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McCain Embraces 16-Month Withdrawal: I Think its Pretty Good
thinkprogress.org — But in an interview with CNN ’s Wolf Blitzer today, McCain seemed to endorse the idea of a timetable. When asked if Maliki would “persist” in requesting a 16-month withdrawal timetable from Iraq, McCain responded, “He won’t. … I know him.” McCain then praised Maliki’s 16-month timetable.
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- DyceFreak, on 07/26/2008, -3/+23yea... EMBRACES? more like he STOLE A BETTER OPINION, which he probably doesn't plan on following... he'll just flip flop that later too.
- koft, on 07/26/2008, -2/+6and lets not forget flop flipping. When McCain isn't talking about how muslim extremists love to cut people heads off and posting the images on the net, he's rewording talking points from Obama's speeches.
- QuadZeroRoute, on 07/26/2008, -5/+2Very short collection of flip flops as you can see. Omits FISA terrorist surveillance flip flop and new Iraq flip flop:
http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/06/collect ... - Yookji, on 07/26/2008, -3/+5Both McCain and Obama are good politicians, and thus will flip flop, lie, mudsling and do whatever else it takes to win. They're both bad choices.
McCain’s flourishing flip-flop list:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111 ...
Top Obama Flip-Flops:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ... - superkendall, on 07/26/2008, -4/+5Why? McCain has never given an explicit timeframe, only that he'd pull back troops as conditions warranted. So by saying 16 months, he's just saying that looking at conditions as they are it seems resonable.
And of course, the fact we can get out as soon as 16 months without Iraq falling apart is fully thanks to the surge McCain supported. It's never been about exactly when we get out, isntead who makes wise choices when the pressure is on. McCain chose correctly when all advice said to run, and Obama just went with the crowd.- carterartist, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2what you are already forgetting is how McCain has always said previously was that timetables shouldn't be discussed. He's lambasted it every time. that's the point.
- homercles337, on 07/27/2008, -1/+4That ***** worked for the repugs. I can tell you right now that it will NOT work for McSame's demographic. When will the dems realize that they are not the same smear machine that the repugs are. Dems are mere amateurs compared to the repugs when it comes to this sort of thing.
- Stevanoski, on 07/25/2008, -25/+14McCain rejects 'audacity of hopelessness' for Iraq. Obama's policies - he opposed sending more troops to Iraq in the "surge" that McCain supported - would have led to defeat there and in Afghanistan.
"We rejected the audacity of hopelessness, and we were right," McCain said,
And that is the reason we can pull out in 16 months. Thank you John McCain for standing firm on the surge so now we can safely pull out. He is going to make a good president after all.- qdkk, on 07/26/2008, -5/+19what???
- avrygoodfrnd, on 07/26/2008, -7/+7he's the one who's been making such a big fuss this whole time about how we can't put a timetable for withdrawal, and that barack obama proposing to do so shows that barack doesn't have neough military experience...
- Elvaanish, on 07/26/2008, -2/+11Hey, look at that! Someone IS buying Mcain's BS!
- jdenzer, on 07/26/2008, -1/+7If the surge is such a great success, lets see how long it will take President McCain to bring the troops home.
Something tells me it won't be for another 100 years. Who was it who said that? Like McCain I forget. - PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2Stevanoski,
Are you for real??
"Obama's policies - he opposed sending more troops to Iraq in the "surge" that McCain supported - would have led to defeat there and in Afghanistan."
You do realize that McCain attacked Obama after his visit in Iraq where Maliki told him that he wanted troops out in 20 months, and McCain said that Obama wanted to admit defeat in Iraq and "run into" Afghanistan. McCain was attacking Obama for wanting to FOCUS ON AFGHANISTAN, and Pakistan. To put our military strength against the people who attacked us on 9/11.
McCain hasn't said that Obama wants defeat in Afghanistan, he only claimed Obama wants us to be defeated in Iraq.
I don't watch Fox News. Is that what they are saying on Fox News? Are they trying to say that Obama wants defeat in Afghanistan?
Because, I hate to break it to you, McCain wants to ignore Afghanistan, and Obama wants to address that country, as well as Pakistan, and he knows that we had to remove forces from our war against the people who attacked us in order to go into and support an occupation in Iraq
You should stop limiting your information to the sources you feel support your ideas and maybe begin to be intellectually honest, and get your news from the entire universe of news sources.
You wouldn't look as stupid if you got your news from a broad spectrum of media.
- soot, on 07/26/2008, -4/+15Haha, wow. What a difference a week abroad and a little feedback from P.M. Maliki makes.
- zacharytelschow, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1McCain said a 16 month timeline seems appropriate based on conditions on the ground. This is in stark contrast to where Obama stands (a fixed timeline based on, as McCain said, political expediency).
- benroy, on 07/26/2008, -12/+94I wish John McCain's dad had pulled out earlier too.
- damian7, on 07/26/2008, -0/+17That's what she said. [McCain's mother]
- infinitus64, on 07/26/2008, -0/+7that is all they had back then him being conceived in the stone age.
- damian7, on 07/26/2008, -0/+9Dinosaur condoms cost nearly one sabretooth tiger a piece...
- MOJIRA, on 07/26/2008, -0/+3I don't. We'd probably have Romney running against Obama in that case.
- LeeJunFan, on 07/27/2008, -1/+3So, 2 DIFFERENT lying crooks who want to sell out America, we're ***** either way.
- DemDude, on 08/02/2008, -0/+1I don't think pulling out has been invented yet back then.
- damian7, on 07/26/2008, -0/+17That's what she said. [McCain's mother]
- charm803, on 07/26/2008, -9/+9He's trying really hard to get his own versions of Bushisms!
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2He's just trying really hard, at this point.
- Babblin5, on 07/26/2008, -10/+11flopping like a fish out of water... a really, really old fish....
- JigoroKano, on 07/26/2008, -7/+22Fortunately for McCain, American voters don't follow politics and his aura of foreign policy experience will likely drown out his reality of ignorance.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1He was a POW.
He must know all about everything, and did I mention, he was a POW.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1He was a POW.
- bmaggiemay, on 07/26/2008, -5/+24Is McCain's campaign so stupid they can't come up with their own buzz words.......they haven't had an original one yet. They are a bunch of old farts trying to elect another old fart. When McCain lost the nomination to Bush in 2000, the writing was on the wall, but McCain's eyesight and hearing was so far gone he didn't get the message. For a guy who'd been running for elective office for TWENTY SIX YEARS, he hasn't learned one valuable lesson. That make him dangerous.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1They can do whatever they want.
They know how to use robocalls and direct mailings. They can target enough of the right people in order to get elected.
That is why he has even gotten this far.
In 2000, when he was really running as a maverick and a force of change, he didn't stand a chance.
Now McCain has made his deal with the neocons, after he met with GW Bush in 2006, and they will make sure that the same 28% vote him into office that voted Bush into office.
UNLESS WE CAN GET MORE THAN 50% OF THE VOTING AGE PEOPLE TO VOTE!!!
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1They can do whatever they want.
- Labyrinth336, on 07/26/2008, -6/+1The Dude Abides...
- 2clone, on 07/26/2008, -10/+19Didn't Obama say the same thing like a week ago?
McCain is Obamas parrot. - warlax27, on 07/26/2008, -6/+1He's doin....better?
- HappyScrappy, on 07/26/2008, -5/+15Flipper McCain
- extersee, on 07/26/2008, -10/+1McCain can be Obama's baby mama. *****
- Autodidaddict, on 07/26/2008, -6/+6I'm embracing a 4 month timetable of having to continually hear John McCain's asinine and out-of-touch opinions
- simplyintricate, on 07/28/2008, -6/+13McCain eats Flip Flops for breakfast, lunch, AND most importantly, dinner.
- DetpackJump, on 07/26/2008, -6/+3I hope everyone already researched the candidates, because between now and the election, they're both going to sit in the middle and agree with anything that is popular. Anything they say now will have little to do with their actual policies once they get elected.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1They have both made their rounds at CFR, The Trilateral Commission, American Enterprise Institute, and other establishment groups.
They know who has power, and they know it isn't the people.
If you're an apologist, you should feel great to know that either candidate will continue the corporatist agenda.
If you're a person who lives in this country, you should want something else, something different, but you should also know that it isn't going to happen.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1They have both made their rounds at CFR, The Trilateral Commission, American Enterprise Institute, and other establishment groups.
- crazyjake, on 07/26/2008, -4/+2416 months is just a bit shy of his 100 year plan.
- heliox, on 07/26/2008, -14/+5He never said it would take 100 years. Way to drink the kool-aid.
- AchaIemoipas, on 07/26/2008, -2/+9http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk
- ShadowFox06, on 07/26/2008, -3/+3You are right. Things McCain says shouldn't be taken as truth. Staying in Iraq for a 100 years shouldn't be taken truthfully or that a withdrawal by 2020 as truthfully or a withdrawal by 2013 as truthfully but this new timetable of 16-months should.
Thanks for clearing that up. - CobaltBlue, on 07/26/2008, -2/+6After watching the above linked video, heliox, it sounds like you are the one drinking the kool-aid.
- stagmire, on 07/26/2008, -2/+0"He never said it would take 100 years"
No, he just said he didn't care if it did. - heliox, on 07/26/2008, -4/+2I've seen the video, and just watched it again.
My comment stands. - KJSatz, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2McCain in that 100 years clip is saying that he wants US troops to stay in Iraq until it is fully stabilized, and then they can stay after that too to make sure it's stabilized.
McCain today in this story is saying that he likes a timetable for withdrawal now that Iraq is fully stabilized (not that it is).
Contradiction.
- heliox, on 07/26/2008, -14/+5He never said it would take 100 years. Way to drink the kool-aid.
- JR__, on 07/26/2008, -2/+13Can't we come up with a term other than "flip-flop"? Just curious.
- Simus, on 07/26/2008, -3/+18How about bold faced liar?
- heliox, on 07/26/2008, -3/+1flop-flip
phlip-phlop - JR__, on 07/26/2008, -2/+4"How about bold faced liar?"
Perfect.- QuadZeroRoute, on 07/26/2008, -5/+2OK then bold faced liar:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/when_is_oba ... - charm803, on 07/26/2008, -0/+6Old faced liar.
More accurate.
- QuadZeroRoute, on 07/26/2008, -5/+2OK then bold faced liar:
- ShadowFox06, on 07/26/2008, -2/+1Why don't you enlighten us all of a new phrase to use if you feel it's being repeated too much.
- wisefool9, on 07/26/2008, -5/+2Flippy Mcfloppy
- erkokite, on 07/26/2008, -0/+4I actually usually refer to them as sandals.
- Hax0rJimDuggan, on 07/26/2008, -1/+916 months to withdraw? It only takes me a few seconds.
- Depthfunction, on 07/26/2008, -6/+17It sounds like Obama is right on schedule:
1. They ignore you
2. They ridicule you
3. They fight you
4. You win
It looks like Obama is now making the transition from #3 to #4.- Yookji, on 07/26/2008, -3/+3I don't recall Obama being ignored or ridiculed by the media.
- lordcrimmeh, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2Remember a year ago when the assumption was it would DEFINITELY be clinton? yeah....
Also, this is in relation to a specific issue. Instead of praising his victory (Maliki's endorsement of plan) they ignore it as long as they can, then they ridicule it on shallow points, then they fight it with lies as best as they can, and they he wins. - carterartist, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1really? what about "fist bump", "baby's mamma", the idea that his pastor is his words (Wright), the idea that "if he mispeaks while abroad" (even though it was McCain who mispoke against his "platform" of being an expert on foreign policy and yet it got edited to save his face.
Also, Since McCain is so complaining about the media ignoring him, what about the independants running? The media is ignoring them everyday. And one last bit, if McCain wanted the media not to ignore him, maybe he shouldn't ignore them like he did to the reporter from Wall Street Journal.
- lordcrimmeh, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2Remember a year ago when the assumption was it would DEFINITELY be clinton? yeah....
- countmischief, on 07/26/2008, -3/+3Obama has never been ignored (case and point: cover of time magazine with title: The next president? before even announcing his presidency)
Obama is seldom ridiculed, this is self-explanitory; he's made so many gaffes most of which are ignored completely
Of course the other side will fight Obama thats the point of an election retard.
Obama isn't going to win come November, of course you'll have to be patient to see why.- LBobRife, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Oh ye of little memory. Can you really not remember the race before any of the primaries had been done?
- tehsilentcircus, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1"Obama isn't going to win come November ... "
Yes he is.
I hope you have a craving for hat, because it's gonna be the only thing on the menu.
- NiceToMEETyou, on 07/27/2008, -0/+0Since when is Obama Mahatma Gandhi?
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776
- Yookji, on 07/26/2008, -3/+3I don't recall Obama being ignored or ridiculed by the media.
- spamcrusher, on 07/26/2008, -9/+3I believe this is about the fourth time this has hit Digg's front page. No need for more, thank you.
- DeFex, on 07/26/2008, -0/+7he says he does, probably a lie though.
- lexington86, on 07/26/2008, -4/+13You know... 16 months... 100 years... it's all about the same to me.
- Disregard, on 07/26/2008, -1/+3They're both improbably far in the future when you're older than Mr Burns.
- smcnow, on 07/26/2008, -11/+4This is not a flip flop. What he's saying is 16 months is a great (fantasy) time table, but conditions on the ground are not right for starting the clock. I don't favor all of his opinion's but come on, give the guy some credit.
- Jamihabs, on 07/26/2008, -12/+3This is yet another example of how liberals are too stupid to be trusted with power. Obama says 16 months, no matter what the conditions are or what the ramifications may be. McCain says withdraw must be conditions biased and that 16 months may be good if conditions allow, and liberals do not see the difference.
- obelisky, on 07/26/2008, -3/+4'liberals'... so when is the GED exam again?
- MillionsLivio, on 07/26/2008, -1/+6How can you see the world in black and white like that? I mean come on, "liberals are too stupid to be trusted with power".. the world is not "conservative" and "liberal", I pity you.
- Deadpixel1221, on 07/26/2008, -2/+2He's gone all topsy-turvy on us, Guv'nor.
- digitallysick, on 07/26/2008, -3/+4so this begs the question what is the difference between Obama and McCain now?? Obama voted for visa, McCain skipped the vote , I feel like obama sold me out. McCain is a flip flopping douche , he seems to go with whatever idea is popular at the time. I give up, i wish ron paul was president. Or Dennis Kucinich
- revisrev, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4Obama knows the difference between sunni and shiite... and he has been on the internet.
- StGhurka, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2And he kinda knows which committees he's on and how many states there are.
- scoottie, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2there is no difference tbh
- revisrev, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4Obama knows the difference between sunni and shiite... and he has been on the internet.
- londubh, on 07/26/2008, -1/+7He's lying.
- insanebrain, on 07/26/2008, -0/+4no ***** . .
- userperson, on 07/26/2008, -1/+3Yes, he IS a politician.
- libertarian418, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1please realize that Obama is a politician too....
*crosses fingers* ....(sigh) why do I wast my time. - userperson, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1@libertarian418
The other half of my point (despite popular interpretations to the contrary).
I suspect your time loss could perhaps be related to my own.
- libertarian418, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1please realize that Obama is a politician too....
- crackberri, on 07/26/2008, -11/+4Republicans would like them out next month, if conditions would allow it. What a bunch stupid Demotards..
- obelisky, on 07/26/2008, -1/+6you are clever. or the opposite.
- KJSatz, on 07/27/2008, -1/+3I think the Republicans are making too much money off of it....
- MillionsLivio, on 07/26/2008, -6/+5We have had a complete failure of a president in office that completely raped our rights, lied to us to get us into a ***** war, put us in the predicament we are in now, and has held an approval below 30% ... for two terms. Now we have a presidential candidate that wants to carry on the same ***** that we have had to endure and there are people that actually support this man, this sickens me. McCain will say anything to get elected and it is truly sad that anyone actually believes him. This is pathetic.
- Tyrghast, on 07/26/2008, -3/+4Is he coming to his senses or is this latest flip flop a last ditch attempt for media coverage?
- BobScratchit, on 07/26/2008, -3/+2Welcome to the club John. I don't understand why a timetable idea is constantly being resisted. If you are eventually going to end a war on victorious circumstances, you'd think that planning a withdrawal is the only way to go. Having no planned timetable at all is something that the losers of a war would have to resort to. IMO we won this war within a week after it started.
- JoeVet, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2Everything after the first week has been nation building and policing a civil war. What a waste of American lives and American money.
- diggstech, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1I think we lost the war the day after we entered Baghdad with no plan to provide stability or security. The war has been a complete failure and the "surge" needed to try and salvage a way out from problems we created. In the near term, it seems clear the Iraqi people want us to leave, and since Maliki will eventually have to run for president directly as opposed to being appointed by his party, he needs to be seen as getting us out. A timetable makes sense if want want to leave with the illusion that we won, so we won't be there when the Iraqis finally elect Sadr as their president cause that's going to be when it finally sinks in to all those morons worrying about "losing the war" that we wasted 4000 lives, tens of thousands of severely wounded, and more than a trillion dollars to make Muqtada al-Sadr the president of Iraq. I would laugh if it were not so terribly sad.
- zalston, on 07/26/2008, -4/+6Ha! What a joke. He should just say Obama is right and drop out.
- Kahnza, on 07/26/2008, -3/+4Its a con. Get other people to think it was your idea in the first place.
- f821, on 07/26/2008, -2/+3Double Speak at it's finest.
- scoottie, on 07/26/2008, -3/+2"But they have to be based on conditions on the ground"
not real a change of stance. he was asked if thought maliki thought i t was a good timetable. he said he thought maliki it was good timetable and that if things keep going the way they are it seems like a good timetable. but he still wont set a specific date for withdrawl like the democrats want. if the conditions arent met then mccain wouldnt pull out of iraq in 16 months, but if they met in 16 months he will pull out. obama on the other hand seems to want to pull out in 16 months even if its the right thing to do or not.
a timetable is just that a table of goals that if met at a certain time will move you on to the next. no matter if mcain or obama are right the US troops need to leave there no sooner and no later than the Iraq troops are ready to take over. - userperson, on 07/26/2008, -4/+3Forget both of these jokers -- Immediate withdrawal.
- pkarpenko, on 07/26/2008, -3/+4Obama's fact-finding mission succeeds in challenging long-held idiotic positions!! For McCain ...
- evilgourmet, on 07/26/2008, -3/+3Flip flop or not, McCain is an *****.
- nastronomical, on 07/26/2008, -11/+5* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check- OldJesser, on 07/26/2008, -2/+4* Source for all these accusations - Che....oh wait.
- tehsilentcircus, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1* Clearly making ***** up based on your own subjective opinions - Check
This is just typical neo-con ***** and you know it. If that is not what you are (a neo-con), you should stop going around and acting like it.
Just knock it off already. ... all of it.
- Revovisionary, on 07/26/2008, -2/+2I'm glad that there is no longer a debate about keeping troops in Iraq. We've been there much longer then we should have been.
- gumble112, on 07/27/2008, -1/+3"But they have to be based on conditions on the ground."
Hello???
McCain would come into office and determine the situation on the ground and depending on how well things are going he would make a decision for removing troops. And the only reason this would be considered is because McCain supported the surge which helped turn things around and put the mission on a course for victory.
Obama would come into office and immediately order a removal of US troops. He has said he wouldn't use US troops to stop acts of genocide in Iraq or elsewhere, which is something that could have happened if his withdrawal plan was implented back in 2007 that called for a removal of US combat troops by March 2008.
He opposed the surge to begin with. He said it wouldn't work and rather would make things worse. His campaign then lied about Obama's judgment on the surge when it was becoming clear things were getting better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4vlBgh7KLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7e4uL95x1Y
And just recently, he said he would still oppose the surge even knowing what he knows now:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5417331&pa ...
"So far this month, five U.S. troops have been killed in combat, compared with 78 U.S. deaths last July. Attacks across the country are down more than 80 percent. Still, when asked if knowing what he knows now, he would support the surge, the senator said no.
"These kinds of hypotheticals are very difficult," he said. "Hindsight is 20/20. But I think that what I am absolutely convinced of is, at that time, we had to change the political debate because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one that I just disagreed with, and one that I continue to disagree with -- is to look narrowly at Iraq and not focus on these broader issues."
Translation: '***** no! Of course I wouldn't have supported the surge at the time even if I knew it would improve things. My hopes to becoming the Democratic Presidential nominee depended on opposing the surge and Bush. My political ambitions are greater than the security situation in Iraq! What a silly question.'
A McCain decision to remove troops in Iraq will keep in mind having a stable, functioning Iraq and hence a successful American mission.
An Obama decision to remove troops will be based on placating his anti-war base and his political aspirations even it means an Iraq that descends into chaos and falls apart. - vexingmodstwo, on 07/27/2008, -3/+5No matter how many times you digg a story about this liberal-fabricated flip flip that doesn't exist, it will not gain traction. McCain has been saying that the withdrawal would be based on conditions on the ground in Iraq and answered the question asked (unlike the other candidate) which noted a particular scenario. Sorry. This one's a non-starter for you. BURIED.
- JoeVet, on 07/27/2008, -3/+2Remind me why we are fighting in Iraq. We have never been given a plausible goal by anyone in our government. What have 4000 died to achieve? Were we that afraid of a two bit dictator in a third world country that we needed to spend one half TRILLION dollars to decimate a sandbox? Its nice that McCain is now siding with Obama but it would have been so much better is he had sided with him in 2003.
- itchie, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3So that we have dibs on their oil, a staging area in the middle east, and that they don't decide to use the euro instead of the dollar for their oil.
- JoeVet, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1I understand that all this talk about Iran is only about oil. Iran borders the oil rich Caspian sea and the U.S. army has been war gaming threats to that region for decades. Iraq however was, by all the rhetoric, simply a crusade to convert the Muslims to a more western culture.The idea being to first convert an easy country like Iraq and then move to Iran and Syria next. That, and the fact that "they tried to kill [his] daddy".
- itchie, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3So that we have dibs on their oil, a staging area in the middle east, and that they don't decide to use the euro instead of the dollar for their oil.
- itchie, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1I would love it if for once, us the people, actually hold those that serve us to their word.
- oselznick, on 07/27/2008, -2/+3Doesn't the media ever write about how Republicans, esp. Bush, copy Obama's ideas and act like they thought of them? Today Bush signs the Aids thing which he has had for 5 years (Obama recently talked about funding Aids research if he's elected), Bush & McCain are talking withdrawing troops from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan (Obama has been saying that almost a full year) and now McCain's saying 16 months, (Obama has been saying that a year).
I cannot understand how anyone could possibly vote for McCain, who doesn't seem to be able to remember anything without some Iago whispering facts in his ear (like Lieberman, or the devil Gramm, or Cindy the baker). And doesn't anyone remember the scandal of the Keating Five in California, of which McCain was a part, where rich guys like him ripped off poor old people? And Phil Gramm was one of the authors of a bill which resulted in today's high gas prices plus also a bill benefiting banks and screwing the people.
At least Obama is very intelligent, young, charismatic enough to earn the U.S.A. the world's respect (which we haven't had for years). I'd much rather vote for a decent man I don't know a lot about, than a questionable character I know too much about. - diggenerate, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3I wouldn't buy this crap if it were free, his campaign managers have probably advised him that this is what the people want, however once he's in office(not likely) he'll change his mind. Don't believe one word that comes out of this scums mouth.
- TheCaptainZilog, on 07/28/2008, -1/+0MakiMaki is nothing more than a Canuckistani DOUCHEBAG.
Keep your AMERICAN political comments to yourself, you ignorant *****.
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