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- CoreyTamas, on 07/20/2009, -30/+227Dear American people,
Your president is black. This does not mean he's a Muslim, a foreigner or a terrorist. Forget about his birth certificate, his name and his color. Focus on the stuff that matters.
Sincerely,
Everyone else - MiddleAmerica, on 07/19/2009, -35/+169
He's always been pretty far right-wing, plus he's a long-term Republican.
- smacksaw, on 07/20/2009, -11/+115Peculiar, eh? A peculiar little document?
Let me share a story. Recently I had to get a passport for my eldest son as we immigrated to Canada and the Canadians must put a visa in it, know who he is, etc. I went to Seattle to get the passport and all I had was the short-form birth certificate. The long form was destroyed by a cleaning crew (don't ask). All we have is the short form. The woman who processed our application was a bit annoyed and asked me if there was any way I could get the long form. I told her that the short form is what the state of California sent me and it's all I had. She said that it's valid, but more work for them and that there are other vital records they can check it against.
I asked her about it in detail. According to her, short or long form, either are possible to forge. One is not better or worse. Which makes me think that even a long form for Obama would be accused as being fraudulent. She also told me that lots of people have church birth records, home birth, etc and that the long form is better, but the short form is also official, which is why Department of State of the USA agreed to take it, LOL! In fact, if you have a home birth, you could pretty much say/do/put whatever you wanted and the state would go with it. Obama's is no more legitimate or illegitimate than yours or mine. In fact, my son's long form actually had the wrong name on it. The short form has his correct name. Thus, it's MORE legitimate.
Anyway, in the end, my impression is that legally, it doesn't matter which you have. What matters is that you have one that is legitimate and both are legitimate, it's just that the long form is easier for them to use as it supports the information you stated on your passport application. - EndAntiSemitism, on 07/20/2009, -47/+139Dugg! Lou Dobbs has been nothing but a mouth-piece for the xenophobic right-wing extremists these last few years, propagating his bigoted and racist views under thinly veiled criticisms of "immigration" and the like.
This wouldn't be the first time he's slipped up and revealed his true character, though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nofy3262nEA
I hope Lou is now aware he is in the company of such scum like David Duke, Alex Jones, and of course the freeptards. - homercles337, on 07/19/2009, -42/+130Ha ha, not surprising given his record of right-wing extremism.
- fadeout, on 07/20/2009, -24/+93So how long til he's on Fox?
- ShingoEX, on 07/20/2009, -14/+80Much like "moon landing" conspiracy theorists, it wouldn't matter how much evidence was brought forward to prove it's the real deal, Dobbs would still say something's wrong.
- inactive, on 07/20/2009, -16/+82Dear Birthers: How does it make you feel, knowing that you're so sad and ineffectual that we Liberals managed to put a Black Marxist Kenyan into the White House, and there wasn't a GODDAMN THING you could do to stop us?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! - presidentraygun, on 07/20/2009, -25/+88Lou Dobbs is a side of insane, covered in crazy sauce, served on a bed of nuts.
- airfabio, on 07/20/2009, -10/+72I am willing to trade.
If Sarah Palin would take an IQ test and Ann Coulter a gender test, I will personally convince Obama to release his birth certificate. - QQMore, on 07/20/2009, -1/+55Looks like that's a no.
- woodsjransom, on 07/20/2009, -22/+76I was done with Dobbs when he bought the Obama waffles using the excuse that he thought his wife would like them. I got tired of his immigration attacks nightly. He needs to be on FAUX NUs.
- ShingoEX, on 07/20/2009, -1/+53You have proof?
- inactive, on 07/20/2009, -16/+63Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought:
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AMERO - TigerStar337, on 07/20/2009, -8/+55American's electing a President who is not an American. Wow!! It is a vast left-wing liberal conspiracy.
/s - RogerStrong, on 07/20/2009, -2/+49He's also made plenty of looney accusations about the Republicans. Like repeatedly claiming that Bush II had ended the U.S. by signing up for a "North American Union".
He even claims that's it's "being done in secret without the consent of Congress". (As a treaty, by definition it REQUIRES a two-thirds majority vote in Congress.)
It's "journo-tainment". No need for accuracy or even intelligence - as long as it sells commercials. - rupaw, on 07/20/2009, -8/+53Yes there is a perfectly logical explanation. The order Obama issue revokes Bush’s Executive Order 13233 which limited access to records of former Presidents, so this actually OPENS UP the records.
- Buckwyld, on 07/20/2009, -0/+43Wait, he is half white too. No fooling us.
- ironhide, on 07/20/2009, -2/+45"but why is Obama spending millions to keep this document from seeing the light of day?"
Why do you keep repeating something that has never been proven? - Dipsomaniac, on 07/20/2009, -8/+49http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/200 ...
That's why. - TheTaoOfBill, on 07/20/2009, -3/+44When it comes to proving citizenship the short form is all you need because it states where you were born and who your parents were.
- inactive, on 07/20/2009, -1/+42He posted it.
- dagnabbit, on 07/20/2009, -2/+42spending millions*
*citation needed* - rocknog, on 07/20/2009, -3/+41It really doesn't matter. Birthers, like all conspiracy theorists, are so deranged that evidence no longer applies (and yes, I realize that, on occasion, a conspiracy can turn out to be true, but it's the method by which conspiracy theorists come to their conclusions that is the issue - like, if I said the sky was blue, and I determined this by looking at chicken bones, I'd be right, but that still doesn't make looking at chicken bones a legitimate way to determine the color of the sky). Sorry, got off track there. Anyway, really, they basically take a non-falsifiable stance. Even if Obama personally gave birthers his birth certificate - well, if you can forge an online copy, you can forge a paper copy just as easily. There are literally no conditions under which they will accept that they're wrong.
- MWeather, on 07/20/2009, -6/+43"No, he released a ceritificate of live birth, not a birth certificate. There is a difference "
No, there is not. A Hawaiian birth certificate is called a certificate of live birth and the version Obama produced is the ONLY one the state of Hawaii releases, period. They went all digital years ago. - boo1, on 07/20/2009, -17/+54"I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation."
Yes! to make people like you write insane rantings, thus, allowing me and other sane people comedy gold."
Or ......it is a giant conspiracy and even the FBI,CIA, Homeland Security, the military, and the state of Hawaii have been duped and Obama is a genius by sealing his personal records.....and you were the only one who caught him. - ironhide, on 07/20/2009, -9/+46http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/2 ...
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Can you please shut the hell up about it now?
PHOTO-ILLUSTRATION: BRYANT FUKUTOMI / BFUKUTOMI@STARBULLETIN.COMAnswer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
Can you shut up about it now? - MWeather, on 07/20/2009, -4/+39"Which i would say is enough for a passport but we really should uphold higher standards for the president of the united states."
Considering the certificate Obama produced is the only one Hawaii issues, then holding a higher standard would mean barring everyone born in Hawaii from being president. - TheTaoOfBill, on 07/20/2009, -8/+42Actually at the time Obama was born the law stated that if only one of your parents was a citizen then your parent had to live in America for at least 10 years and 5 of those years had to be after the age of 14. That was the law to pass your citizenship to your child if you were the only citizen in the family.
And since Obama's mother was only 18 years old, if Obama was born in Kenya he wouldn't be a citizen at birth.
However, that doesn't matter because his birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii. - bjs3171, on 07/20/2009, -11/+43uh...election's over, dude...
- Dipsomaniac, on 07/20/2009, -7/+39"
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.
"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."
"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.
"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate.""
Do you see the last line?
"That's the birth certificate."
As for executive order 13489, it covers presidential documents. And Obama wasn't President at birth; you should attempt a better conspiracy theory, because that one is just too stupid. - Dipsomaniac, on 07/20/2009, -1/+33That applies to Presidential records.
Was Obama president at birth? - Lewie, on 07/20/2009, -2/+34Because *drum roll* IT ALREADY HAPPENED!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th ...
Which just goes to show you that even physical evidence isn't enough for conspiracy theorists. - DankBuddz, on 07/20/2009, -3/+34He isn't, it was posted for everyone to see.
- SteveMTyler, on 07/20/2009, -4/+34because it is a stupid conspiracy that makes their enemies look like sore loser idiots.
Real scientists don't debate creationism, because to recognize it as debatable is to make it legitimate. - Smokeydabear, on 07/20/2009, -57/+87I don't care if he's a ***** Mexican, he's still running the country way better than Bush. Bush ***** this country for eight years with not so much as one reacharound. I mean come on people, Obama has been in office for six months, give the guy a chance.
- pyg13, on 07/20/2009, -0/+30"...governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978,"
So there has been a law/order since 1978 (which probably has been adjusted several times) but to your point here ... the National Archives has authority over Obama's birth certificate - how? What is that you say? Not at all? - Lewie, on 07/20/2009, -2/+32It's not a political reason he's being dugg down, it's because he didn't even read his "evidence". This executive order is about Executive Privilege (remember what Bush used to seal up his records?) and defining how one can access those presidential records.
- sprNmgcHlmt, on 07/20/2009, -10/+40awesome. now the ***** wants to see some verification. not after the 2000 election. not after 9/11. not after iraq, katrina, wall street. that was all legit.
what a ***** stick. - Dipsomaniac, on 07/20/2009, -1/+30It doesn't matter what Obama does, the birthers will simply keep moving the goalposts. You don't play games with idiots using the idiots' rules.
- Dipsomaniac, on 07/20/2009, -2/+31He's being dugg down because he's lying about the executive order.
- EndAntiSemitism, on 07/20/2009, -3/+32Because he doesn't want the skeletons in his closet to be uncovered.
- QQMore, on 07/20/2009, -5/+34There you go again with your facts and logic. Now how are the wingnuts going to spread their misinformation?
- ZenMojo, on 07/20/2009, -12/+41Because he has. That's why it's extremist.
- skintigh, on 07/20/2009, -1/+29LIAR! You are part of this conspiracy! It all started decades ago, when a woman in Kenya gave birth to a black baby with a Muslim name and thought "the only thing standing between him being President of the United States is where he was born!" and thus she forged not only a birth certificate but TWO birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers.
You are all a bunch of sheeple for believing otherwise. - ApokalypseNow, on 07/20/2009, -0/+28Presidential records, not personal records. Reading comprehension fail.
- NoLibertarians, on 07/20/2009, -12/+39Notice Dobbs shoots off his mouth but fails to ever carry out his threat to run for office?
- thentro, on 07/20/2009, -5/+32FactCheck has detailed photos:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th ...
People are always ready to believe wildly complex conspiracy theories because if you go around long enough they do sound sensible somehow. But they can only exist in their own cloud of facts, and ignore what is often just a simple explanation for an event. - greendalek, on 07/20/2009, -10/+37The President does not "run the country." Never has. Please read your copy of the Constitution. The moment we start looking to the president to "run the country" is the moment we decide we actually prefer a king or an emperor. Please try to drop that phrase --its casual use is far more damaging than you know.
- inactive, on 07/20/2009, -3/+30It's already released, with close-up photos of every inch of it.
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