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- BishkekBuddy, on 09/27/2008, -27/+312Cripes... he didn't know what his adviser's position was.... doddering old fool.
- JenniferInMO, on 09/27/2008, -25/+263McCain even got nasty pushing that one. One thing I noticed is that when McCain was lying or misstating something he got more condescending and angry. The man doesn't like getting caught in a lie and responds with anger. Cheating husbands respond with verbal attacks, they get angry and condescending when caught in a lie. He's easy to read.
- inactive, on 09/27/2008, -25/+198Come on now, McCain can barely keep his positions straight, how can anyone expect him to remember what his advisers propose?
- charm803, on 09/27/2008, -18/+173My favorite part was when McCain said Barack was using certain "terms" (words) and Obama said
"I use the same terms your advisors use." - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 09/27/2008, -22/+123McCain:
- I've been friends with Henry Kissinger for 35 years... but I can't remember what he said on a CNN symposium 2 weeks ago.
- What do I do? What dooo I do?
- Lie my ass off, of course.
58% of those polled after the debate... well they didn't believe McCain. - inactive, on 09/27/2008, -28/+119Why is Kissinger not in prison? Am i the only person on earth still aware of the hundreds of thousands, or millions of people murdered at the command of this man?
- 5celery, on 09/27/2008, -2/+79like Palin's "verbage" - - republicans want to cast people with functioning vocabularies as 'elitist'
- progressiveEC, on 09/27/2008, -23/+94Nice recovery on diplomacy here from Barack
- valimar77, on 09/27/2008, -16/+68"Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran "without conditions," ABC News reported."
- inactive, on 09/27/2008, -25/+76Wait -- McCain LIED? But he's a PEE-OH-DUBBLE-EWE!!!!!111
- FreddieD, on 09/27/2008, -12/+59The bi-partisan site FactCheck.org has a comprehensive analysis of last night's debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecki ...
You will notice that aside from Obama misspeaking about the size of Iraq's current surplus, virtually every other entry was a McCain lie or truth stretch. This is not a liberal leaning site like HuffPo or DailyKOS, it's from a site that is politically neutral and had the interests of ALL educated voters in mind.
The fact is, McCain was either tied or beaten in most of the foreign policy discussions. This is incredibly huge because this was supposed to be Obama's weak point. - 5celery, on 09/27/2008, -14/+55The best McCain lies are when he is so insistent on being correct - you can tell he'd fight for it to the bitter end - and despite this, he's flat out WRONG and it can be easily shown. THAT is not something we can afford in a president (not again).
In all honesty - this could be a memory disorder (I'll still refer to it as a lie, because the stakes are too high to make allowances for senility), and part of normal wear and tear on the human mind. - Gemfinder, on 09/27/2008, -4/+43By the end of the debate, we could see him coming apart at the seams. His second-to-last piece might have been worthy of a snotty 14-year-old but hardly Presidential.
- eatsushi, on 09/27/2008, -16/+51Why is McCain still in this race? Actually, why are we letting his old ***** ass still participate in this race? I swear, if he is elected into office I will lead the Mob in front of the White House
- Arishia, on 09/27/2008, -10/+41Remember Obama's concluding remarks? Here they all are. From the five former Secretaries of State:
The other former secretaries of state, Madeleine Albright, James Baker III, Warren Christopher and Colin Powell, were asked to identify the biggest challenges the next president will face. They answered the fight against terrorism, restoring America's reputation abroad, r-building U.S. economic power and global climate change, ABC reported." - aben9woaha, on 09/27/2008, -3/+33No you're not.
- wmhogg, on 09/27/2008, -1/+30I noticed that when he was making stuff up his blink rate when to 100 blinks per minute.
- apastafarian, on 09/27/2008, -6/+33Kissinger has a many facets, liar is one of his better ones.
- stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -9/+35"President of the United States" was McCain's input, NOT Obama's. Obama did not state "President", but McCain twisted it into that. If you listen to the background comments, Obama clearly states, "I didn't say that".
- Arishia, on 09/27/2008, -2/+28This whole argument about preconditions is a straw man argument, set up by McCain. Obama has been clear that his administration would have a policy of approaching other nations through the full force of diplomacy on all levels. The Bush/McCain approach is to demand that other nations meet our requirements before we recognize them as having a voice. It's like 'you don't exisit until you agree with me'. To me that is arrogant, authoritarian, and dangerous. Other nations do exist, whether America wants to admit it or not. Additionally, the weaker we are in world alliances, our economy, and our military, the weaker our bargaining position in foreign affairs is.
- Echota, on 01/05/2009, -4/+29WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.
Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran "without conditions," ABC News reported.
Kissinger is as bad a liar as McCain! - mcgaff23, on 09/27/2008, -7/+31Why would Kissinger be upset that Obama used his name and his own quote against McCain? He said it himself, McCain is an old friend who just so happens to be running for President. And not many Republicans would want to be quoted in an argument against one of their own party members.
BTW, I hated that McCain couldn't even bring himself to look at or personally acknowledge Obama AT ALL during the debate. He obviously has great disdain for Obama and just cannot hide it....... - sguasp, on 09/27/2008, -3/+26I think my favorite line was when Barack counters with "I have a bracelet, too." Haha, and he was actually WEARING his, as opposed to John's hypothetical one.
- stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -4/+27McCain clearly twisted Obama's words. Obama never said the next President should engage in talks with Iran. I relistened to debate this morning. As well, Obama clearly is heard in the background telling McCain that he didn't say that the "President" should sit at the table with Iran. Indeed, Kissinger is going to agree with McCain's statement the way McCain worded it, but McCain was inaccurate the way he presented it.
- inactive, on 09/27/2008, -12/+35dugg for the title beginning with "McCain dead"
- Independentsam, on 09/27/2008, -13/+34Thank you for that information. I sincerely believe Henry the K's "without conditions" statement will take the first debate from a "draw" (my opinion), to "win" for Obama. While I do not think McCain was lying, I believe he will loose considerably more credibility (yes he still has some credibility left but not much) due to his repeated insistence that Kissinger made no such statement.
I do have to admit that McCain did much better than I anticipated. Having to eat crow and again demonstrate his lack of knowledge of what is (was) said by by prominent insiders of his staff and advisers is more evidence that he is unfit for the Oval Office.
Again, thanks. Before reading this post, I was hoping Obama was correct. - Echota, on 01/05/2009, -8/+27WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.
Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran "without conditions," ABC News reported.
Henery Kissinger is as big a Liar as Joh McCain if he denies his own words!
Obama owns both of them!!! - whahaa, on 09/27/2008, -1/+19"I am Killinger. Dr Henry Killinger. Und dis is my magic murder bag."
- Skip2Maloo, on 09/27/2008, -6/+24BEFORE the debate, Kissinger says (at least once) that the United States should engage in unconditional talks with Iran at a "very high level". Obama interpreted it to mean that the next President should talk to Iran and McCain disputes that assertion.
AFTER the debate, Kissinger makes a statement that "his friend" McCain was right... he never meant the next President should talk to Iran.
Excuse me... but if I had heard Kissinger's original remarks, I would have taken "very high level" to mean the President, or at least the possibility of it. Seems to me that not until this became an issue did Kissinger qualify his remarks to the advantage of his party and his friend, when they could easily have been interpreted the other way.
Strains both McCain's and Kissinger's credibility to concur with each other after the fact. - Echota, on 01/05/2009, -1/+18WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.
Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran "without conditions," ABC News reported.
You are wrong about the original statement from Kissinger,he did say it.
Dugg down for being inaccurate in your post. - AKWookiee, on 09/27/2008, -20/+37This one looks like a draw to me. McCain's point was that the President himself should not be conducting face-to face negotiations with Iranian leadership. Obama seemed to be focused on the "without preconditions" element of the discussion. Kissinger's position appears to be that we should negotiate without conditions but the President should not be the one doing the negotiating.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/fa ... - JHB800, on 09/27/2008, -2/+18Actually, they were both right.
At two separate points Kissinger has stated that the President should meet without pre-conditions, as well as that the meetings should only take place at the Secretary of State level.
It seems that the only one that disagreed with Henry Kissinger about this was Henry Kissinger. - tonicboy, on 09/27/2008, -6/+22The "without preconditions" part is completely independent of the secretary of state part. Kissinger said: "I am in favor of negotiating with Iran... I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level"
Just leaving out a part of a quote doesn't change it. I'm liberal and all for pointing out neocon *****, but we do ourselves no favor by not being fair and impartial in the process. Kissinger LITERALLY said, he did not favor presidential-level talks. Don't dig me down just because you're a stubborn liberal. If you're going to call him on minor points of fact, you need to cede minor points of fact as well. - tonicboy, on 09/27/2008, -12/+27http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4DwMGdWaDc - 32 seconds. Kissinger LITERALLY says, he supports talks at a secretary level.
By the way, I am a very staunch liberal, but I hate it when I see people become so smitten with their own view that they become blind and start to make up facts to back up their point. That applies to either side, and you bet your ass neocons are guilty of that as well. I support Barack Obama and think Sarah Palin is an insane crackpot, but my opinion and my support is meaningless unless it is founded on facts and truth. - SaraLiberty, on 09/27/2008, -26/+41***** Kissinger. What a snake. I have my doubts that he's even human.
You want to know the real truth on this criminal?
"The Trial Of Henry Kissinger" Part 1/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqUsryqXDOk
'Based on the book written by Christopher Hitchens this program looks at the life
and crimes of Kissenger under the Nixon and Ford regime."
You can find the rest of the 7 parts in the links section.
Kissinger Vs. the 9/11 Families
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxjJDlbnC4 - Laminarcissus, on 09/27/2008, -2/+16From factcheck.org --
It starts out as "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is" and ends with Kissenger having to backfill his own positions to support what McCain said.
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Did Kissinger Back Obama?
McCain attacked Obama for his declaration that he would meet with leaders of Iran and other hostile nations "without preconditions." To do so with Iran, McCain said, "isn't just naive; it's dangerous." Obama countered by saying former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger – a McCain adviser – agreed with him:
Obama: Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers.
McCain rejected Obama's claim:
McCain: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years.
Obama: We will take a look.
McCain: And I guarantee you he would not -- he would not say that presidential top level.
Obama: Nobody's talking about that.
So who's right? Kissinger did in fact say a few days earlier at a forum of former secretaries of state that he favors very high-level talks with Iran – without conditions:
Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic...
CNN's Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box?
Kissinger: Initially, yes.But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.
Later, McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, was asked about this by CBS News anchor Katie Couric, and Palin said, "I’ve never heard Henry Kissinger say, ‘Yeah, I’ll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.'" Afterward Couric said, "We confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following our interview."
After the McCain-Obama debate, however, Kissinger issued a statement saying he doesn't favor a presidential meeting:
Kissinger: Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. - Crazd, on 09/27/2008, -7/+21Look, we're all parsing this way too much.
McCain - Kissinger doesn't approve of Presidents meeting directly
Obama - Kissinger approves of meetings without preconditions
The statements are not mutually exclusive, and are both correct.
Kissinger - We should meet without preconditions, but not at the Presidential level
Tadaa! No one is a liar, but both manipulated facts to suit themselves. Welcome to politics.
Edit: Kissinger commented on the debate. The above still stands.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/fa ... - doublehead, on 09/27/2008, -4/+17Obama never said he would personally meet as President with any of these people unconditionally. McCain confounded Obama's message and made it sound like he was wrong by using the "president" as his talking point. On that note, Kissinger didn't say "president" either. But again, neither did Obama.
So McCain was trying to cause controversy where there was none. . . again. He was the one who brought it to a presidential level. Barack didn't. - fadeddragon, on 09/27/2008, -2/+15He never said president.
MCCAIN: Look, Dr. Kissinger did not say that he would approve of face-to- face meetings between the president of the United States and the president -- and Ahmadinejad. He did not say that.
OBAMA: Of course not.
...
MCCAIN: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years.
OBAMA: We will take a look.
MCCAIN: And I guarantee you he would not -- he would not say that presidential top level.
OBAMA: Nobody's talking about that.
Both McCain and Kissinger are twisting Obamas's words. - darladoon, on 09/27/2008, -7/+20btw, ahmadinejad is NOT the highest level govt official in iran.
and mccain, again, bumbled that one many times. - Echota, on 01/05/2009, -3/+16WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.
Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran "without conditions," ABC News reported.
Well looks like Kissinger is as big a Liar as Joh McCain!
Republicans! Just can't stick to the truth! - bbtweb, on 09/27/2008, -3/+16actually I heard him say that's where they should START. Not be the ONLY level used. Clearly Henry realizes that Iran is no longer an issue that can be dealt with at that level which is why he referred to the next president during his interview with ABC news.
- OstrakonX, on 09/27/2008, -1/+13Yes, I totally noticed this too. His attitude was extremely condescending, essentially saying "Yeah, I think -I- know what Kissinger's stance would be."
I was laughing the whole time. I can't believe anyone can take this man seriously. - rgodfrey, on 09/27/2008, -1/+13Guess I should have posted some context for you whippersnappers.
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Henry-Kissi ... - Qumahlin, on 09/27/2008, -0/+12Which isn't hard to do when comprehension and teaching of the English language are two things on a steep decline in this country.
- inactive, on 09/27/2008, -0/+12Electoral college votes:
Obama: 310
McCain: 228
Popular vote:
Obama: 50.6%
McCain: 47.7%
First state-level tracking poll from Pennsylvania showed Obama leading John McCain by 4 points.
Obama doesn't have to do ***** to win, right now. It's McCain who better get his act into gear, or he is toast.
What, his desperate shenanigans this week didn't clue you in to that? His campaign is tanking. - JLSN, on 09/27/2008, -9/+21Could McSame actually be trying to lose this thing? Was it his strategy to act like an old *****? Thier new ad showing Obama being polite and defferential on some limited common ground is just so stupid. Do they really think that will play. He and his campaign are in a death spiral. I can't wait to see Caribou Barbie on Thursday. Or maybe Putin will violate the airspace and she will have run back to Alaska. I guess she is not such a quick study after all.
- archiesteel, on 09/27/2008, -0/+12Obama won the debate last night. You're just too blinded by your own partisan bias to recognize that he held his own against McCain on Foreign Policy and beat the old man on the Economy.
No wonder McCain wanted to cancel the debate! - NotYourProdigy, on 09/27/2008, -8/+20I figured as soon as McCain mentioned Kissinger. "He's been my personal friend for 35 years, and he would not condone (democratic talks) with Iran." What a dumbass.
- David1752, on 09/27/2008, -2/+14Dont leave without me!!
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