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- inactive, on 12/08/2008, -15/+290I know that abortion is a touchy subject for a lot of people, even among the Obama supporters here on Digg. But come on! McCain's comment shows that he CLEARLY has no respect for women or women's health. I mean, what does he think we are? Just a bunch of incubators for future soldiers to fight in his wars???
- kezia1, on 10/16/2008, -11/+196I agree that no one is really PRO-abortion, we are PRO-CHOICE. We're not saying "Hey! everyone get an abortion now!", we just believe it is a woman's right to decide what to do with their own body, NOT John McCain's!
- roebeet, on 10/16/2008, -9/+157This is one area that I never agreed with conservatives on (and I am more conservative leaning).... you don't believe in birth control, you don't believe in abortion. But for the unwanted pregnancies that this creates, your only solution is adoption.
That is NOT a solution.
I agree with Obama, in that prevention and education are the best ways to combat this problem. Abortion is a necessary evil (unfortunately), but we should try to reduce the need to use that option, as much as possible. - bitsculptor, on 10/16/2008, -7/+111How could anyone who watched that moment in the debate not cringe? He was clearly stating his view that late-term abortions should be prohibited in all cases, even if the woman could die as a result of pregnancy. His air quotes indicated that anyone making such a claim is, in his eyes, a liar stretching the truth to avoid the ruling hand of the government.
It showed a total lack of compassion for women, and people in general for that matter.
I didn't think I could like him any less. I was wrong. - kmom5, on 10/16/2008, -8/+100I find the air quotes and sarcastic tone to be very insulting, demeaning, sexist and outrageous.
If there was any doubt of John McCain's stance on women's issues left, I think he cleared that up quite efficiently tonight. - uncajoe, on 10/16/2008, -8/+95You know such trivial things as "Women's Health" & "Safe Nuclear Power" aren't real issues! However, what an fellow education board member did 40 years ago, well THAT"S IMPORTANT!!!
McMoron! - sepsis13, on 10/16/2008, -7/+94Let's work on autism because my veep's kid has Down syndrome???
By the way, I got a solution for ya', birth control. The probability of Down syndrome occurring in a mid-forties pregnancy is 1 in 19, not good. - deepthot42, on 10/16/2008, -1/+87"So you'd approve if your wife decided to kill your unborn child, just because 'Its her decision'"
No.. you see... he's married to his wife (Actually, he may not even be married,so let's keep this hypothetical). They make decisions together and he's allowed his say in the matter. Being married, I would think she cares enough to take his positions into account. If he forces her to have the baby (how?) or she gets the abortion against his wishes... then they have to evaluate their relationship.
He is not, however, going to tell a complete stranger ... or a rape victim... what they can and can't do about it.
Interesting fact: The world is not black and white. - keigwyn, on 10/16/2008, -5/+72I thought he couldn't descend any lower than he had so far. He has just proved he has very little respect for women and has no consideration for anything other than he just want to win the presidency. I am further horrified by his comment that he doesn't think that a judge who supports or voted for Roe vs. Wade is qualified to serve on the Supreme Court. Wow. Just, wow.
- uncajoe, on 10/16/2008, -5/+69I'm not for abortion but by being born with a "y" chromosome, I'll never have to make what I'm sure is a very agonizing decision!
I am therefore Pro-Choice! - mmmtoblerone, on 10/16/2008, -6/+63I don't know of many even staunch pro-life people who don't take health of the mother into consideration. If McCain was trying to say that health of the mother is different than life of the mother, he should have found a clearer and more respectful way to do so. It came across as sounding like if I have life-threatening diabetes or pre-eclampsia, those who spare a thought for my concerns short of when I am on my deathbed are ridiculous and disingenuous. I personally would not get an abortion unless my life was in danger, but I certainly don't condemn those who don't want to carry a rapist's child, for example. Mental health is also a health concern. And much as I value life, I am not convinced that abortion should be off the table for those who feel differently. Obama's thoughts about putting more into avoiding the pregnancies in the first place make the most sense if there is ever to be anything both sides can agree on, yet it is the pro-lifers who fight sex education and birth control as well as abortion. That "pro-life" attitude deserves some scare quotes.
- VLGGRNGRL, on 10/16/2008, -2/+58I'm lucky ... I've never been personally confronted with the issue of choosing whether to have an abortion or not, but I certainly know women who have and none have been for frivolous reasons. One of my friends married in her 30's and she and her husband desperately wanted a child. When she became pregnant after the pain and expense of fertility treatments they discovered late in her pregnancy that the fetus would not survive, and her health was threatened. The fetus had to be aborted. This was a painful experience for this family, but if the wife had also died the pain would have been compounded. Shouldn't this family have that choice? How could any politician or judge make that decision for this family? Wealthy women always had access to abortions pre Roe v. Wade because they could pay for an illegal abortion or go to Europe for them. It is only since Roe v. Wade that the average woman has had that right.
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -3/+50This is what you get when someone is able to put their idea of "god" on your life. Not the law, not democracy, not reasonable discussion, but the way I see the bible and what God is telling me only!! or else!!...
That is the way you will live and no other! It can't be any other way as for them... God is speaking directly to them and how can you ignore God after all??
My sisters, my daughter and you all have the right to choose, it is your life and your body.
America have you seen the tape of Palin being prayed over by a man trying to protect her from witches?
Please America no more born agains or snake handling witch hunting zealots like mcCain/Palin... pretty please! - HartgE46, on 10/16/2008, -2/+47Make anything illegal and you make it dangerous... it doesn't guarantee it'll happen any less. you'll just find more unwanted babies in dumpsters or girls getting hacked up by horrible "surgeons" taking advantage of these frightened young women.
Education is key, not ignorance. - Akairenn, on 10/16/2008, -1/+44A bunch of undeveloped cells are not children.
- AmericanElitist, on 10/16/2008, -4/+47fta
what John McCain did, sneeringly, as he attempted to portray support for a mother's health as an extreme position, when in fact, it is a mainstream position -- ground that even fervent pro-life individuals often concede. - carlieq25, on 10/16/2008, -0/+40@Jdban - What if the choice was between the life of his wife and the unborn child? As that is what the article, and subsequent comments, are clearly discussing. McCain used air quotes to say that the health of the mother is somehow extreme and has been twisted by pro-choicers. What he said was clearly insensitive.
I am nearly 8-months pregnant right now with our first child. As much as my husband loves our unborn son, if he had to choose between the life of his wife and the life of his son, even at this late stage, he would choose my life. It wouldn't be an extreme excuse to kill our son. It would be an extreme measure to save his wife. - wonderlandpr, on 10/16/2008, -5/+41Women for McCain = OXYMORON (and the moron, McCain)
- WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -0/+36"Sometimes life is right, sometimes choice is right"
That's the definition of "pro-choice," you realize. You *can* be opposed to abortion but still believe that it's not the business of the government to tell a woman what to do with her body. I wouldn't be surprised to find that very many (I don't want to say "most") of the pro-choice crowd feels that way. - Ursapater, on 10/16/2008, -3/+39so how come you don't hold a funeral every time there's a spontaneous abortion? Shouldn't BOTH the doctor and the prospective mother be tried for murder? A blob of tissue the size of a pinhead with no brain or ability to support itself separated from it's mother is a "potential person" but not one yet. Perhaps you should convict boys who masturbate of mass murder, or hold funerals every time a girl has a period?
- MammasMilk, on 10/16/2008, -4/+38I'm for people like Jdban, minding their own damn business and asserting their personal beliefs onto others.
- doublefelix, on 10/16/2008, -2/+34He also said that Palin is "a good role model for women". If that statement isn't unhealthy for women, I don't know what is.
- klhammy, on 10/16/2008, -2/+34I'll be "voting" for the "candidate" who values my "health."
Women have represented more than half of voters in all the elections since 1964; why would John McCain dismiss concerns for our health (and equal pay) as extreme? He's obviously very uncomfortable talking about issues that are highly important to women. - bongfarmer, on 10/16/2008, -2/+34Hes so eloquent, hes concerned about the "health" of people
WTF wrong with you McCain? Saying these things sarcastically does not make them bad - budzilladigg, on 10/16/2008, -6/+37The irony is that the number of abortions has increased since Bush took office and the "abstinence" program was implemented.
- SpecificObject, on 10/16/2008, -2/+28Perhaps McCain should have had a conversation with his wife, who in the past contradicted his position on abortion, about allowing women [and their own families] to make such important decisions that weigh so mightily on both an individual's heath and morality.
However, sadly, we know what McCain thinks about his wife. Chattel. - Ferrum26, on 10/16/2008, -1/+27Men do get a decision. It's called to ejaculate or not to ejaculate. Guys need to take responsibility for their wangs. And yes, I'm a dude. I just make sure I'm not poking my wang anywhere I don't want to deal with for 18 years - at least, not unprotected.
- inactive, on 12/08/2008, -0/+26What if a couple was in a situation like you described, except that they already had children? It wouldn't just be about the life of the mother, but the the kids they already have would lose a parent.
I'm not an expert, but from what I understand, most women who have an abortion by choice do so in the early stages. (At least, I've never heard of a woman who walked into and abortion clinic at 7 months and say "I've changed my mind.) In the later stages, abortion on demand is illegal (as it should be).
But when you get into late term abortions it's pretty much always about medical problems, and usually with women who WANT the child. This is why this should be left to mother (and father) and the doctor. - roebeet, on 10/16/2008, -3/+28I'm not sexist - if Sarah Palin was a man, she'd be just as unqualified to be Vice President of the United States.
- Akairenn, on 10/16/2008, -2/+24Rationalizing idiocy.
- dn11, on 10/16/2008, -2/+24i believe he also used air quotes when mocking the idea that we should be talk about "safety" when it comes to nuclear power. oh no not "safety", lets just put that nuclear waste anywhere, and make sure we leave the fence open for terrorist attacks.
- HonestAbe, on 10/16/2008, -0/+21Sounds like you're pro-choice to me.
- paintgrl, on 10/16/2008, -2/+23As I watched the debates last night I was thinking McCain finally was doing a good job of debating until about 30 minutes in. When he dismissed woman's health as extreme concerns it made me so angry my hair tingled. As a woman who works in a male dominated business I run in to sexism all the time, but to have a man that seems to consider me and my health somehow unimportant as president is unthinkable. I want equality, I want to be considered more then a baby carrier and I want equal pay. Senator Obama is the only man out of all the people running for President who seems to want to give that to me.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/16/2008, -2/+23What I really disliked was McCain calling it a "pro abortion" stance.
My wife calls herself "pro choice." She has firmly stated that she would never ever even consider an abortion for herself unless the kid had life-threatening birth defects to the point that life would be a hardship (requiring machines, not expected to live outside of a hospital, etc.). However, she knows that she doesn't speak for everyone, and thinks that women should be able to choose what they want to do concerning their own pregnancies and futures. - Sogladtobehere, on 10/16/2008, -3/+23I'm not a big fan of the opinion tracker CNN has at the bottom of the screen, but did you see the opinions jump down when McCain said that? They were near 100 when Obama was speaking and hit 0 fast when McCain said that BS.
- AndrewMoyer, on 10/16/2008, -0/+20I often wonder how many people are pro-life but support (insert war of the moment). That to me seems like the epitome of hypocrisy.
- sugarazor, on 10/16/2008, -1/+21The fact that he's been on the wrong side of every major women's issue in his 26 years as a US Senator?
- sodade, on 10/16/2008, -1/+21When you equivocate the life of an unborn fetus to an actually born human being, you are DEVALUING human life.
- homercles337, on 10/16/2008, -5/+24Palin doesnt "believe" in birth control. After she is using her womb as a ***** clown car.
- kismetropolis, on 10/16/2008, -1/+20That's very interesting.
Unfortunately, it's not accurate:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/15/wildaccusati ...
Republican Bill Sponsor Said “None Of Those Who Voted Against SB-1082 Favored Infanticide.” Rick Winkel, a Republican former state senator who sponsored the “Born Alive” bill, wrote in a Letter to the Editor, “None of those who voted against SB-1082 favored infanticide.” [Chicago Tribune, Winkel LTE, 9/5/08] - lohphat, on 10/16/2008, -3/+22The party of "small government" would turn women's reproductive organs into property of the state.
"Well then, let the States decide."
Wrong again. All that does is allow women who can afford to travel have an abortion in a state which allows it. Poor women are forced into childbirth.
GOP "freedom" is slavery. - HonestAbe, on 10/16/2008, -0/+18I am against the death penalty and I am against killing children.
I am not against killing fetuses. - Chuckanut, on 10/16/2008, -1/+19@ winnestow,
Prevention and education are rationalizing murder? - Kpeanut21, on 10/16/2008, -0/+17I can understand your point, but I don’t think it’s fair to compare funding for family planning programs and sex education to programs giving away free ice cream.
The idea that conservatives “don’t believe in birth control” comes from the fact that laws that restricting access to birth control as well as abstinence only education programs have been part of the conservative agenda of the past 8 years. As long we’re providing government sponsored sex education programs, why not make them programs that present all the information and might actually work? - CrackyJSquirrel, on 10/16/2008, -3/+20Only by YOUR opinion of what murder means to you. To many, abortion is NOT murder.
- crickey23, on 10/16/2008, -1/+18I agree wholeheartedly. Education is the best tool to combat unwanted pregnancies. The fact that nowadays schools are only teaching abstinence is a joke. Kids are more likely to have sex if you tell them not to. It's just a fact.
Birth control should be taught about in schools, not just abstinence. Abstinence doesn't stop pregnancy (most of the time), but contraceptives and condoms do. I don't get why people use Christian morals to decide what and what not to teach. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there's more than one religion out there! - Sogladtobehere, on 10/16/2008, -1/+18Trollop was the word he used. Oh, and *****. He did call her a *****.
- ichbinladen, on 10/16/2008, -6/+22Geez, McCain is a douche.
- IllBeBack, on 10/16/2008, -1/+17@winnestow:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06 ...
Regardless of his birth certificate, since his mother is an American, he's also American, regardless of where he was born.
Do you think that John McCain was born in the USA? Nope. Panama Canal Zone - HartgE46, on 10/16/2008, -1/+17Their lack of support for equal pay/equal rights. Their wanting to strip a woman's right to choose. Hmm... what else do you need?
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