbites, Buried for coming up with the longest post evah. Next time try to be a smidge shorter than manifesto length.
- verb0ten, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Funny, and I always thought reporters were supposed to be objective.
The decay of media is now evident and we are speedily heading towards a facist regime... - emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6It's kind of sad that telling the truth is political suicide. Seriously, too many Americans are like freaking children who think their actions don't have consequences.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8did... did that other guy just say (while trying to quote ron paul) "Iraq attacked us because we were attacking Iraq" WTF... iraq didn't cause 9/11 -_-
It seems like most the politicians and media are bent on making us think we are justly attacking other countries... they want to claim it's unamerican to disagree with them.. what ***** is that...
Ron Paul is write, and probably one of the few republicans I'd agree with... Terrorists want to attack us, because of our foreign policies, and our constant interference over the last 10+ years...
If some other country was ***** with my homeland for that long, I'd dam well wanna do something about it too. -_-
It's so dam sad that this country is run by war mongering greedy religious-agenda moral-crusading *****... - smacksaw, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Rudy needs to apologise to the USA for being so unprepared and insulting of our intelligence.
- Demonmonger, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I like how it was the Fox moderator who implied America invited the 9/11 attacks as a setup for Giuliani.
- painted82, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6And yep.... you still prove to do so....
- obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Gormenghast (good name, btw),
How do you know that "no one wants to hear" this?
We heard the thunderous applause from a room full of Giuliani supporters. I'm glad to hear someone finally talk about the permanent bases in Iraq, for example. After 6+ years of Bush's lies and calculated simplifications I think we're all clamoring for some truth. You say no one wants to hear Paul's message, but I think that is the filter of Fox News and the MSM doing its best to muddy everything. I guess what I'm asking is a philosophical question. i.e., given the state of the media, and the distortion of so many messages, how do we know where popular opinion actually lies? - ELCad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Sure there are plenty of Ron Paul post here, but almost never in the MSM. This is the only coverage that the MSM will give Ron Paul. It will be negative or nothing.
Overall the MSM spent more time talking about Fred Thomson today then Ron Paul and he wasn't even at the debate. F u Fred Thomson and your gigantic f---ing head!! - jibbityjab, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I think you mean 50+ years.
- obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5True. You don't want to understand those motivations, and you never will. That is why you are the recipient of a never-ending war. Good luck with that.
- TomWestbrook, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5This is what happens when you have a nation that has been propagandized to for so many years. When the truth slaps them in the face their reaction is to resist. This is a natural instinct. The masses are not used to hearing the truth. Everything that Ron Paul said was true. In no way did he 'stick his foot in his mouth' but many were not prepared for the truth. Once they have time to think about what he has said, it will sink in and they will not be able to dispute it.
- timtimes, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Maybe Ron Paul will pull out a copy of the 9-11 commission report at the next debate? America is clearly antiwar (at least on this bogus Iraq deal). What in the hell is wrong with these candidates? Aren't they trying to WIN an election? Do they honestly think that this war message plays well 10 feet beyond the podium and their hand picked audiences?
I've never seen anything like this before. It's not like they didn't see what happened in 2006!! Their continued warmongering makes no electoral sense.
Enjoy. - pcbdesignexpert, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This one explains very well WHY Giuliani / Fox News attacked Ron Paul.
Fox News' Pro-Giuliani Conflict of Interest
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Fox_News_Pro_Giuliani_Conflict_of_Interest#c6732998
Digg it! - sv7nsson, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I just cannot believe the ignorance of these pundits!
"He did stick his foot in it though when he said that the US intervention is to blame for the 9-11 attacks..."
Are you kidding me?? Have you ever had even a CONVERSATION with ANY INDIVIDUAL from the Arab world?
He may have well said "Yeah, Paul really made an ass out of himself when he suggested that we may have pissed off the extremists by occupying and bombing and overthrowing their countries!!"
It is just so great to see someone who speaks the straightforward truth on TV, who just lets these moron fake baked talking heads really expose their own ignorance! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Dr Ron Paul for 2008!
- PatrickHenry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Something to note....Dr. Paul is trying to state the Government's Foreign Policy since 1945 is one of the root causes of 9/11. The government is not comprised of all the people that live in the united States. Surely not all people support the current Policy of interfering with the governments of other countries.
Let us suppose that China's version of the CIA tried to depose the duly elected president of the united States and put a Chinese puppet in his place? Think you'd be pissed? I would be! Would you blame all of the people of China or just the people involved with the Chinese Government? Yet the Government of the united States has a history of supporting or having a direct hand in doing just that. So who would you think the people of the middle east would blame?
And not to be hypocritical about it, the u.S. military doesn't just select target military targets, well unless Iraq is (think Fallujah here) one huge military target and everyone living there a member of the opposition forces.
On an other note, I would guess (since i can't be sure of the median age of the group that diggs) that most individuals here do not remember Viet Nam. There was a lot of IEDs used there to foment terror. Funny that it took the Iraqi situation to change the tactics VC used for waging war against the u.S. to terrorist acts of random individuals....I consider the use of napalm terrorism myself and the u.S. certainly didn't shy away from using it in Viet Nam.
My 2 cents.
P.H.
Everyone is born stupid, some never grow out of the condition. - death2hypocrisy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4i just created a forum to help out Ron Paul. http://www.ronpaul.x.am or http://www.ronpaul.forumer.com
I also emailed him on what i thought about his clash with jogolani, included a copy of it in the site.
you can email him at
http://www.house.gov/paul/mail/welcome.htm
ps. I have no clue on how to make money off ads, so don't accuse me of spamming or trying to make money of your clicks. I started the forum because I felt that I had to do something. Unfortunately, you need to register to make comments, the ***** site won't let guests make comments.
The site is basically about telling Ron Paul what you would like to hear him say/argue during the debates, assuming he is invited. -
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