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- otatop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I give it 5 days before someone manages to find video of McCain saying there's nothing wrong with gays in the military and he's never said otherwise.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15McCain is an intolerable risk to America.
- LOLDOORS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.
* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade. - futureb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you're totally naive if you think that homosexuals have not been fighting in every army since Alexander the Great. they are fighting right now in Iraq. you just don't know who they are. this is a professional military. fighting is their job. what the hell does their sex life have to do with staying alive during a firefight?
- helinism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2'McCain said he staunchly opposes openly gay servicemembers, asserting that “open sexuality within military presents an intolerable risk to morale, cohesion and discipline” and national security'
Damn right! Because openly gay people might decide to tell the odd wife or girlfriend just whose been sucking whose ***** on base! - LOLDOORS, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Already found his flip flop on gay marriage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxV_850LSkU
MATTHEWS: Should there be—should gay marriage be allowed?
MCCAIN: I think—I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you want to call it that. I don't have any problem with that. But I do believe in preserving the sanctity of a union between man and woman.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
MCCAIN: Could I just mention one other thing?
On the issue of the gay marriage, I believe that if people want to have private ceremonies, that's fine. I do not believe that gay marriages should be legal. - KMye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Gay marriage and open homosexuality in the military ARE two 90% different subjects, and anyone who diggs down the above comment is just being emotional (preparing to be dugg down by everyone who just dugg doctorfungi down). This by no means gives McCain a pass, though. I used to like him for being a centrist politician who I thought stuck to his convictions despite his party's pressure. I hoped he would be spurned by the Republicans (again) and would form an independent ticket with Lieberman, what I consider the only even slight chance for a 3rd party to win the next election. *****, I bought mccainlieberman2008.org for the next two years with plans to try to encourage this. But he's been moving so far to the right, and contradicting himself to such a degree in the recent past that I've become totally disgusted. Even if, because of Rove blowing up the Christian-right's influence in the party, it's a near-necessary thing for him to do to win the primary. Speaking to my parents (in their sixties), in the past, Republicans wouldn't have had to hesitate before saying that, yes, they do believe in evolution (does anyone have a reference for who actually raised their hands in the debate to say they didn't?). ***** McCain; Biden 2008!
- implied, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What a *****.
- petunia77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We are only undermining our own military by discuraging gays from serving. They have proved not only to be as brave and as able as any other troops, but they also tend to be involved in more tactical fields, like arabic translators that we are in dire need of.
- KMye, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1with apologies to loldoors: Didn't RTFC closely enough (which I hate people not doing); strike my first sentence. I stand by the rest of it...
- Modred189, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Listen to what he is saying. He is not just speaking to homosexuality.
Imagine if you are in a squad of marines in Kirkuk, for example. Each member's duty is to the mission and to his squad mates... IN THAT ORDER. If you introduce romantic/sexual relationships into that equation, it can get flipped, or the purpose damaged. After all, you cannot be 100% efficient in a gunfight if you are constantly concerned about one particular squad mate, or if you want to be a hero etc..
This example can be applied to all three branches of the military, and does not just apply to homosexuality, and is one of the reasons mixed gender squads are so rare.
I say he's right. - doctorfungi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Gay marriage and gay people in the military are two completely different things.
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