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- zhallock, on 07/18/2008, -12/+108McCain doesn't know a lot of things.
- whatknight, on 07/18/2008, -18/+68conservative election strategy: spread some rumors and pray people think they're true.
- Shogi, on 07/18/2008, -25/+73When will people get over the Cold War and stop acting like Socialism is the devil? ***** sakes, there's a good deal of Socialist ideals that not only make sense, they also benefit a lot of people. So what if an idea is based on Socialism? If it works and helps people who need it, then I say do it. The only people with a legitimate reason to fear Socialism are the upper 1% who are afraid of losing their superiority.
- muckemuck, on 07/18/2008, -16/+48repeat after me... "I don't know if McCain is a corporatist or a fascist.." ;)
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -11/+40I sure as hell am not a McCain supporter, but what's wrong with calling Obama a socialist? Almost all the commentators above me seem to think that is an erroneous description... am I missing something?
http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/ ...
"A nice-sounding bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations." - theuniversal, on 07/18/2008, -14/+40McCain: "I don't know" what 'socialist' means.
- tcbishop12, on 07/18/2008, -3/+27You got that right. On almost every subject of significance, especially on the economy, McCain has proven himself to be, for lack of a better phrase, utterly foolish.
He doesn’t understand Social Security. He doesn’t understand interest rates. He doesn’t understand how supply and demand affect energy policy. He doesn’t understand that tax cuts don’t generate government revenue. He can’t even begin to explain how he’d keep his transparently ridiculous promises about eliminating a $400 billion deficit in four years.
Under the circumstances, I’m not sure if I should feel sorry for McCain, or be offended that he sincerely believes he should be president. - Photokon, on 07/19/2008, -4/+24Obama is a socialist. Everyone talking about bailing out banks, homeowners, etc. is a socialist. That is by the very definition a socialist.
- tcbishop12, on 07/18/2008, -15/+35I don't know if McCain's a drooling senile idiot.
Sure appears that way, though, absentee voting record and all. But I don't know. Don't ask me. Ask him. Speak s l o w l y.
Shout if you have to, because he won't turn up his hearing aid. Can't get his hands up to comb his hair.
Jerk. Hillary pulled that "I don't know if he is" BS in the primary.
This is the same type of liberal bashing the GOilP does every 4 years.
Except it ain't going down this time.
What's going down this time? McCain.
Buh-bye, John, get that rocking chair warned up.
Because liberal isn't liberal anymore, and GOP neocons are simply corporate fascists. - TitanX7, on 07/19/2008, -2/+21He knows Putin was former president of Germany.
- Hockey13, on 07/19/2008, -2/+19Calling the neo-cons "conservatives" pisses off a lot of constitutionalists. It's difficult to find conservative features in the Bushie Republican. Oh, they're there, but they're scattered on top of the mountain of waste and obscene deficits/money supply inflation. They hide behind several decent actions and ignore the stuff that clearly contradicts what they say in public.
- wissler, on 07/19/2008, -9/+24They're both socialists.
- neognostic, on 07/18/2008, -5/+19Is it hard to type through those little holes in your white pointy hood?
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -9/+22All they understood during the cold war is Socalist = the bad guys.
- Cwo655321, on 07/19/2008, -4/+16how the ***** do you get racism out of that?
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -3/+15Hey, you know what Stalin really liked?
Secret prisons.
Torture.
Overthrow of sovereign nations.
Unlimited power of the executive.
Spying on his own citizenry.
Rampant militarism.
Unabashed nationalism.
Abandonment of Habeas Corpus.
Who does that sound like? - dpmcalli, on 07/19/2008, -6/+17There are degrees of socialism. Your Fire department and Police department is essentially socialist and I dont think Id want it any other way.
- Guncrazy, on 07/19/2008, -5/+16The headline for this article is so transparently misleading that it's obvious that the original Digger wants you to think that (A) McCain is ignorant of Obama's positions, and (B) that McCain is making vague slurs against Obama, the way Hillary did with the "Is Barack a Muslim" thing.
What McCain ACTUALLY said was, "...[Obama's] voting record...is more to the left than the announced Socialist in the United States Senate, Bernie Sanders of Vermont."
THAT is a statement which can be confirmed or denied by actually checking the facts...but apparently, Obama's disciples and evangelists don't care to do that because hard facts and voting records don't fit in with the intangible campaign platforms of "hope" and "change."
If you want, you can catch the original video at the link below, and judge for yourself. The comment in question is 2:30 from the end.
http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/me ... - bjornski, on 07/19/2008, -1/+12And they didn't know why.
Much like today. - IkeMavent, on 07/19/2008, -5/+15Hey idiots, socialism isn't just a code word for "Bad thing"...there are actual tenets of socialism, and barrack obama actually endorses many of them. Now whether you thinnk that is a bad thing or not is up to you, but barrack obama if not a socialist, certainly has socialist tendencies
- BabushkaBlue, on 07/19/2008, -8/+17This is almost as bad as when Hillary said that "as far as she knew" Obama wasn't a Muslim.
- BeefBaron, on 07/19/2008, -6/+15Knowing the Conservatidiot base, many likely will believe it. They believe in FOX after all.
- madroneDorf, on 07/19/2008, -2/+11The problem is that people think of Socialism and Capitalism as completely mutually exclusive.
Perhaps in Theory they are, but in reality most countries, including the United States are some mix of Socialism and capitalism - bigskank, on 07/19/2008, -3/+12Please don't refer to McCain, Bush, FoxNews, etc... as conservatives. They are NOT conservatives. They are neo-cons. Conservatives were people like Goldwater: Small government, low spending, individual freedom. Neo-cons follow none of those core conservative beliefs.
If we're going to complain about the mischaracterization of our candidate's political ideologies, we need to focus on both sides.
Just like Obama is NOT a socialist, McCain is NOT conservative. - Scheissen, on 07/19/2008, -6/+15Oh yes, government is afraid of socialism because socialism will give them less power...
- gadgetlust, on 07/19/2008, -5/+13Remind me -- why are we supposed to hate socialists again?
- Drewnami, on 07/19/2008, -1/+9I believe he was being sarcastic.
- siamesedream, on 07/19/2008, -7/+15We can't expect the stupidity of the digg masses to know any better, no, but, yes, Obama's policies and ideas are perfectly in line with fundamental tenets of socialism.
Uh-oh, better digg me down for that one, guys! Let's all fear the threat! - unpolloloco, on 07/19/2008, -2/+9Obama is much more socialistic than McCain - McCain's more of a corporatist. Why I'm voting for neither
- bjornski, on 07/19/2008, -0/+7You mean the Queen doesn't pay her share?
I'm shocked.
/kick those royal losers out! - plhofmei, on 07/19/2008, -9/+16Does McCain even understand what Socialism or a Socialist is?
- Garmr, on 07/19/2008, -0/+7..said the tyrant!
- bryanedds, on 07/19/2008, -4/+10"I'm not for all out Socialism, but our society is so complex, that we could afford to implement some socialist based ideas."
In the same way that having two arms allows us to cut one of them off.
Seriously, it's a good idea to learn economics before advocating a system as violently coercive as socialism.
Would you vote to execute a man on trial before even hearing the details of the case? That would be the same as advocating socialism before understanding the consequences of it.
google economics. - WhiteRaven, on 07/19/2008, -3/+9First of all, part of your statement is just surreal. The phrase "regulate the markets to keep the playing field fair, open and free." is absolutely oxymoronic. It is *impossible* for a system to be regulated *and* open and free. And of course, "fair" is a completely subjective goal. I happen to think it is un-fair to penalize the productive and successful.
I see no evidence that individual rights are at all important to progressives while the movements and policies they champion are inimical to those liberties.
Remember, progressives inspired prohibition. Progressives regularly oppose gun rights. Progressives support hate crime laws which seek punish some crimes more harshly based on arbitrary, politically motivated whim. Progressives support discrimination laws that force citizens to associate with people they don't choose to.
Progressives regularly seek to over-rule local control over things like education and the environment.
Progressives seek to use every tool of government (some of which they invent out of whole cloth) to guide society into an ideal form. This is the antithesis of liberty. Progressives regulate car millage. Progressives talk about carbon caps. Progressives have this really fascinating notion that how people choose to support political issues and candidates is somehow not a matter of free speech and is subject to regulation. Progressives don't think a person should be able to decide if people can smoke in their private establishments.
The list is literally endless. I honestly can't think of a single liberty that progressivism hasn't attacked. Traditionally they are credited with being strong on free speech but who is it that talks about how some things are degrading to women or that partisan political speech on the "public airwaves" should be regulated?
Now of course, there are plenty of so-called conservatives that either get dragged along with the progressives or have their own strange notions of what is "right" but the fact remains that there are two basic approaches... hands-on and hands-off. Progressives are hands on and EVERY SINGLE ACTION THEY TAKE REDUCES LIBERTY.
A quick , more on-topic recap. Progressive taxation, talk of "windfall" taxes, regulation on how companies do business such as car mileage requirements and a million other such regulations are all inherently socialistic. They represent governmental control and that is the definition of socialism.
In case you don't know, it is specifically *communism* which is based on governmental ownership of business. That is merely one type of socialism. The Democratic party in America is properly described as fascist... that is, socialism through the imposition of regulation on business and individuals. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -4/+10Obama is very socialistic and McCain is basically a fascist.... which one is worse? Well, given that government is inherently inefficient, wasteful & coercive regardless of who is in there I will vote for neither.... they both suck the big one.
- DreKor, on 07/19/2008, -0/+6But his lawyers seem to know how to do damage control. ***** erased the article. Still down as of 3:34 EST. Anybody got a mirror?
- EmerilLIVE, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6I feel the same way, Dems are Equality > Freedom, Neo-Con's are Security > Freedom. Doesn't anybody want Freedom anymore?
- IpecacNeat, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6Out of context? Seriously?
- bjornski, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5Let's look at his voting record.....
- RomeyRome, on 07/19/2008, -6/+11@bjornski
Get over yourself. Nobody has to work in a factory if they don't want to. You act like you're doing your employer a favor by working for them. They gave you a price, you took it. STFU or do something more meaningful.
What do you want? $50k to push rivets all day? This country needs to stop rewarding mediocracy & failure. All this ***** stems from little *****-heads growing up and having standards lowered to meet their capabilities. How ***** up is that? Now idiots are coming out of high school looking for $40k/yr, and when reality hits, they want a handout. But by then they already have 3 kids. - kipmartin, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6i dont know if McCain is a pedophile.
- Russellk30, on 07/19/2008, -2/+7Sorry to tell you guy, but your implication that we live in a free society right now is a little false. Those "things" some of us fear have come true because we are already a socialist society. It takes the average American over half a year of labor to pay off his/her share of government. More government spending = more socialism. When was the last time the size of government/spending was reduced?
- anti-net, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5He's not.
- A socialist. - DevilInPgh, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5Center for American Progress lawyers asked the site to take the article down. Not sure why. It's not as if it's endorsing one candidate over another, just stating a quote.
- Kevin108, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5The Libertarians and the Ron Paul Repubs.
- hockeyplayer66, on 07/19/2008, -3/+8Can you prove McCain isn't senile or has Alzheimer Disease. His comments are public and documented and certainly point in that direction.
- locojones, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5Don't forget that he has no idea how to use a computer, doesn't understand the difference between Sunni and Shiite, and didn't even know that Czechoslovakia isn't even a country anymore.
- WhiteRaven, on 07/19/2008, -15/+20It depends on what you mean by "is a socialist". And I'm not trying to be cute. If the question is "Does Obama think of himself as a socialist" or "Is he or has he ever been a member of a self-described socialist party or organization" the answer is probably no.
If the question is "Does Obama support policies and ideals that match those of socialism" the answer is obviously yes. Socialism is the control of the economy (and by necessary extension the people) by the state. Pretty much every vote Obama has made in his life that deals with the subject of governmental control and influence has been to increase that control. Therefore, he is a socialist whether Obama himself sees it that way or not.
Of course, the fact of the matter is that a hell of a lot of people in America are socialists. This is why the Democratic party is mainstream.
Socialism is only a bad thing if you happen to value liberty. Well that and if you happen to notice that governmental bureaucracy is an inherently ineffective method of accomplishing anything and should only be utilized for those things which are absolutely impossible to achieve any other way. - theutopian, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5You're deluded if you think charities give away more than they take in. The goal of a charity is it's perpetuation, the salaries of its execs, the loads of money they spend on facilities are parties, the tax shelter it provides it's donators. Charities are just as big a waste of money. The United Way is a great example of this, the Red Cross is ten times worse. Big lumbering behemoths who do little good but are great at prolonging their existence.
- RomeyRome, on 07/19/2008, -0/+41) If you have no drive & ***** around half your life, don't look to me for help.
2) Majority can't take care of themselves?
3) See 1.
4) And when they all move to Dubai? Since majority of people can't take care of themselves (according to you), are the poor going to be feeding the poor? -
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