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- AshScholl, on 02/14/2008, -16/+133Is anyone surprised? In order to get the republican nomination, he has to prove how crazy he is.
- hawkeye17, on 02/14/2008, -22/+130Another shady Republican who's ethics change with the political winds. I'm shocked.
- frankwit, on 02/14/2008, -12/+113Flip-Flop
- icemorebutts, on 02/14/2008, -8/+92"John McCain: He was against waterboarding before he was for it." Best line of the whole thing.
- franklymister, on 02/14/2008, -2/+64He's not just another shady Republican. This is much bigger than your average political flip-flop.
McCain has always stood against torture, with a moral stance that was unassailable. If anyone disagreed with his stance, all he had to do was remind them that he himself had been tortured as a prisoner.
He's just sold his soul - his entire Vietnam experience has just been nullified, now that he's decided to subject others to the same inhumane treatment. - hawkeye17, on 02/14/2008, -3/+60***** off. Tell that to the American prisoners of war who were tortured by the Japanese with waterboarding. Those Japanese that did the waterboarding of our troops were hung by the US after the war. And burying this as inaccurate is childish as all hell...grow up Moin.
- JigoroKano, on 02/14/2008, -6/+63And that was the sound of McCain's last ounce of integrity evaporating into the aether.
- mommacat, on 02/14/2008, -10/+66Maybe his fellow republicans waterboarded him into it. Theyre funny that way
- Insightful, on 02/14/2008, -10/+62McCain is about the swiftboated... by himself.
- franklymister, on 02/14/2008, -5/+47Unbelievable.
Will every principle he ever held go out the window? He has always stood against torture based on his own experiences as a POW, how can he possibly do this? This is worse than a flip-flop, it's selling your soul. - MassRoadKill, on 02/14/2008, -14/+50McCain's capitulation to the rabid-right is so sad. Seriously. What a scum bag. How can I feel sorry for the guy's experience in Vietnam (being tortured while being a POW) when he now supports torture. This is the problem with the Republicans, and by extension the whole country, they/we have lost our moral authority. We cannot go around declaring war on "terrorists" and then act like them ourselves.
- triplehelix, on 02/14/2008, -3/+34then why did we execute japanese for doing it to allied forces?
- bearsinthesea, on 02/14/2008, -2/+32Riiiiight. So all the republicans just happened to vote this way to make sure no one in this administration escapes justice. Meanwhile, all the democrats flopped over and voted against it because they /want/ to give the administration an out.
Why didn't we all see that? - odiego, on 02/14/2008, -10/+38He also hates the "gooks"..
- MindTrigger, on 02/14/2008, -1/+29John: Well governor I'm astonished that you haven't found out what waterboarding is
Mitt: I know what waterboarding is senator
John: Then I'm astonished that you would think such a torture would be inflicted on anyone in in our... who we are held captive and anyone could believe that that's not torture. It's in violation of the geneva conventions, it's in violation of existing law, and governor, let me tell ya, if we're gonna get the high ground in this world and we're gonna be america that we have cherished and loved for more than 200 years, we're not gonna torture people. We're not gonna do what Pol Pot did, we're not gonna do what's being done to burmese monks as we speak, and I suggest that you talk to retired military officers and active duty military officers like colon powell and others, and how in the world anybody could think that kind of thing could be inflicted by americans on people that are held in our custody is absolutely beyond me. - rz8472, on 02/14/2008, -8/+34The Straight Talk Express has officially become the Goitermobile.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -3/+25Waterboarding is like testing somebody for a witch, you push them off a cliff, if they fly they are a witch and if they fall... well god takes them to heaven
same thing with waterboarding, if they are innocent they will lie so they can breath again and same thing if they are guilty they will still say something. not very reliable - dukeeeey, on 02/14/2008, -2/+24if waterboarding wasn't torture
there would be no point in doing it - withincontext, on 02/14/2008, -8/+28Does this mean he has to apologize to the "gooks" since he's now sympathetic to torture? Or, as he said, will they always be "gooks"? Wait, are we "gooks" now because we torture? Ooooh, right, it only counts when it's the other guys.
Yeah, I can see how we're making the world safer for Americans. /facepalm - MindTrigger, on 02/14/2008, -5/+24That's a stupid reason to vote no for this. He should have not voted, or "present", and then did a press release about his stance on the issue. In fact, he should have done the press release BEFORE the vote came up, to clarify his position. Right now, none of us have any idea if what you are saying is spin, disinformation or truth. Just because you created an account, doesn't make your word worth any more.
- Swordman554, on 02/14/2008, -2/+20This man was tortured, he should know what it is like, and yet he still votes to pass it? Yeah, that is one hell of a flip flop. Man of principles, bah...
- elipabst, on 02/14/2008, -2/+19He sold out after the 2000 election. It was sad watching him kiss the Presidents ass after the smear job Dubayah and Rove pulled on during the 2000 primary.
- m8ymerc1, on 02/14/2008, -4/+20I'm a (R) and a vet and clearly wanted RP to get the nomination. It doesn't look like that is going to happen (unfortunately).
McCain who is a vet, who was tortured, who unequivocally spoke out against torture has in my eyes completely sold out the servicemen of this country. He def. will not be getting my vote.
I will be voting for Obama, if RP doesn't run as an Independent. - DaDrake, on 02/14/2008, -8/+23Wow, I honestly can not believe all the people jumping on the bandwagon. Seriously, McCain is known for being a stubborn old dog (unlikely to change position even if 99.9% of Americans think differently) AND he been one of the largest critics of torture. This is like placing a "I love kittens" clause in a bill that ban firearms, so people who vote against it are accused of hating kittens (ignoring the real issue).
Seriously, you guys need to at least learn to think for yourself. Otherwise, you look like a bunch of idiots grasping at straws. McCain has numerous positions which you could take a look at....... but instead, you guys digg a fabricated opinion which MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
What next, Obama hates black people and democrats? - ashnbell, on 02/14/2008, -2/+17"I would have no problems with describing this practice as falling under the prohibition of torture," the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N08520616 ... - thecoolestguy, on 02/14/2008, -2/+16So now Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican presidential candidate against torture.
- Dumbledorito, on 02/14/2008, -1/+15Professional interrogators will indeed tell you that your eventual goal is to establish trust, and the intel/info you get is much more reliable. Given that "witches" confessed to putting the evil eye on kids or withering crops with Satan's help when you held them under water long enough, it's not surprising that information obtained via torture is worth about as much as studying Woody Woodpecker cartoons to learn about avian biology.
- hawkeye17, on 02/14/2008, -4/+17If you were sent to Iraq, captured by Al Queda and waterboarded then I bet you'd have a whole new view on the subject.
- dagnome1984, on 02/14/2008, -1/+12Any technique used to induce pain or fear in order to glean information is by definition is torture, but we can't let semantics get in the way of your jerkoff war fantasy.
- Dumbledorito, on 02/14/2008, -0/+10@moin1097: Because letting your enemy's behavior define your own is such a brilliant idea. Good thinkin', there, sparky. So I guess it's safe to assume you want to start a faith-based initiative to strap explosives to American religious persons and start sending them into mosques?
- jgzman, on 02/14/2008, -1/+10Repeating lies until they are truth seems to be the Republican MO.
- WillisRR17, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9That's true for so many varieties of torture.
- austinfrank, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9Just the facts, ma'am. It is what it is.
- elipabst, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8We didn't execute any of them for it, but we did sentence several to ~8 years in hard labor for it. The charges even specifically defined waterboarding as "water torture".
- metapop, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8because he's a proven liar/hypocrite, or because he approves of what the world regards torture? either way, you lose.
- unclerichard, on 02/14/2008, -1/+9That's why I trusted him when he said it was torture. Now he says it's not. Did he learn something new about it just being a presidential candidate?
- CthulhuDawn, on 02/14/2008, -1/+9I was actually considering voting for McCain IF Hillary got the nomination because of his stance against torture. What the ***** McCain...
- Nikkon2131, on 02/14/2008, -7/+15Extremely happy that McCain is coming to my campus tomorrow and I have the opportunity to protest.
- dinorama1234, on 02/14/2008, -1/+8Stewart already destroyed him. He came back. They always come back.
www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/25/senator-mccain-on-the-daily-show/ - ZenMojo, on 02/14/2008, -5/+12When he was hugging Bush he should have just gone the rest of the way and jerked him off. Jon Stewart, please destroy this man.
- ZenMojo, on 02/14/2008, -0/+7...McCain said it was torture. Now he's running for president and SUDDENLY he has a change of heart. Face it, McCain's a ***** stooge.
- PeppermintPig, on 02/14/2008, -0/+7Maybe they threatened torture him if he didn't comply?
/looking for reasons to justify why McCain appears to have lost his freaking mind. got nothing - elipabst, on 02/14/2008, -0/+7He's got to convince the Republican voters that he's "conservative" enough (whatever that means anymore) in order to win a general election.
- dagnome1984, on 02/14/2008, -2/+9The funny thing is the government has been granted permission to do any of those things. Even to American citizens if it so chooses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1-eWU2Ii0&feature ... - brandoj, on 02/14/2008, -0/+6I dislike McCain as much as the next guy, but this bill, HR.2082 is an appropriations bill. Only one section out of this bill had to do with the use of the Army Field Manual - Republicans voted against the bill because it cut the intelligence budget. Politics as usual, move along, nothing to see here.
- elipabst, on 02/14/2008, -0/+6Seriously, please do us all a favor and don't breed (or vote for that matter).
- FluffyWolf, on 02/14/2008, -1/+6Yes, I am surprised, I have previously told people that while he is a warmonger (and probably the worst of the republican bunch) he is at least against torture and intends to close the prison camps at Guantanamo. So in my book, McCain now went from being one of the worst republican candidates together with Romney and Giuliani to being the truly worst candidate and that without competition.
I wonder if he still wishes to close the prison camps at Guantanamo? - unclerichard, on 02/14/2008, -4/+9Now republicans have more in common with terrorists. Along with religious fundamentalism.
- ZenMojo, on 02/14/2008, -1/+6Nice try, Henman, but that argument is absolutely full of *****. You can't make previous acts legal by making them ILLEGAL NOW. You just can't do it. THE LAW DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. McCain knows this, he is specifically allowing torture by fighting this amendment.
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