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- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -10/+49Marriage, gay or straight, should not have anything to do with the government. People were getting married before this country existed. Why are people OK with the government taking it over. I can understand when people get pissed about the government changing marriage... they have no right to control it. Marriage was originally a religious concept, so i can understand when people get mad when the government says its gonna change something from their religion.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Do you really need someone to explain to you how this website works?
- justinjacobs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Just to piss you off.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24The government has to be involved in marriage because of a whole host of issues from power of attorney to inheritance to joint filing. Since that's the case, gay couples should be able to get married just like anyone else.
30 years from now we're going to look back at this era the same way we look back at the 1950s now. Those who oppose gay marriage will take their rightful place in history next to their fellow bigots who opposed the civil rights movement and women's suffrage. - enderu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I'd guess because it's political news and this is in the political news category...but that's just a guess.
- tylerdurdenclub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19It's disturbing because, as everyone knows who watches the Daily Show, gay couples enjoy drinking each others urine.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18"On top of that, why should I have to pay for school taxes?"
I don't drive, why should my federal tax dollars fund road construction? I didn't get robbed this year, why should I have to pay for law enforcement? No fires this year, ***** those firemen.
Taxes aren't a smorgasboard where you get to pick and choose what you want to pay for. Can you even begin to imagine the massive bureaucracy that would be required to oversee a system like that? Just paying for that would easily eat up any savings you might incur by not having to pay your property taxes. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19@killinger777
You're getting modded down and I don't know why. I think you are correct, I don't know why the government is getting involved in something that should be primarily a religious thing, and I thought the Republicans favored smaller government. - coyforce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Didn't you go to school? Who paid for that?
- psyaeger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The power of Conservative Evangelicals and Catholics to vilify gay people in church remains a gigantic obstacle to the Gay Lesbian Civil Rights Movement and specifically when it comes to same-sex marriage rights.
Every Sunday whole communities (especially children) are indoctrinated with implicitly and explicitly dehumanizing views of gay human beings. As a thirty-something gay man living in the South, I have heard with my own ears completely false inaccurate hateful immoral irresponsible sermons given about the 'true nature of gay people'. These sermons pretend to be compassionate but always boil down to supremacist ideology advocating our segregation away from the 'healthy majority'. Don't believe me? Walk into any Conservative Evangelical church or go to their websites. Now compare what they have to say about gay people with what the overwhelming majority of gay people say about themselves: Just as with straights, our sexuality is innate and permanent. Love, regardless of the body parts involved, is decent and noble and good for society.
Gay people are currently living in a country that mostly refuses to treat us as the fully human equal contributing citizens that we are. That's scandalous. Shameful. Immoral. Sick. Also, think about the phrase 'Sanctity of Marriage'. That phrase, though used by millions here in America, is no less putrid and vile than was the phrase 'Purity of Race'. Both posit the idea that one group of people are inferior to the majority and should be segregated - not allowed to muddy the purity or sanctity of the status quo.
History, as mentioned previously here, will not look kindly on those who participated in the repression of gay people or remained silent in the presence of bigotry and ignorance. Instead, it is for each of us to confront preachers and ministers who continue to spread ignorant, completely false, barbaric, medieval, misinformed, dishonest views about gay people. We are neither sick nor sinful for being gay. We are as nature made us. In fact, these conservative priests and preachers ought to be picketed all over the country and challenged any Sunday they choose to preach their immoral anti-gay sermons.
Gay marriage may not come for all gay people in the USA in my lifetime, but we can start taking the names of each and every one of the people who choose to vilify and dehumanize us. Thankfully, this has already begun. Some groups are now making public the names of people who sign anti-gay marriage petitions in various states.Check out http://knowthyneighbor.org/ and see if your on any of the lists. I'm sure your gay friends, family, neighbors, coworkers and fellow parishioners already have. - greymaxcat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I am marred...
Gay or strait, I advise against it... - candiru, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Not much justice. Government is using an outdated system that artificially attempts to keep a nation's birth rate up and its population on a steady increase.
- popezaphod, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Marriage isn't about religion or beliefs. It's about property, inheritance, and custody of children. If you're religiously or morally against gay marriage, then don't belong to a church that performs them. Gay marriage isn't going to lessen the value of heterosexual marriage (since all hetero marriages never end in divorce and there's no such thing as adultery, right?) and it isn't going to open the door for beastiality, polygamy, or whatever other stupid argument the Religious Right uses to argue against legalizing marriage.
And as Margaret Cho said, any country that would deny a gay man the right to a bridal registry is a fascist state. :) - xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Why do you have such idolatry towards the founders of the country. They were human with limited insight like you and I.
- addictivepixels, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Bravo. Simply Bravo. Others may not agree; but, I feel now other people of the world my no longer stop viewing the US as a backwards hick-powered bush land. (Don't get me wrong, I do love this country [just not its leader]) Now, this isn't anything like universal health care for all, but, it is a step in a positive direction, especially towards open-mindedness. I can't express how refreshing it is to actually see this line of thinking becoming more embraced in the US as some other counties.
- C0demaster, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Marriage may have started out as a religous term but it doesn't hold the same meaning it once did. This shouldn't even be an issue anyways since its a basic human right.
Marriages recognized by the state and common-law marriage have been around for a long time and no one cared about that. It shouldn't be any different for homosexuals. - galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5" If it's a political statement, then it's misguided."
Care to explain why? - drunkclam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8uhh, married heterosexuals get tax breaks all the time, why the hell shouldn't homosexuals get the same rights? The 4th Amendment garuntess equal protection under the law. You are born gay, there is nothing you can do about it. If gays don't get to marry, then marriage itself ought to be declared unconstitutional.
- xlocust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5One unspoken rule in digg: Don't Complain about being dugg down.
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Religious was and remains a religious thing. This gay couple can be religiously married ( in whatever religion approves of that ). The thing is, if they do that, they won't get the tax breaks for being married, and they won't get the health benefits for being married ( married couples are allowed to see their spouses in the hospital, etc ).
- Promantarius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think you were dugg down because your comment didn't entirely make a lot of sense when reading it the first time around.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I don't know how math works in your world, but here on Earth 90% does not equal 100%. And in any case that's not really the point of what I posted.
- galore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"but there was certainly a better way for you to word that without bringing religion into it."
Why? It is always the religious types who hate gay people and want to forbid civil marriage. So they are fair game. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"I don't drive, why should my federal tax dollars fund road construction?"
http://www.cleveland.com/sun/sun/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1158252646230950.xml&coll=3
"federal gas tax, which pays for 90 percent of federal surface transportation funding"
if you dont drive you dont pay the gas taxes - kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sorry but I'm just reporting what I know to be true. The Catholic church is once again trying to exert its influence in the political arena. In my view, Catholics are no better than Muslims. I'm pretty much against all the monotheistic religions.
My life is my life to live as I see fit. If any church wants to influence law, let them pay the same price that I do. Tax them. - wildthing202200, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A bit off topic but Mass. has a near-universal health care(wikipedia), goes to show that Mass. is the least backwards state in the union.
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, you are wrong about Christianity not condoning Gay marriage. While it does remain controversial in many sects, there are several bona-fide Christian churches that condone Gay marriage, and are ready to perform the ceremony. You are right about the civil aspect though. Legal and religious unions should be made distinct.
As far as your threat of logical annihilation goes... I think I sense a pon farr coming on. ;^) - fishsoda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You have to pay for school taxes because you participate in a society where you benefit from the education other's receive as well as the education that you already received. Requiring you to pay taxes can be justified in many ways.
Don't want to pay taxes to support schools? Great, you are welcome to leave the country and live somewhere where the general population receives no education. - shortarabguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Okay, here are the two problems:
1st( religion): Naturally, Christianity does not condone homosexual *marriage* because they define it as heterosexual( between a man and a woman).
2nd( legal): The United States is going through a bit of a wave of anti-gay legislation in the form of banning homosexual *civil union*. I use the term "civil union" because nobody should give a rat's about marriage, as it doesn't make any legal difference. Civil union, on the other hand, is what gives a couple joint rights... The kinds of rights that homosexuals, in my humble opinion, deserve just as much as heterosexual couples deserve.
And for the love of God, if you mention a societal breakdown as a result of allowing homosexual civil union, I'll destroy you with logic. I'm sorry to make stupid threats like that, but I'm very tired and would rather not bring things up unless someone's foolish enough to claim that society would degrade if we allowed homosexual civil unions or even "gay marriage". The threat is my way of asking you not to mention it because the logic is just wrong. - SirCharge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm just curious as to whether the Rhode Island state government will now recognize that couple as wed for tax reasons or otherwise.
- greymaxcat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Come on people, the important question is "were they a HOT lesbian couple?"....
- galore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, because heterosexuals never:
Fist
Have anal intercourse
Have oral sex
or do any of the other "perversions" you mention.
The only difference between ***** and heteros when it comes to sex is that the engaged people have the same sex organs.
You are living in la-la land, if you think that straight people only have sex to deposit the semen in the uterus and make a baby.
They romp in the same variety as gay people. I would not be surprised if your mother has a strap on and gives it to your dad through his ass or if your dad licked your moms labia after he shoved his fist up her vagina.
But then, I don't care what they do in bed. And neither should you be allowed to care about if a gay couple gets off with golden showers. Maybe even your parents (or maybe you even enjoy that? - you sound like one of those moral republicans and we know how honest those are) are into this? - schwit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3How does government add value to marriages or the marital institution? What can a married couple do that an unmarried couple can't do? children, joint ownership of property, medical benefits, etc.
Also, it seems that providing one group of people with an advantage because they agree to participated in an inherently religious institution seems to violate church-state separation. - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Dugg for the Freudian slip.
- rj686, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@sevenofsix
maybe "95%" of pedophiles in the clergy are homosexual priests but in the population generally the majority of sexual assaults of children are by heterosexual males who already knew their victims (this is when the victims are both male and female) - galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LOL, sevenof6:
"WOW, Galore you must be a homosexual with a perverted mind like that."
May I remind you that you decided to start with:
" Go to a leather bar sometime watch a guy getting fisted in a swing and tell me I'm wrong."
And now I am the one with perverse fantasies? I have never seen a guy getting fisted in a leather bar. Apparently you've been in one and witnessed that "perversion"? Pot. Kettle.
"Stay away from my kids, and kids in general"
No problem for me to stay away from spawn of people like you. Ha.Ha.Ha. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"It's amazing how piss-poor our test scores are compared to the rest of the world. I, for one, do not see why taxpayer dollars should fund the NEA."
Those other countries you're referring to, the ones with better test scores? The government runs those systems too. There's a problem, but the mere fact that the institution is associated with the government isn't it. - DennisPwnsj00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because it's not a legal marriage in Rhode Island, and I think that it's not legal for an out of state couple to marry. But I might be wrong on the last part.
Anyways, according to the Defense of Mariage Act, which Bill Clinton signed, no state is required to recognize homosexual marriages from another state.
From Wikipedia:
The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the United States Constitution obligates states to give "Full Faith and Credit ... to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State." The Effects Clause (Art IV, ยง 1) grants Congress the authority to "prescribe...the Effect" which the laws of one state have in another.
The law has two effects.
1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need recognize a marriage between persons of the same sex, even if the marriage was concluded or recognized in another state.
2. The Federal Government may not recognize same-sex or polygamous marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states. - psyaeger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1well said galore.
sevenofsix's ignorance about human sexuality and especially heterosexual human sexuality is laughable ... the confidence with which sevenofsix spews misinformed outlandish inaccurate accusations against all gay people is simply disgusting but then sevenofsix is really no different than the smugly arrogant white supremacists spewing their evil pronouncements against all non-white races not too long ago.
(As for Christians, any conservative legalistic evangelical or catholic using the bible to paint gay human beings as unwelcome need to be slapped. the ten commandments says that any who work on the sabbath are to be stoned to death. other passages say that those who remarry after divorce will not have a positive afterlife... no exceptions ... the chapter immediately after the ten commandments gives guidance to slave owners ... simply put: much of the bible is repulsive, barbaric, cruel, immoral.) - frosted, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The 1st amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
By banning gay marriage the amendment must be changed to read:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion unless such religion prohibits people of the same gender from exercising marriage rights, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech except when the public media is involved, or of the press unless national or personal security of an elected representative is at risk; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble unless it is in movement against governmental public policy, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances unless we decide otherwise. - BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Government education is absolutely worthless. It's a joke, and you all know it.
@fishsoda
I ain't leavin'. - metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1With one state having this law it makes it legal across the entire country for gay marriage to take place. Now couples from across the country can just fly to Massachusetts and get married.
- Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This thread is useless without pics.
- NecoDivad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@ kd1s:
Perhaps it is your attacks on one of the largest Religions in the world for no apparent reason that is causing people to digg you down. I personally didn't digg you either way, but there was certainly a better way for you to word that without bringing religion into it.
@metalhead:
That is what I was referring to by Full Faith and Credit. It does create a problem now, doesn't it. - sevenofsix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0WOW, Galore you must be a homosexual with a perverted mind like that. See what you're perpetuating on our society. Stay away from my kids, and kids in general. You're a menace (snicker).
- interiot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2There is a federal DOMA in place, but it only says Rhode Island can never be required to honor gay marriages from other states. So it's still maybe a bit hollow for Mass to marry out-of-staters until states give some sort of indication one way or another whether they're likely to honor gay marriages from other states or likely to reject them.
- sevenofsix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0wow...Don't smite me Logic God! ... Logical truth and Truth are not always the same. Learned that in Law School. You could logically argue that Civil Unions won't cause society to decay that is true. One could similarly argue that pedophilia is not destructive to the role of family in a society. After all, ages of consent range amongst different cultures, some of which have been around quite a long time...and none of which I would want to live in.
- BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@chompy
School is NOT a right. The U.S. government should NOT be in control of our education system. You are so programmed that you don't understand any other way.
It's amazing how piss-poor our test scores are compared to the rest of the world. I, for one, do not see why taxpayer dollars should fund the NEA. - sevenofsix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0It's misguided because everyone knows homosexuality is just a perversion and doesn't deserve to be recognized by the state. It's just that no one says it in fear of being labeled. For instance, the Pedophilia rampant in the Catholic priesthood has been perpetrated by homosexual men against boys (something like 95 percent of the cases). We don't call these priests homosexuals, but create a unique label of pedophile for them, and label them as such, but look at any gay male website and look at all the references to young men, twinks, etc... Homosexuality is a perversion, just like necrophilia, bestiality, etc... Go to a leather bar sometime watch a guy getting fisted in a swing and tell me I'm wrong. Yes, maybe between consenting adults, maybe not destructive if kept private, but a perversion from biology just the same. So, should one get a tax break because they like to frolic naked and fondle a member of their own sex for thrills. Yeah, that's a good idea.
- kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Ok - now maybe Marriage Equality RI will get the idea to sue for full faith and credit, because our legislators are such ***** and the Catholic Church lobby is still too much to go againt.
For example - a marriage equalit bill has been brought before the RI legislature for a decade now. This year for the very first time, the bill actually got the blessing of the Judicial Committee. It was Speaker Billy Murphy that quashed it. Of course he's a good ***** Catholic boy. As a former Catholic both he and his church disgust me. -
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