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- monknj80, on 10/11/2007, -8/+120IT's on the front page of MSNBC on Friday night! It'll get buried by Monday but at least its progress.
- AKBryant54, on 10/11/2007, -7/+112This is awesome, let's hope this media phenomena of actually covering Ron Paul continues until the next debate in New Hampshire. Ron will have supporters there, as New Hampshire is one of the most libertarian states in the union. Good performance there could lead to more national attention and his emergence as a front runner. Cross your fingers and donate.
- understudy, on 10/11/2007, -13/+116
@bigdavediode, flag8r, et al
Please read: http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/1145
Quoting:
"It is telling that:
1) there are no other quotes like these at any other point in his career, despite the fact that he has been a prolific writer and certainly seems unafraid to hold an out-of-the-mainstream opinion.
2) Paul did not write the article, a member of his staff did.
3) After much discussion the quotes were removed from Paul's wikipedia bio, since they could not be attributed to him."
I know you may not like Ron Paul, but that doesn't give you the right to spam every Ron Paul post with what may amount to libel.
_ - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -18/+74
@bigdavediode
You imply Ron Paul was racist when he said:
"Immigrants can spread diseases for which we may have no immunity. There is also the question of crime and culture. Many immigrants come from countries with different legal structures and are not willing to behave in the way we expect American citizens to behave.”
This isn't a very good argument for you to hold on to. You see, immigrants are not a race. See: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=immigrant
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As for editorial control, if you take a look at how many articles Ron Paul has written over the years or had attributed to him, you'll see consistency. These quotes you base your arguments on are inconsistent with most of his other writings.
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Have you ever thought that he didn't release the newsletter because at that time he realized what had transpired? Ron Paul speaks his mind. If he were against Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. he wouldn't say he wasn't. And in the interviews with him on this specific issue, that's exactly what he says.
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As for the endorsement of racist groups, that proves nothing. If you were endorsed by a racist group, that wouldn't mean YOU are racist no more than if you were endorsed by a feminist group makes you a woman.
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I think you're talented and clever in digging this stuff up (no pun intended) and popularizing it. But, I sincerely feel that while you may be able to make a few points on the subject, you'd be hard pressed to extrapolate all of that into a conclusive label of 'racist'
_ - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+60
@bigdavediode
My point was that he wasn't a racist. I thought the elaboration was unnecessary, but here goes—
Immigrants CAN have diseases! So can citizens! Immigrants may come from countries that didn't require TB testing, etc. and therefore could cause epidemics if there weren't measures to prevent this.
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On the editorial part—
There are countless celebrities and politicians who hire a staff to distribute remarks in their own name. Usually, the staffers do a good job, but sometimes things get through the cracks. When they do, people who don't like the celebrity or politician dig up the remarks and popularize them as if they were made in a public speech. This is misleading and you are contributing to this unfortunately.
Find me something in a public speech, then come back. He gives speeches all the time. I'm sure you can find a bunch of them.
_ - ExCornelius, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54Please don't feed the trolls.
- understudy, on 10/11/2007, -10/+54
@bigdavediode
I still stand by my earlier remark—
Ron Paul speaks his mind. If he were against Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. he would say so. And he doesn't say anything of the sort when he was interviewed on this very subject.
_ - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -13/+55
@bigdavediode
Quoting you: "how do immigrants spread diseases that non-immigrants don't spread?"
Well, when settlers colonized America, a lot of the natives got sicknesses that they had no immunity for. In modern times, this can still happen or in a lesser scenario, you can introduce into a society or community a greater concentration of pathogens, and that can lead to outbreaks.
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As for the white supremacist groups you like to talk about—
An endorsement from a racist does not make the endorsed a racist. As an example, a lot of racist groups love guns and would support defenders of the 2nd amendment. But that doesn't mean that if you support the Constitution and its amendments, you are a racist.
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As for proofreading—
As I said before, busy people have a staff. Their job is to handle things like proofreading an article written by a staffer. If they fail, that doesn't mean the candidate or celebrity has to accept their failure and it doesn't mean the candidate or celebrity can't take measures to correct the blunder—like giving an interview on the subject stating the situation and clarifying their real position.
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Again, I challenge you to post something from a public—and verifiable—speech that supports your statements.
_ - grunk, on 10/11/2007, -6/+46Paul's on Wolf Blitzer and CNN Sunday.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+46The thing about that article is that they say Paul's views are new. Paul's views are NOT new! These are views that USED TO BE part of main stream politics. Especially from the Republican Party. Back in the day when the Constitution actually meant something and people actually understood it.
It wasn't until around the time of that despot, Constitution rapist Lincoln that this country started it's downhill slide to Socialism.
No, his views are not new to the Republican Party, but it IS new to the neocons who have successively taken over the Party. - defcon19, on 10/11/2007, -8/+44If anyone is spamming I'd say it's you Bigdavediode. No one else here seems to be spamming.
And Gallup interviewed 400 people; that is hardly a scientific poll.
btw- he voted against the medal for Mother Theresa, and then offered up his own money for the medal and challenged other members of congress to do the same and what did he get? *crickets*
And I think someone above you already debunked your crazy theories that hes a racist. - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -14/+45
@bigdavediode
Quoting you again: "so the US is a homogenous population entirely genetically similar, huh?"
Bird flu would be an example of an import.
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Again, with the racist groups—
This is your weakest point. No matter how many racists endorse you, that still doesn't make you a racist. Whether they mention you once or 1,000 times, a racist organization can not make other people racist simply by endorsing them.
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As far as the release of the newsletters—
Ask Ron Paul what he thinks today and he'll tell you what he thinks today. And in the interview that is more recent than your quotes, he doesn't say anything that supports your statements.
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The burden of proof lies with you because you are making the accusation. You've only quoted from a decade-old source that may or may not be Ron Paul. Shaky, at best. Again, I challenge you to find something from a public SPEECH—that is, something that can be irrefutably attached to Ron Paul—that supports your claims.
_ - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+33
@bigdavediode
There's no mention of super genes or inferior races in the article you are basing your accusations on.
Once again, YOU seem to be the one making things racist when they aren't.
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PS: My challenge to you still remains uncontested. - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -12/+41
@bigdavediode
You're contradicting yourself now.
The quote you originally used was: "Immigrants can spread diseases for which we may have no immunity" and yet now you transform that into "immigrants spread disease more than non-immigrants, or that we have some sort of super immunity that immigrants don't have"
That's a bit of a mismatch. The first says that there are diseases that citizens do not have immunity for and immigrants can spread those diseases. Your interpretation of that statement deviates completely from that into super immunity for a certain race. So, in a way, you are the one making something into a racist remark.
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If a neo-nazi group endorses a person's statements, that doesn't translate into the person's statements endorsing the racist group. It's a fallcy of logic. Say for example that Group A (the racists) like the Constitution and racist white people. Now let's say Person B (Ron Paul in this case) likes the Constitution. According to your faulty logic—if Person B likes the Constitution, he also likes racist white people. How silly is that?
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Comparing David Duke (a once Grand Wizard of The KKK) to Ron Paul (never a member of any supremacist organization and author of anti-racist articles you seem to want to ignore)—is comparing apples to oranges. C'mon.
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On the article mentioning a personal friend of Ron Paul—
I'm pretty sure if you worked on the staff of any political office holder, you'd be familiar with some of the personal friends of the person.
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Once again, I challenge you to find something from a public Ron Paul SPEECH that can be IRREFUTABLY attached to the Congressman before making any more baseless remarks. You could do it for Louis Farrakahn, David Duke, and others because they are racists. But I've asked you 5 times to do it for Ron Paul and all you can do is make personal remarks and avoid the challenge.
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- JohnnyZito, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36This article is a platitude.
It's disguised to appease our demand for legitimacy.
The implication that this is a job application for Treasury Sec or some other consolation prize is insulting.
Don't let up now. - emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -6/+33@bigdavediode
"Which kind of screams the question how do immigrants spread diseases that non-immigrants don't spread?"
Believe it or not there are diseases that are currently restricted to certain parts of the world. It may be easy for you to be so ignorant, but I live in Toronto and the SARS problem we had here is a good example. - corvin, on 10/11/2007, -7/+34Bigdavediode:
For Ron Paul being a 2nd tier candidate he sure has you worried quite a bit.
and btw- I'm glad his ideas aren't mainstream republican like mccain or romney. Honestly who wants an entire political party of people like guiliani? - AKBryant54, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32bigdavediode has been debunked so many times it's not funny. I don't just mean any one stance he has, but everything. Yet he continues unabated as if no one has even responded to him, I've given up. There are some people that just don't want to see another point of view.
- war6986, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30@bigdavediode
If you do not like Ron Paul's policies or past statements feel free to actually make a valid point.
Regarding the newsletter, it is well known that Dr. Paul did not write the article, and politicians rarely proofread the newsletters that staffers put out for them. Dr. Paul immediately apologized for the incident.
>Absolutely! Wait... what he said was that immigrants can "spread diseases" for which we don't have immunity. Which kind of screams the question how do immigrants spread diseases that non-immigrants don't spread?
No one said that immigrants spread diseases that non-immigrants do not, it was said that immigrants have diseases that are endemic to certain parts of the world that are not found in the US. For this reason, legal immigrants are put through a health evaluation in order to minimize the risk of a pandemic. A legal immigrant with SARS would not be allowed into the US whereas an illegal would not be stopped.
There is also nothing racist about making the assertion that specific races are less likely to be infected by or pass on certain diseases. For example, sickle cell anemia, a genetic disease found primarily amongst Africans, protects against malaria. A high percentage of black Africans are heterozygous carriers of sickle cell genetics making them essentially immune to malaria and very unlikely to spread the disease.
Your statement about 'natives having superior genetics' is easily refuted. Children born in the US are subject to a large array of immunizations from the day they are born to the day they day that foreigners do not necessarily receive. Adults that are traveling to certain parts of the world are strongly encouraged to get immunized against the diseases endemic to the region they are traveling. For these reasons, it is much less likely that an American traveling abroad will bring home a new disease.
Overall your trolling is sub-par. - SPLASTiK, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28From an interview with Texas Monthly:
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"In one issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he had published since 1985, he called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist." In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." And under the headline "Terrorist Update," he wrote: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.
When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, "I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady." Paul says that item ended up there because "we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything."
His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: "They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'" It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."
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Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.
More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.
- Ron Paul
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst041607.htm - shadygrove, on 10/11/2007, -6/+29i agree with johnnyzito that this article has a subtext that is dismissive of paul's message. this does not surprise me. i have yet to see the MSM dissect any presidential candidate's merits based on something like the constitution.
i would like to see ron paul challenging corporate welfare. he is not ralph nader by any stretch of the imagination, but removal of corporate welfare is an area where the libertarians and the greens can unite and throw out these ridiculous terms like "liberal" and "conservative" and simply agree that a very small group, a corporate oligarchy, controls the vast majority of real wealth and real resources in this country and they do so because they own the candidates who write the legislation that keeps them protected. - hambend, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26Hey big dave, good too see you again!
Still waiting to hear which candidate you support. Last time I asked, you dodged the question twice then said you hadn't decided. Back then you were ripping into Ron Paul for voting against some internet tax thingy. I see you've found some jucier dirt since then. Good for you!
I'll say it again, like I said it last time. If you're gonna go through their voting records looking for dubious votes, if you're gonna go through all their correspondence, all their publications looking for anything you can use to make a candidate look bad, there's not a single one of them out there that can possibly meet your standards. So what's the point? You'll just end up voting for no-one. How about we focus on the candidates' policy positions instead?
And yeah, I'd vote for a guy who failed to vet a newsletter with his name on it. It's a huge ***** step up from the ***** who're running America now. - DrDubious, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25I'm holding out for a "Ron Paul vs. Mike Gravel" race...
...and a pony. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26I truly don't mean to be insulting but how old are you? Are you not old enough to remember Barry Goldwater, the "high tide" of Conservative thought? Look him up sometime and while you're at it look up the Federalist Papers and the debates from the ratification of the Constitution and some of the great quotes from the founders of the US.
- understudy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23
@bigdavediode
Show me a Ron Paul quote where he says the exact words 'inferior race' and 'super genes'.
I didn't think so.
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As for the newsletters, that's irrelevant without anything verifiable to back it up. So again—
My challenge to you was to find something empirically verifiable in a public Ron Paul speech that supports your claims. You haven't done so.
_ - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25What part of the Constitution allows the Government to dole out awards?
And who's spamming Digg? Just wait till the Democrats get their own debates going and we'll see these same people crying about Paul spammers posting all over the place about their communist...er....democrat dictator wannabes.
The other stuff you posted about is crap and has been proven to be so. But keep doing your "research" and you'll come up with your own thoughts some day. - monknj80, on 10/11/2007, -7/+25Not gonna let up but compared to the rest of the "coverage", it's a baby step.
- zeebusboy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+241) First they ignore you.
2) Then they laugh at you.
3) Then they fight you.
4) Then you win.
I'd say Ron Paul is moving from step 2 to step 3 right now. Keep pushing, the whores in the mainstream media are starting to crack and the neocon Republican party apparatus is rattled. - zovres, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22Ron Paul, all the way.
- mikesbaker, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22@bigdavediode
for someone who seems to hate ron paul spam on digg.com you sure do read a lot of it. After stalking your digg profile. you only do one thing - troll Paul articles. dugg by you:
http://www.digg.com/world_news/*****
learn to argue effectively and what makes a good argument before you try to troll digg otherwise you will just look like a dumbass over and over again. And if you really do hate Paul spam (which you seem to love) then STFU and ***** off. - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20
@bigdavediode
My challenge to you is simple—
Find something empirically verifiable in a public Ron Paul speech that supports your claims. You haven't done so.
I haven't said anything about 'blue socks' or a 'top hat' or re-qualified the challenge. You're insinuation that I have demonstrates your inability to respond with anything of substance.
Good night.
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PS: Feel free to have the last word. I feel I've made my points—multiple times. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19Or their trolling for a fight.
- JimXugle, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Ron Paul Could Be A Contender
hmm...
No *****? - rnwen2750, on 10/11/2007, -10/+24The only people I have heard seriously discussing Paul as a candidate have been people on the internet. Mostly digg. That does not bode well.
- randomtask43, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14If any of you guys are near Austin, Texas, check this out. Ron Paul is making an appearance here Saturday evening, with live music, food, and drinks.
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_event_in_Austin_Saturday_May_19 - gergle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14because you've posted these before and been shown to be dishonest about these quotes.
- gulmargha, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15About the immigrants carrying diseases comment:
"Quarantine detention at Immigration Station on Ellis Island, New York. Those suspected of having a communicable disease were segregated at once and, after confirmation of the diagnosis, admitted to the communicable disease hospital for care and treatment."
- US Department of Health and Human Services
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/phs_history/21.html
Immigrants carrying diseases is nothing new. It has nothing to do with race. To suggest that Ron Paul is more concerned about the color of an immigrant's skin than the health of the US populace amounts to nothing short of partisan hackery. - DubbedOver, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18Wow how did you guys let him go for this long, just block/report him already.
- worldinmyeyes, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Ron Paul is a LUNATIC! He believes in the constitution, freedom for all Americans, not entangling us in wars and conflicts without cause, and limited government. He's a person of high integrity and intelligence.
Wow, what a dangerous set of beliefs. This man has to be stopped before he changes America for the better!! Hear that bury brigade? - jmpeagle, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17how come Ron Paul stories need to hit a higher critical mass of diigs before they reach the front page? This ones has over 140 and hasn't made it yet.
- gergle, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Ron Paul is a Libertarian. He joined the Republican party as a matter of pragmatism. He ran previously as a Libertarian and lost.(for Congress).
Ron's Ideas are radical. No doubt. It is my feeling that we need some radical thought at this juncture in history.
If elected...which even he admits is not likely...he would have to overcome strong opposition in the Congress to impose his radical limited government ideas. He has talked about "weaning" us off welfare and Social Security. This is not radical to me. The issue of unfunded burgeoning entitlements is economic reality. The problem with Bushco is that he can't be trusted. He is incompetent , a liar, and beholden to political interest groups who rob and pillage whenever privatization is talked about. Ron needs to address this reality, IMHO.
The debate is healthy whatever the outcome of the election. I want Ron's ideas heard in a serious way, and not dismissed as lunatic, or racist, or inhuman. That is polemics as usual. Let's have real political debate for a change. - AlphaEta, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I refuse!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Thank you, Rainman.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12You damn right Ron Paul is a contender! The mainstream media are shaking in their boots at the thought of Ron Paul. I know they will try assassinate him if he gets in. Those neo con scum did the same to Kennedy.
We have to support Ron Paul all the way! Our country is in danger. - anachronaut, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Of the 158 comments currently posted here, 29 belong to bigdavediode -- and most are posted back-to-back, two or three at a time. That's 18% of the comments here, by one disturbingly obsessed individual who can't seem to gather his thoughts together well enough to coherently spew his bile into a limited number of posts.
I toyed with the idea of leaving him unblocked just so I could continue digging his inane arguments down, but trolls should be blocked. And spamming trolls definitely need to be blocked. - vinwal, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress. - torched, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10As a democrat, the only way I will vote in 08 is if Ron Paul is running. Otherwise Obama, Clinton, Romney, Mccain, Giuliani and everybody else can go f*ck themselves.
- kinghajj, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Ron Paul is spaming nothing.
- Osjpr, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12"This is awesome, let's hope this media phenomena of actually covering Ron Paul continues until the next debate in New Hampshire.
Don't be reliant on the media and get complacent. People will have to go and do something themselves - WilliamDavis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11@ bigdavediode
"But you guys did motivate me and dozens of others to research this nutcase by pissing us off with spamming."
Motivate you to research? Seems more like it's turned you ***** crazy.
There are lots of things I don't particularly like, but I can't spend 24 hours per day searching Digg for them. As Paul gets more popular, this is going to get even more time consuming for you. I hope you're getting paid. -
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