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- Curlz31, on 02/08/2008, -21/+174I would love to help all the illegal immigrants, but the fact is the United States just cannot afford to do it. That's the fact. Everybody wants to be compassionate, but you have to be compassionate to the American people first. The US is going broke. The middle class is being destroyed. All this while the government continues to subsidize illegal immigrants.
What this is really about is the North American Union. Why else would the President be complaining about terrorism, but keeping the border open. Just ridiculous. - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -11/+116Read the whole article...Obama co-sponsored the bill. I'd say we have a major problem here.
- SunnyinFLA, on 02/08/2008, -22/+111I don't want to hear anyone who votes for McCain complaining in another few years about the North American Union, endless wars, the end of civil liberties, etc.....I voted for Ron Paul.
- CurtisLow101, on 02/08/2008, -16/+70McCain has no idea how to run a country. He has trouble just running his own life!
- Ifritdave, on 02/08/2008, -9/+60Curlz is exactly right, being compassionate is great and all but you have to look at the bigger picture or everyone is going to suffer
- simcjt, on 02/08/2008, -3/+48If i have to go to Mexico to be covered ....
- TomK88, on 02/08/2008, -24/+69America makes no sense to me. How do people think universal health care is socialist and should not be paid for with tax dollars yet they're willing to pay for the War on Drugs, the War in Iraq, humanitarian aid all over the world, libraries, welfare, etc. etc. etc.
The health of your own citizens should be placed at the top of the list for things to spend tax dollars on. Military, police, justice system, firefighters, and healthcare. All essential services of any society that should be available and paid for by everybody. - stevensj2, on 02/08/2008, -15/+55Obama supporters are so moved by his words that they don't even bother to look at his actions.
That, and they are too busy posting "YES WE CAN!!!!" all over the web. - whitesands8, on 02/08/2008, -6/+36Ron Paul...."End the IRS and replace it with NOTHING"
- DamonDog, on 02/08/2008, -6/+35McCain: "You want citizenship?"
Illegal Immigrants: "Yes."
McCain: "Enlist in the military and you will have it."
Illegal Immigrants: "Ok."
McCain: "Ok, now we are going to invade more countries, thanks for becoming my chess pieces." - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -7/+32That's not the government's job, so yeah, right. Just because your life is a spectacular failure doesn't mean everyone's is, and I don't want to have to pay for your inability to be independent.
- diggdowner, on 02/08/2008, -5/+29Okay, so he' s not exactly socially OR fiscally conservative.
But his commercials say he's a true conservative, so... - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -4/+27Taxi-hailing Polar Bear is dumbfounded.
- Curlz31, on 02/08/2008, -2/+24If you want to help someone YOU have an obligation personally. You don't have the right to steal from somebody else to do it.
- mannymix03, on 02/08/2008, -1/+23I'm sorry, i just don't get the polar bear taxi picture...
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -8/+26Americans could afford anything they wanted if not for the long arm of the federal gov taking our hard earned monies for such schemes as funding the UN and illogical wars and foreign aid.
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And before anybody tries, saying that the study will lead directly to binational healthcare is a textbook slippery slope fallacy. - ooMissioNoo, on 02/08/2008, -1/+17Our nations screwed.
- Digger1218, on 02/08/2008, -4/+19Second that bro
- Awspire, on 02/08/2008, -3/+16Ever been to an emergency room lately? Guess what, Mexico is already here.
- whitesands8, on 02/08/2008, -4/+17Huckabee is offering chamelion tax reform...Classic bait and switch...You will likely be paying even more taxes under Huckabee's plan plus there will be strict Federal regulation over every purchase
- yogurtslinger, on 02/08/2008, -2/+15And you'll be one of those people bitching in a few years when everything is all ***** up.
- Curlz31, on 02/08/2008, -2/+15Yes, but taxing someone to subsidize illegal immigrants is not fair. Taxing fuel to pay for roads is fair, because the people buying the fuel are the ones using the roads.
- Rodalli, on 02/08/2008, -4/+16Here's a little story to put things in perspective.
I'm 24 years old and have been in perfect health my entire life. Never broken a bone, never had surgery or any other health complications. Three months ago I was diagnosed with inflammatory bowel disease. I have to take medication to keep the disease in remission and I will have to remain on the medication indefinitely. If I don't, the disease will continue to spread through my intestines and I will either develop colon cancer or I will lose my colon entirely.
The ***** up thing about this is that my family's insurance company was happy to take a chunk of my dad's paycheck every month so long as I was only getting the flu or chicken pox or something like that. But as soon as something bad happens, they throw their hands in the air and say "we don't cover that!" What's the ***** point of insurance if you're not insured? The idea of health insurance is that you're purchase protection from the financial disaster that would occur in the event of unexpected health problems. If you KNEW you were going to get a chronic bowel disease, you could plan for that ***** and it wouldn't be a financial disaster.
Now, the insurance company won't pay for my medication, so that's $150 out of my pocket every month. Something I can't really spare as a college student. Also, since I'm graduating college soon, my dad's health insurance is going to drop me (not that that's going to make a big difference, amirite?), so now I have to find my own health insurance. Only problem with that is no one wants to insure someone with a chronic disease because it cuts into that fat profit from those insurance premiums and I'm a liability in the event that the disease gets worse (slim chance so long as I stay medicated).
So what are my options? Well, I don't really have any. Not as far as health insurance is concerned. As it stands, I'm better off paying the $150 out of my own pocket (which I'm doing already) and getting down on my knees once a month to pray to the ***** Flying Spaghetti Monster that nothing else bad happens. What other choice do I have? The health care system has essentially locked me out of buying health insurance and thus locked me out of receiving health care.
The reason we need socialized health care isn't because socialism is better than capitalism, or vice versa, or any of the other reasons you're probably dreaming up. We need socialized health care because we need health care reform. And we need health care reform because the U.S. government of the 21st century really dropped the ball in protecting the rights of its' citizens in terms of health care. They let the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance lobbyists take America to the bank. They allowed the American people to be robbed so that they could line their own pockets.
The result is a health care system that is so bloated and inundated with corporate profiteering that the average American budget for health care has been tapped dry. We simply cannot afford to give them any more money than they have squeezed out of us, and yet these "insurers" still can't manage to cover any of our claims. It's blatant theft, it's been like this for decades and no one in Washington did anything about it, and so now we reap what we sow.
And if anyone is wondering, I'm voting Obama. - alfsborg, on 02/08/2008, -4/+15The Republic is failing from the inside out. McCain, Billary, or Obama will give the same result.
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -2/+13I don't get what people are so upset about. This is about allowing American INSURANCE companies to provide PRIVATE INSURANCE to Mexicans. Why the ***** should that be a problem for ordinary Americans?
- rationalist, on 02/08/2008, -5/+16Buried as inaccurate. I oppose McCain, but I oppose lies and propaganda even more.
The bill does no such thing. Read it yourself. - Cyrus042, on 02/08/2008, -1/+12So you read the entire article, great, but did you read the bill?
" (a) Study-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall contract with the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies (referred to in this section as the `Institute') to study binational public health infrastructure and health insurance efforts.
(2) INPUT- In conducting the study under paragraph (1), the Institute shall solicit input from border health experts and health insurance companies.
(b) Report-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 1 year after the date on which the Secretary of Health and Human Services enters into a contract under subsection (a), the Institute shall submit a report concerning the study conducted under subsection (a) to the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the appropriate committees of Congress.
(2) CONTENTS- The report submitted under paragraph (1) shall include the recommendations of the Institute on ways to expand or improve binational public health infrastructure and health insurance efforts. "
The most reasonable interpretation of this is that it will investigate the feasibility of Mexican or Canadian health insurance companies covering the costs in American hospitals or any other means of having Mexican/Canadian health companies or departments sharing the cost of immigrant/visitor health care. Additionally, Hospitals have a moral and legal obligation to treat those who need emergency care. So why not try to find ways to reduce the inevitable cost?
In any case, this is just a proposal for a study not actual legislation.
Or we can totally misrepresent the facts and believe a blog probably written by someone with no formal education in law or political science. - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -0/+11How would Norway feel if 10 Million illegal immigrants showed up and started sucking those "societal safety nets" dry?
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -13/+24he wants to get closer to use Panamanian roots! he was born in Panama!!!
welcome to the NWO and North American Union - wake up and vote for Ron Paul - he is no joke! - rficwizard, on 02/08/2008, -0/+11Yeah, throw away your votes for voting for the person you want to see elected. You are just not sophisticated enough to know that you should vote for someone who doesn't share your ideals.
- EXreaction, on 02/08/2008, -6/+16Americans will take socialism, but they will not take the name.
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -7/+17That doesn't make any sense. I'm not a builder or a farmer, thus by that logic I should be entitled to free food and housing. What, do you expect me to go out foraging in the forest for berries and build my own lean-to?
People nowadays just refuse to take responsibility for anything and instead think it's their "right" to have whatever it is they want. - VotingFraud, on 02/08/2008, -6/+16Health care is not a right, it is a service.
- Speaking, on 02/08/2008, -3/+13McCain is a traitor to national sovereignty. Not that anyone is required to believe in the concept of national sovereignty, but shouldn't a president?
- fishbert, on 02/08/2008, -7/+16This smacks of sensationalism.
- realmadrid1919, on 02/08/2008, -3/+12Who gives a ***** what th UN says? They are not the US Government.
- Bossman1086, on 02/08/2008, -1/+10Agreed. How can anyone vote for McCain? I mean, I agree with a lot of what he says when it comes to some national issues, but he's a war mongering lunatic and he's got a pretty damn short temper. I'm afraid he'll lose it and bomb some random country. Also, screw staying in Iraq for 100 years.
It's sad that he may win. America doesn't even deserve Ron Paul. - InspectorGadget, on 02/08/2008, -1/+10"God" didn't give us our liberties and neither did the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution is just a simple codification of pre-existing natural rights that every person enjoys by virtue of being born. The only things people don't have the right to do are the rights they cede to the government as part of the social contract. Remember, the Constitution was designed mostly to LIMIT federal government - all other powers are reserved to the states and the people, and anyone who lets his state strip him of his natural rights is an idiot.
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -2/+11Me too!
- spyd3rweb, on 02/08/2008, -4/+13Start the Impeachment process now...
- luet, on 02/08/2008, -0/+9Does it not trouble anybody else that the image is of a POLAR BEAR STANDING NEXT TO A TAXI
- synaesthesia, on 02/08/2008, -0/+8Hi, this must be your first day on Digg. Welcome.
- schnikies79, on 02/08/2008, -1/+9We are Norway and Sweden and we shouldn't try to be.
Sorry, I don't trust the government to provide these safety nets. The more goverment you have, the less freedom you have. It's as simple as that.
I'll never trade safety and happiness for freedom. - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -8/+16I do not know of one person being denied emergency health care. You don't either. You sorry marxists have got to get it through your heads that health care is a personal responsibility. Why should I as a taxpayer be forced to pay for your liposuction or your sex change. Or shot for that VD you got from your welfare mom girlfriend. Catastrophic health insurance is very reasonable and if you are "uninsurable", there already are "STATE" programs to help out.
- rajun50, on 02/08/2008, -2/+9here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN010 ... - mproberts, on 02/08/2008, -0/+7It can't be a right since it is not time invariant. If you have a right to health care then everyone, for all of time had a right to health care, even when it didn't exist. That is the nature of rights. People tend to think that rights encompass far more than they actually do, much of what people consider rights are just allowances of a gracious minority funding everyone else.
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