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- booksnmore4you, on 11/16/2008, -8/+326Okay. If true, this is criminal, even for a president.
- wakethefockup, on 11/16/2008, -19/+260WE NOW know the truth, let the proceedings begin.
- GrandmaSheila, on 11/16/2008, -4/+208This is treason, and McClellan is an accomplice. Everybody involved in the Executive needs to be brought to account for this, as specified in the Constitution.
" I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors."
George H.W. Bush - Batfishy, on 11/16/2008, -4/+174I just wish people like McClellan wouldn't have waited until their book deals to start telling the truth. That means everyone, including the press. Even if telling the truth would have been a daunting task.
- homercles337, on 11/16/2008, -4/+160Was there really ever any doubt? Sure the Corporate Media tried to obfuscate the facts, but we all knew this decision came from the top. However, i expect the Corporate Media to continue to cloud the waters by putting McClellan into the "disgruntled ex-employee" category.
- inactive, on 11/16/2008, -4/+118Does anyone remember Bush and Cheney making great noise about how they could not release any more information about Hussein's supposed WMDs or his supposed links to Al qaeda because the administration had to protect their undercover assets. I distinctly remember Bush saying that anyone that released information that outed a CIA operative would be tried for treason.
OK, so try Cheney for treason. Go ahead. - Anomaly100, on 11/16/2008, -5/+106He couldn't do the right thing and come out with this when it would have mattered? What is he doing, trolling for book sales here? Well, he has to live with himself, and I'm not going to help him by buying the book he's peddling. It's going to be easy for others to dismiss this since he waited so long-
I guess Bush better expedite those pardons he's most likely signing. - thenekkidtruth, on 11/16/2008, -4/+97The technical name for that is . . treason.
- Berkana, on 11/17/2008, -2/+64This is treason! He should be tried and penalized.
Valerie Plame was working to stop Iran from getting nukes. Even Halliburton was selling nuclear materials to Iran via foreign subsidiaries, in order to skirt the US laws forbidding them from doing so. This whole notion that Bush's power grab has been for protecting us is *****. - riverrunner, on 11/16/2008, -2/+49hello CNN?
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/16/2008, -1/+38What drives me nuts are the reporters who sat on the Palin shenanigans like thinking Africa was a country. Americans deserved to know that kind of information before the election, and they sat on it. Dicks.
- publiclurker, on 11/16/2008, -3/+38I think you would have to declassify it before it was released.
- paintgrl, on 11/17/2008, -1/+28Bush and friends must answer to the law. We are a country of laws and no one is above them.
- PWoT, on 11/17/2008, -4/+31Did he link to the wrong video? This video says Bush authorized the leak of the NIE report, not Plame's identity. They are two separate things.
- novenator, on 11/17/2008, -1/+26This is TREASON! This must be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
- Batfishy, on 11/17/2008, -2/+27I really like C-SPAN Book TV.
- WAAngel, on 11/17/2008, -1/+24I just can't shake the visual of Bush saying, "When we get to the bottom of this, if anyone in MY administration had anything to do with it, they will be gone."( or some other run on sentence to that effect.) It is disheartening to know how often and how badly he lied and got away with it....and probably will get away with it.
- e2superman, on 11/17/2008, -3/+25From someone who has been briefed for DOD clearance...
I am not supporting Bush but part of having a clearance is personal accountability for the classified information you possess. Bush ordering a subordinate to release classified information may be an ethical violation or negligent (and require investigation) but the ultimate "sucker" so to speak is the personal who violated their duties as described by their DOD clearance and released that information. There is a formal procedure and specifically a DOD Classification Guide for that information that they are responsible for consulting before releasing anything and it is up to them to check since they were the ones giving that information out. They are liable for releasing the information. The old adage about "I was just following orders" is not an excuse. - sarahlee, on 11/17/2008, -3/+24He wasn't fired. McClellan quit.
- JenniferInMO, on 11/17/2008, -0/+20@aangel: "... they will be fired." That was the end of that sentence. I had forgotten about that. What he meant to say is "... they will be pardoned."
I think I am desensitized to all that he has done. It has been so much and we have all spent nearly 8 years in a state of outrage. There are never any consequences so here we are. - hillkiwi, on 11/17/2008, -1/+21One law for the rulers, another for the ruled.
- brickbat, on 11/17/2008, -6/+26Who wants a bet that Obama will say that for the good of the country we should "move on" and "get on with the job". There won't be any indictments. W will go down in history as misguided but well-meaning. It makes me sick. We need a clean slate.
- hchdzl, on 11/17/2008, -0/+18That's the longest consecutive string of legible youtube comments I've ever seen.
- torgarman, on 11/16/2008, -8/+26Are you kidding? Are you also undecided about gravity being real?
- Ajajadude, on 11/17/2008, -1/+19Well, I think that's a very, very fine line that he's toeing if that's what he's going to claim. If anyone else did what he did, they'd be charged with treason.
Since there's no other reason other than political motives behind this, I don't see how he can get away with that argument. - JenniferInMO, on 11/16/2008, -6/+24Actually, I think the President has the authority to declassify top secret information. I am no expert in this area, but he may just be able to avoid this one. Cheney and others may not, but of course they will be pardoned.
- JenniferInMO, on 11/17/2008, -0/+18You all bring up good points. I am not defending him, I guess I am just cynical about any hopes of justice on that issue. If he gets charged with anything relating to outing Plame I think he will use the defense that he had the authority to declassify her identity. Do I think that defense will be an afterthought? Yes. Do I think he is guilty? Yes. Do I think he will be brought up on charges? I hope so, but I have doubts.
- KibibyteBrain, on 11/17/2008, -1/+18There is much debate about whether a President can pardon himself. Even if he could, it would be an unprecedented taboo. But there is now sort of an expectation for a future President to pardon a previous one "for the dignity of the office".
- TunaFishGangsta, on 11/17/2008, -2/+18Supposedly, there are a lot of White House insiders who will blab come Jan. 20th.
And yet I'll be surprised if it gets any traction. - oldhick, on 11/17/2008, -0/+16It is. They wouldn't have lied so profusely if they had declassified her position. For instance, she would have been told.
- e2superman, on 11/17/2008, -4/+19It is called presidential pardons... even for yourself. Expect nothing from this to ever occur.
- Mujokan, on 11/17/2008, -2/+17You are correct. McClellan is talking about Libby's testimony in 2006 regarding the NIE. He says this may have also "set in motion the chain of events" or something that then led to the Plame outing. But that is not the same thing.
- swrostmore, on 11/17/2008, -10/+24McClellan is full of *****, he even admits he was out of the loop and had no idea what was going on. Maybe Bush signed off on it, but the actual order, like most everything related to the Iraq war, probably came out of the Office of the Vice President.
- chase001, on 11/17/2008, -4/+18He knew he was lying and the press knew he was lying when he worked for Bush. How noble be became when he had a book to sell.
- countdownmsnbc, on 11/17/2008, -1/+15criminal...especially for a president
- thesnarebear, on 11/17/2008, -0/+13Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT.
Rtfm. - humptyz, on 11/17/2008, -4/+17History is going to remember the Bush years as one of the darkest in its history. Dealing with the country tearing itself apart during the Civil War was bad, getting attacked by a foreign nation during Pearl Harbor of World War II was bad, watching it turn water hoses on its citizens who only want equal rights was bad, having its leaders corrupt the soul of America is terrible. Leaders have lied all throughout history, in this country and others, so that's not new. What makes the Bush years so horrible is that the American people by and large let Bush get away with so much. Previous generations would've tarred and feathered those accountable for the lies, but Bush and his accomplices will probably get away scot-free. It's not only disgusting but also sad.
- duckley, on 11/17/2008, -3/+13Investigate. Prosecute. Convict. IMPRISON.
- JenniferInMO, on 11/17/2008, -0/+10@ OldHick: That's a pretty persuasive point
- TheJimid, on 11/17/2008, -6/+15That is like Willie Nelson high treason.
- Mujokan, on 11/17/2008, -3/+12Bush does have a track record of leaking classified information.
"Libby's participation in that conversation with Miller "occurred only after the vice president advised defendant that the president specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the National Intelligence Estimate," according to the papers filed by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190843,00.html - oldhick, on 11/17/2008, -3/+12Yes, he's guilty.
- Nodaki, on 11/17/2008, -3/+12Amazing someone has a conscience in this administration. Of course a Bushie would only betray his man for his own personal greed.
If he had written a full free report and signed an affidavit swearing to its truth; this man would have more respect. - ren1999, on 11/17/2008, -3/+12Don' let Bush pardon everyone and don't let him escape to Paraguay. Once his activities and those of Cheney and Rove, and everybody else that stayed with the White House are exposed, it is time for them to submit to the law.
- inactive, on 11/17/2008, -0/+9@SpenderH
Absolutely not. She was "operating without cover." This, in essence, means that she is more undercover than undercover. To "operate with cover" means that you are given a black passport by the State Department and ostensibly operate as a "diplomat." This means that if you get picked up in a foreign country, you have diplomatic immunity. This also means that everyone kind of knows that you are a spy to some extent. To "operate without cover" means that the CIA and State Department will both outright deny that you work for them. If you get imprisoned by a foreign country, you are on your own. Mrs. Plame was of the latter case. She worked for a "company" that provided devices that would be necessary to construct nuclear weapons. When she was compromised, that mean that the entire company was compromised. Dozens of agents in "deep cover" were compromised. All of these people were key in ensuring that nuclear weapons did not end up the hands of enemies to our national security, and they were all rendered useless for political ends. - dkistner, on 11/17/2008, -2/+10Forget CNN. Watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann at 8/10 p.m. EST. That's where you'll find out not only what's really going on but be treated to intelligent analysis as well. Then you might want to hang in there for Rachel Maddow at 9 p.m. EST. CNN has been falling down on its job too much lately, competing for those disaffected Fox News viewers....
- KibibyteBrain, on 11/17/2008, -0/+8Even if he has the right to declassify the information, he could still face other charges or responsibilities. Much in the same way the President could legally declassify all our key troop positions in a time of war, but the action could still be treasonous.
- Dumbledorito, on 11/17/2008, -0/+8You mean the ones that don't get pardons?
- inactive, on 11/17/2008, -1/+9WTF are you talking about? Where did you get that nonsense - from the drug addicted nicotine addict draft dodger Rush Limpwrist? Read Valerie Plames book if you want to see what happened. You do read I assume. So many Republicans seem not to be able to, or at a minimum, can read but have so little education that they do not know how to read and interpret and check sources and think critically.
- inactive, on 11/17/2008, -2/+10An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the CIA indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003. The summary says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
Unclassified employment summary, from the court records (pdf): http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/07 ... -
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