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- voxlisa999, on 08/21/2008, -33/+142OK. I am not trying to be alarmist, but doesn't this confirm McCain is NEO-CON in Chief right there with Cheney all the way? Doesn't this disqualify him from running for President? He's cooking up plots to destroy the UN in order to MAKE MORE WARS? Plus, he slipped and said he was reinstating the DRAFT today? McCain wants WORLD WAR III - can't you see that?
- MercyPolitics, on 08/21/2008, -15/+82McCain has been floating the idea of having a ' League of Nations " instead of the UN for a while. It would be sort of a " Coalition of the Willing " that the US has in Iraq in the diplomatic field. McCain just carry on with the neo-con's doctrine. Bolton made incendiary comments towards the UN before he was chosen top US diplomat by Bush.
- wiggles, on 08/21/2008, -23/+80I love Digg.
Ron Paul says he wants to pull out of the UN:
Digg says "YAY!! GO RON PAUL!!! LET'S GET OUT OF ALL THOSE NASTY FORIEGN ENTANGLEMENTS!!!!"
John McCain says he wants to pull out of the UN:
Digg says "THIS PROVES MCCAIN IS A NEOCON WHO WANTS TO TAKE OVER TEH WORLD!!!!!one!!!11!" - voxlisa999, on 08/21/2008, -24/+78Yes, Bolton was an attempt to delegitimize the UN as they knew he hated it. How horrible. We had a "League of Nations" after WWI that Woodrow Wilson started and it fell apart- wasn't strong enough b/c US wasn't fully behind it. President Wilson said if this doesn't succeed we will have another "GREAT WAR" and he was right- we did. The world needs the UN - unless you're a WARMONGER like McCain/Bush/Cheney. McCain even said he wants Cheney in his cabinet!
- naturans, on 08/21/2008, -23/+70This is bad, very bad.....A year ago I might have voted for McCain over Hillary. Thank god we are finding out how base his sensibilities really are, after years of being the "media darling" that duped so many of us. My own bitterness at being fooled aside, the neo-connishness of this is quite frightening, especially to learn about on the same day as his serious entertainment of the draft. Oh my...he really does want to lead us down a dark dark path, the one Bush/Cheney has set us on, only worse since Russia is posturing now. The U.N. is indeed an imperfect entity, but it does an AMAZING amount of good around the world. Only Americans don't get that, as we have been bamboozled about it, and we enjoy a sense of "separateness" from the world with those ocean borders of ours. But that separateness is naive, and will be our undoing....indeed, it already is our undoing. McCain will just accelerate it.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -5/+52Ron Paul want to pull out. Period
John McCain want to pull out and form a new organization with the same goal but under his control.
Big difference. - onyxcoltrane, on 08/21/2008, -8/+47FTA: Why does McCain think separatism is "evil" in one part of the world, and "necessary" in the other? The answer lies in the ground. In Georgia, the democratic-but-dissident-bashing government lets the US control the oil and gas that pass through. In Bolivia, the impeccably democratic government of Evo Morales wants to control it on their own. Morales is asking US gas companies to pay their fair share, and using the proceeds to lift his own people out of poverty. For that, he is dubbed "authoritarian".
So there's McCain's definition of democracy: if you let us control your resources, you're a democracy. If you try to control your resources yourself, you're a dictatorship. Those of us who believe democracy is the most precious political value of all should be repelled to see it reduced to a propaganda term. - kmom5, on 08/21/2008, -19/+58One sad thing about this is that McCain's neocon supporters want to accuse Obama of supporting this, when it's McCain. Uninformed or deliberately misleading?
Yet one more reason why a McCain presidency would spell disaster for America and the world (as if there aren't a buttload of them already).
I once said that McCain scared me, and it was the truth. I think now I am progressing from fear to outright horror. - kroses, on 08/21/2008, -19/+44This guy is as scary as Hell! With a hair-trigger temper and anger that could come at the drop of a hat, I don't want him watching over MY security! The public needs to know more about this "pea-brain!" Go to TheRealMcCain.com for the "real story" on the man who pretends he is patriotic, but is in reality a sociopath even worse than his mentor, George W. Bush!!!
- onyxcoltrane, on 08/21/2008, -2/+27The answer is to fix the UN not replace it with a group of nations who are bought off or intimidated by the US.
- davidg11, on 08/21/2008, -37/+59The UN is a useless bureaucracy.
Let's put it this way. France is on the security council.
Why again? - bbwolf7, on 08/21/2008, -13/+36FTA: Those of us who support the UN should be more outraged by (its) failures than anyone else. But the US government has also committed horrible abuses and been riddled with corruption – and nobody suggests the solution is to abolish it. No: it is to make it live up to its greatest ideals.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -6/+28Hey David,
I'd STFU about France. If it wasnt for them we'd still be the United Stated of England right now doofus. - Hillsfar, on 08/21/2008, -4/+23Well the "League of Democracies" (read: "Coalition-of-the-Willing") will be good propaganda until one of its members (read: Georgia) gets invaded by the Commies (read: Russia) and the only U.S. response is "tough talk" (read: paper tiger) full of hypocrisy (read: Iraq).
- InetRoadkill, on 08/21/2008, -12/+32Because France was the only one with the good sense to challenge the US's motivation for war in the middle east.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -21/+36The UN is corrupt and useless. They accomplish nothing. Dismantle the UN. It's about time we do away with such an idea.
- kalvinb, on 08/21/2008, -9/+24Good. When you have countries in violation of human rights leading human rights committees I think it's time to rethink the organization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Commis ...
On May 4, 2004, United States ambassador Sichan Siv walked out of the Commission following the uncontested election of Sudan to the commission, calling it an “absurdity” in light of Sudan’s ethnic cleansing in the Darfur region. - canewediggit, on 08/21/2008, -3/+19show me the light aero, i'm open to an opposing view if you can post a link or two.
- ozymandias2012, on 08/21/2008, -25/+41I could care less who does it. Someone needs to put an end to that miserable organization. It's nothing but a huge, corrupted, blob of useless bureaucrats lining their pockets with aid money and kickbacks from dictators. Whatever's left is shipped to the thrid world so that warlords can steal it and buy more weapons.
- neognostic, on 08/21/2008, -4/+19Quotes from a McCain town meeting "Stating "if we don’t reenact the draft I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell", the concerned mother – and the applauding audience - waited for McCain’s response. In a style typical of a man who speaks before he thinks, McCain responded "Let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said"
- JoanDark, on 08/21/2008, -20/+35Anger and JEALOUSY ! Galore.
This is a SICK man, and a man NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT!Just seeing him function is making me soft on bush, who is a simple moron.
Insteads--an evil, plotting, lying , hair-trigger temper moron??
Ohh noooo! - ha$$le, on 08/21/2008, -2/+17This "killing of the UN" is a dream of the dinosaurs that want unfettered power and American supremacy. However, the time in which that particular mindset thrived is long dead and gone.
As an American, I don't give two dry turds about American supremacy. What I care about is whether or not my son will be able to grow up in a peaceful, environmentally sound world. - thereisnostate, on 08/21/2008, -1/+16Well, millions of Americans voted for Bush twice so McCain thinks he can do no wrong in continuing the neocon agenda. A government is only as good as its people.
- marabout40, on 08/21/2008, -3/+18"it's mostly the UN's fault that we went to war with Iraq."
How is that exactly? - pintomp3, on 08/21/2008, -2/+16The Council seated five permanent members who were originally drawn from the victorious powers after World War II:
* The French Republic
* The Republic of China
* The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
* The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
* The United States of America - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -31/+42It's statements like this that could get me to actually vote for McCain.
- pintomp3, on 08/21/2008, -2/+17seriously. they couldn't even stop a rogue state like the US from invading a sovereign country.
- PleaseJustDie, on 08/21/2008, -4/+16Holy hell... the collective circle jerking of a majority of these comments is just astounding... Its like a group of 5 year olds standing a circle repeating the same thing the person next to them said and everyone cheering them on for it...
Seriously people, if its been said 20 times already, you don't need to say it again... - angusm, on 08/21/2008, -2/+14Walking out of the UN and setting up your own private club composed of only the nations you like is the political equivalent of taking your ball home because the other kids don't want to play the game your way. It's doubly ironic when you consider that the US has constrained and directed and manipulated the UN in every way possible, used it as a pretext when convenient and ignored it when it wasn't. But Krauthammer and Bolton and friends still aren't satisfied: partial subservience won't do, only total obedience to our divine will is enough.
A United Nations Of Just Us and a Few Of Our BFFs will be fundamentally pointless. It'll be a club of wealthy nations, plus a few others who are sufficiently poor that the US can bully them into doing anything they say (which, incidentally, we already do in the context of the UN). Dissent will not be tolerated; potential troublemakers will not receive an invitation. And while membership is only open to 'democracies' (as we define them), we won't be taking the notion of democracy too far. Expect the more inconvenient clauses of that pesky UN Declaration of Human Rights to get dropped by the wayside early on. - Naieve, on 08/21/2008, -5/+16Yeah, we all know how much genocide, and how many wars, the UN stops...
Why do we supply the UN with 25 percent of its money?
I say we take that same money, give it to well run charities, and actually do some good with it. - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -3/+14Nobody did anything when Hitler began picking off countries. Hell, he was basically give a green light to do so. He only became the bad guy once he started coming after the same people that gave him that green light.
- Guitarzan, on 08/21/2008, -1/+12Digg consists of many, many active users. It isn't like the same people comment in every story.
- ZenMojo, on 08/21/2008, -0/+11Here's something to consider. Hugo Chavez let cable television bash him 5 hours a day on news shows that literally called him Satan and a baby-eater. They fomented dissent and outright organized coups LIVE ON TELEVISION and he just sat there and took it.
They went so far as to overthrow his government using force and install a dictator in his place. CNN broadcast edited footage of Chavez supporters shooting at anti-Chavez police with peaceful protesters and pretended the police and the Chavez supporters were shooting at the protesters (a long view clearly shows the street was actually empty and the Chavez supporters were shooting at snipers on the roof and that the peaceful protesters weren't even on location; see: War on Democracy on YouTube/Google Video).
And you know what? The little "dictator" didn't do a goddamn thing.
But Georgia wipes out all opposition television, takes it over with the State, gases and beats protesters, and rockets Tskhinvali into the ground on the opening day of the Olympics and the United States jumps to its aid and tries to fast track it into NATO the whole time!
Someone's priorities are ***** wrong here. - Naieve, on 08/21/2008, -5/+15I love how they Digg down the people pointing out that the UN is a joke.
You do know the UN is the one who staffs its Human Rights initiatives with the worst humans rights abusers?
The UN is a joke, and EVERYONE knows it.
You have the West on one side with veto powers, and China and Russia on the other with veto powers. Which of course means it is useless.
The UN is a complete waste of money in the age of information. The real threat against rogue states is that their actions will wind up on the news and force Governments to act. The UN isn't stopping anything, in fact it only makes it worse.
Take all that money and give it to well run charities and actually do the world some good. - voxlisa999, on 08/21/2008, -15/+25Totally! Bush seems tame and has probably just been a puppet for Cheney & Wolfie & the rest of the nutters. Bush has no clue what is going on. I think the Democrats need to start comparing McCain to Cheney- who was really behind all the LIES. McCain wanted to invade Iraq before Bush had the thought programmed into his head!
- Rimrock, on 08/21/2008, -10/+21Here here!
- SSCrow, on 08/21/2008, -1/+11If it wasn't for the US, their attempts to overthrow their monarch and establish a Democracy might not have gone so smoothly.
But yeah, I respect France, there is a lot of complex history between the Americas and Europe.
As for the UN. I would prefer we keep it in a mildly functioning order. We haven't had a World War since, and it is a good endeavor even if its not perfect. - SethEllis, on 08/21/2008, -14/+23I agree that without a world organization like the UN we're doomed to enter into another world war.
but let's be honest with ourselves. The UN is absolutely worthless at this point. Something big needs to change or we're doomed to enter into another world war. - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -10/+19The UN needs to go but replacing it with another international entanglement is just as bad.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -3/+12You want to start talking about what your tax money pays for? Because you'd end up looking even more like a fool.
- inajeep, on 08/21/2008, -4/+13"Contrary to the yokel-myth, a typical opinion poll – by Global Public Opinion – just found that 64 per cent of Americans think the UN is doing a good job, compared to just 28 per cent who support George Bush."
That's a hell of a jump from UN support to George Bush support? I don't follow the logic.
While the idea of a UN is noble, realistically they aren't the effectual. Give me a plan to fix it rather than scrap it. As long as it's a plan from someone other than McCain. - thelemonkid, on 08/21/2008, -32/+40We were wrong. McCain = WORSE than Bush
- pintomp3, on 08/21/2008, -2/+12there's another country on the council who has been invading countries and torturing people.
- vexingmodstwo, on 08/21/2008, -50/+59Chalk up yet one more plus in the McCain column.
The UN is an absolute joke. - cloudcity, on 08/21/2008, -4/+12Killing the bloated, corrupt, ineffective, toothless UN = Good.
Unchecked, unnecessary and expensive military action = Bad. - pintomp3, on 08/21/2008, -8/+15the neo-cons hate the UN because they want to act unilaterally without any opposition.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -4/+11We really should of voted for Al Gore , so his personality is a little bland. But he would of done a good job as president.
- HxChris91, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7The fact that you say taking down the UN has anything to do with neo-cons make me sad. If anything the neo conservatives would do anything possible to keep the UN afloat, easier to go about nation-building with an excuse (AKA The UN said it was OK, just like with the Iraq war...) the real conservatives and anybody opposed the the USA continuing to be the world policemen would agree with the prerogative to take down the useless and money-draining United Nations.
- Iztikeit, on 08/21/2008, -2/+9France jokes are pathetic....France, up until 1900, had a much more prolific history than America.
- wacked, on 08/21/2008, -1/+8the UN is only useless because the US has made it so.
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