217 Comments
- apwhite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39Yeah!
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32@BlackDigger
Thats a great sentiment, but it ignores reality. Illegals have no problem getting a drivers license. Neither do terrorists. There is nothing I've read which indicates the national ID card would be any harder to get.
So how is this going to solve anything? - Vironex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32I live in Maine... you all stay the hell out, I like the privacy.
- brokekneck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33 Welp, now I have two choices of places to move to. Maine or New Hampsure.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Keep the lobsters flowing and I'll honor our agreement.
- benijuana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21oh, another great Maine fact... Due to an ancient law, all Maine citizens are legally required to carry a shotgun to church
- lnf69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I won't digg you down, but I'll refer you to one of many sites dedicated to fighting the Real ID Act.
This site is sponsered by the ACLU: http://www.realnightmare.org/
Here's a quote that sums up their position:
"The Real ID Act of 2005 would turn our state driver’s licenses into a genuine national identity card and impose numerous new burdens on taxpayers, citizens, immigrants, and state governments – while doing nothing to protect against terrorism. As a result, it is stirring intense opposition from many groups across the political spectrum. This Web site provides information about opposing Real ID."
ACLU is usually considered left-wing liberal.
Maybe some right wingers can point you to some sites that are also against this act. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Maine is better than all of you. I'm moving to Maine.
@aliengoods
So the terrorist government that hates The Constitution and The Bill of Rights can keep better track of the slaves. uh durr - troth, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22If I were you, I'd pick the state you can spell correctly. (nothing personal, but i had to ) XD
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Not quite a right winger, but a Libertarian..
But to take the REAL Republican stance on this, it would mean bigger government and more taxes, which goes against the basic beliefs of the Republican party.
Personally, as a Libertarian, I'm against it because of both the limits on my social and financial freedom. - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Really? Now I have a reason to go to church.
- lnf69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16YES!!! A victory for freedom!!!
- g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Its those damn "A"s and "R"s that get us into trouble. Worst letters ever. (Except "Y", the bisexual of the letter world.)
- lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Now the rest of the country needs to follow!
- benijuana, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Maine is the most underrated state in the union. Portland's a great city too. And they say things like Yah Bub! and Supanover!
- g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I recommend Maine. I lived there for about 8 years (born there as well), and is a nice, spacious place. Land is pretty cheap too, last time I checked at least.
[Sidenote: If you like to socialize, avoid the tiny ass towns in the north and central areas (Or go to New Hampshire, lol). I would say Augusta or Portland. Bar Harbor if you like the coast and having tourists swarm you.] - hoowahman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I'm in Portland, ME and its a great place to live, I highly recommend.
- nuclearpenguins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10We also provide potatoes and blueberries.
- nuclearpenguins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Hopefully we here in Maine will never have to hear the phrase, "Papers please"
- Tmacman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Like what? Trying to uphold the constitution and the Bill of Rights? For every one of their defenses of porn or whatever there are dozens of actions to protect free speech and illegal search and seizures. They're trying to protect your freedoms my friend. Don't spout that conservative talking point ***** without the facts.
- Clp727, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I am a Republican, and I say Good for Maine. I am sick of the Big Brother activities of the current administration. A national ID is exactly what the Nazi's did. We managed to keep better controls on immigration for years. This isn't about controlling illegal immigrants...It's about controlling the citizens!
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10If you answer, "zoinks", you're required to legally change your name to Shaggy and adopt a great dane. It makes it easier for our new police state to identify possible drug offenders.
- holzp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's pronounced "papuhs please", Ayuh.
- OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Love the State of Maine. I would have thought that New Hampshire would have been the one causing a stink as their motto is "Live free or Die". I am not in favor of any type of National ID card when we have something called a Passport
- g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If a state says no to a federal law, they meet with the supreme court and talk it out.
A state refusing to comply with a law is one of those things that helps keep the country as free as possible, as its one of those "checks and balances" that are thrown into our government system. If something is missed while going through the federal powers, states normally catch the problems. - b04155, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Damn blue-staters... always with their 'thought out discussions' and their 'willingness to hear both sides of an issue'.
- Palmetto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8
We have the most to fear from the Federal Government. It has the guns.
I don't want to be able to be tracked from state to state and nation to nation.
If I go to a plant nursery, I don't want to have to produce a special card and have
my record listed as having purchased fertilizer. After that, I may be tracked
for all other purchases the gubmint deems "out of place". No thanks.
Also, I'm not worried about terrorists. The government hypes up the danger to
keep its subjects in fear and ready to drop their civil liberties to gain safety.
Not me. - ApeInago, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8the real question should be:
"when did you stop being a terrorist:
A) i haven't
B) less than 6 months ago
C) a year ago
" - g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ sockpuppet and Rinnt
I'd tell my "Snow to the roof" story of '98, but I'd sound old... Not because of the year, but because every story like that turns out soundi... ahh, what the hell.
Back in '98, we had a helluva storm. The snow just kept falling 'til we couldn't see out the windows. That was before the freezing rain, that hit a day later... - cyn0sure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Well, they got this right. I hope ALL states follow suite.
The messed up thing is this is the kind of thing that Republicans are supposed to be AGAINST, not for. Damn neo-cons. - Rethcir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7NH has no sales tax!
- ApeInago, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7plus, inorder for it to be effective, they HAVE to keep track of everyone... this is by definition, and intention.
- alex1432, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Because as soon as you have national ID cards within 10 years the Justice Dept is going to want the ability to track you based on the ID card all under the guise of protection against "evil" things (whatever they may be). Always keep in mind once you give away a certain freedom you will most likely never get it back.
- g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8And just because we shouldn't mind being tracked if we're not doing anything wrong, I still don't want to be tracked, and that should be my right if I'm not doing anything wrong.
Tracking everyone just puts us one step closer to no privacy. I for one, would like to be able to walk into an adult store without it being monitored. And maybe some of your religions say that is bad (the porn thing, not the monitoring thing) but the government disagrees. Religion | State - g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Its spelled license. different. victims.
Stop to at least spell check before you spout off. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Now we'll see if Lincoln really obliterated States' rights.
- g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6And you call those who oppose your opinion "*****" why? Hypocritical, if you ask me. In the same post that you share your opinion, you basically start saying saying that other opinions here are worth less than your own. Oh, and the "potato heads" comment was a little insulting as well.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If all else fails, I know where I'm moving.
- brewster13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6As Maine goes, so goes the nation. I also believe that the Maine State Legislature didn't want to foot the $185 million cost that the federal government should be paying to fund the Act. If George W wants it, let him pay for it. He may stay at his compound in Maine on occasion, but he sure ain't a Mainer (thank God). It is also a bad idea to have all of our personal information in one nationwide database for hackers to get to.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Tmacman
FAKE conservative** - animulder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i think this national id thing is pretty scary... i pray more resist and it never comes to pass..
- flygirl62, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ah... a fellow Lincoln critic.
First off, I have NOTHING against the fact that his actions ended up "freeing the slaves." But I am one who believes that the sovereignty of states was seriously decimated by the civil war.
This country was intended to be a voluntary union of *independent* states united by primarily two things: (1) common defense and (2) free trade. That's it. Almost everything else was supposed to be under state jurisdiction.
The civil war was the beginning, but the federal government has been getting its hands more and more into things that should be up to each individual state.
The closer the power is to the people, the better it represents the people. It's much easier to organize a group large enough to make a difference in state and local elections (and just pressure/influence) than it is to affect a federal representative.
The more power/decisions that go UP the ladder of government, the further it gets from the will of the people. - kingleroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I am glad that somebody is standing up for States' Rights with this rapid-rate of federal encroachment. Hopefully they win the inevitable Supreme Court case.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If the empire wants to be a little bitch because we reject the slave tags we should stop giving it money. Which they shouldn't get anyway, I know what happened at Waco..
. . damn terrorists - flygirl62, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6[In reply to GabrielS]
Yah, the feds could cut off federal funds. But if Maine and enough other states *really* wanted to oppose this, they could threaten back that they would advise most of their citizens to not pay federal income taxes.
Maybe I am dreaming, but I would LOVE to see a state stand up to the federal government back-dooring their way into issues that the states have the right to decide. Blackmailing their decisions by threatening to not *return* monies that they *get* from the states in the first place is just so wrong. - concertina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@DaveV
I do not see how this view is paranoid, given that it is based on real-world estimates that are perfectly well bounded by mainstream media reports and current technological capabilities, and especially given that the NSA has done exactly this sort of thing in the past, as ECHELON and the NSA Call Database.
But feel free to dismiss me as paranoid if it makes you sleep better at night. - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I would not recommend living in Bar Harbor year round. 80% of the city shuts down after the tourist season. It's a virtual ghost town most of the year. Unless you plan on becoming a lobster fisherman, it's not a great place to live permanently. Portland is probably the best place in Maine as far as being near a fairly large city goes.
- concertina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@DaveV
I don't have to design it. The NSA already has.
Or do you not believe something like this doesn't already exist? It pretty much has to, to meet their massive data storage and processing requirements. - Daedalus81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Ay yuh!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Favre4Favre
You obviously don't know jack ***** about the history of fascism. Countries don't become fascist overnight. They are somwhat free and then their rights are slowly eroded away day by day, year by year, by out of control ever-growing governments, not unlike the U.S. Federal Government This is what is currently happening in America as we speak. If you don't believe this then your the one living in a basement. Of course our country is great and we are not killed for speaking out against it, but people like me are trying to preserve what liberties we have left, and people like yourself are obviously supporting Uncle Sam's war on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, which is sad because your a cop and should know better. Your jobs is to serve the citizens, not to collect revenue for an out of control government. -
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