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- Condottieri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10With all of the conspiracies, websites, Bush, Loose Change, Fox News, and people arguing with each other, I hope that no one ever forgets the real victims of this tragedy: the families and friends of the people that died in the 9/11 tragedy.
May we never forget them. - diggerydood, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11WHEN has Bushco ever told the truth about ANYTHING???
- RogerStrong, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14I watched an interview with the Loose Change writers. They didn't just twist the truth; they flat-out made stuff up. Stuff that anyone paying attention to the news *before* 9/11 could spot as bogus.
The big point they kept harping on was how United Flight 93 "totally disappeared into the ground" in Pennsylvania, and how it "had never happenned before".
Anyone who's payed attention knows that it HAS happenned before, many times. A commuter liner stalls because of ice on the wings, nosedives into a field, and it looks like a field with some litter. (The engines end up below ground.) A 737 nosedives into the ground in California next to an apartment, and there's os little left the locals thought it was a Cessna. (The rash was blamed on "wind rotor", until they found the 737 rudder problem an "incident" or two later.)
One of the first videos I had on my computer, around 1992, was a Mig crash at an airshow. It dove pretty much straight down. You could watch it dissappear into the ground frame by frame with no compaction or flame seen until the elevators at the back are touching the ground - at which point you see some flame come out the tail pipe.
The rest of what they had to say was similar tripe. If there really is a conspiracy, these people would be planted by the government to make the "truthers" look like wackos. - trevorml0878, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I have to say this is awesome. When this video hits the theaters it is going to wake this nation up. Sure, lots of people won't see it at first out of "protest", but there will be many who are curious and when they see it they will tell their non-believing friends to see it. At the end of the day one thing is true. There ARE enough questions to demand a better investigation- period. When that happens we'll all know the truth once and for all and we can put this thing to rest.
Thats what confuses me the most, even those who don't believe it was the gov. should still support an investigation. 1) Just for the simple fact of making sure we have the truth and 2) to make all the conspiracy theories go away. It's simple, new investigation, end of conspiracy theories. What's so hard about that? - CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@bagelred
Actually, we do know exactly how OJ committed the murders. Its just that the evidence sat in hott cars in the California sun for hours and hours rendering it useless. I took a forensics class in high school in which the teacher explained everything, and how blood evidence can't be exposed to extreme temperature variances... its reallly ashame what shody police work can do to a case. But, the glove didn't fit, so they must aquit. - bagelred, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Baron, we'll never know exactly why things were carried out in certain ways. You have to think broader. The event basically started the broad "war on terror", which gave the administration all kinds of powers, like the ability to pass the Patriot Act, to increase military budget, attack Afghanistan, create fear in public, creating false enemies, take more control, etc. etc. In actuality, it didn't really matter whether hijackers were from Iraq or Saudi Arabia, or Afghan. did it? It worked no matter what.....
Just look at all the evidence and you'll know its an inside job. We probably will never know ALL the details of what they were thinking when this was planned, but we know they are guility. It's like with OJ Simpson. We'll never know EXACTLY how he committed the murders, or why really, or what he was thinking - but we do know he's guilty. That's all that matters. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Google in "Council On Foreign Relations" and "the Bilderberg Group" and discover who really controls things. I encourage you in your research.
- thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10bagel,
"it didn't really matter whether hijackers were from Iraq or Saudi Arabia,"
Sure it did! If the hijackers were from Iraq then there wouldn't be nearly as much opposition to the Iraq war as there is - at least that would be some solid evidence. But I'd suggest that you mind your own advice and "think broader." Saying the hijackers were from Iraq is just one example - the "conspirators" could have tweaked the story any way they wanted to. If it was an inside job then there were no Saudi hijackers, etc... and everything that we've been told is a convenient story concocted by the US government. If that's the case, why isn't the story much more convenient?
As it is now current admin has had to fight its ass off trying to justify the war. What kind of conspiracy wouldn't plant substantial evidence to support its intended outcome? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Baron- I suggest you follow the money. You sound like a pretty articulate and intelligent man. Google in information to find out all the corporations that have ties to the Bush administration. How and why reasons for war makes little difference. The point is that a lot of money is made from war.
- psyops, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I thought it was a great hoax. Bravo.
Could you have thought of anything better?
Planning took years, of which the ideas have been around for centuries.
If the US doesn't secure a place now in the middle east, while their military is the best in the world, there is no telling what war will erupt in that region a few years down the line. Why let India and China catch up?
In the minds of a select few, we've won the war. Saddam is gone, our bases are established in Iraq and should be there for some time.
Military purchases by nations such as the US and others are climbing. This fact keeps the brains behind these operations satisfied with deep pockets. - FALSEFLAG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ thebaron2
Like C&S tried telling you before you had his comment buried:
According to intelligence sources close to the the UN security council and the Pentagon, there were plans set in place before the war started for a private military group to perform an "off the book" operation carried out under the OSP (Office of Special Plans) that would have allowed them to stage the discovery of WMD in Iraq.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Secretive_military_unit_sought_to_solve_0105.html - RogerStrong, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Think.
I've need video of the crash site. As I said, there's not much left to see but lots of scraps of metal - and much of that is below ground. The only real solid pieces of the plane are the engines. It's just like other crashes where the aircraft dove straight in. Why should this one be any different? - stallion4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Explain how debris was found over 6 miles away...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanD7UY5dZU - thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4No, I'm using "we" as America in general. I'm not sure if you're trying to imply that I work for the government or not, but I don't; I work in manufacturing and sales. I've made comments in the past that you can dig up through my profile if you're that curious about it.
- thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10This is what I want to know - if we staged all of this, if the government was behind it and planted the "evidence" pointing to the Saudi terrorists, why didn't they plant the evidence necessary to justify going to Iraq? Why weren't half of the hijackers Iraqi and why weren't they loaded down with documents written by Saddam himself?
Were the "puppet masters" behind this conspiracy brilliant enough to pull it off, but stupid enough to forget to leave hard evidence justifying the war that they're trying to produce? - thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2If I thought for one second that any investigation that proved the conspiracy theorists wrong would make them accept how absurd their theory is, then I'd agree with you.
As it stands now, we've had investigations, and if they don't put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the US government then the study _must_ be flawed and biased and we need to do a NEW study, a REAL one this time. It will never end. - thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@FalseFlag
See, this is part of the problem. "Before _you_ had him buried."
If I don't share your opinion, then I MUST be part of the conspiracy. Somehow, from my little office in Illinois here, I must be coordinating a mass burying of comments that don't agree with what I say. Give me a freakin break.
Your comment still doesn't address the issue - why weren't 1/2 the "terrorists" from Iraq? Why didn't we conveniently find letters from Saddam with instructions on how to pull the attack off? Think about it - if the government set this whole thing up, we'd have a lot more "evidence" (even if it was found to be phony) that Iraq and Saddam were central figures in the attack on 9/11. That is not currently the case. - thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Did you even read that article FalseFlag? It makes my point even STRONGER!
So in 2003, this super secret group of guys goes into Iraq and says, "Hey guys, the President is in trouble, he's going to look bad unless we find WMDs. We came here on the premise that there were WMDs, but now we can't find any. Can you help us out ??"
Had we planned this whole attack we would have KNOWN FROM THE BEGINNING that there weren't any WMDs and we wouldn't have been caught off guard like this. We wouldn't have had to send in a group of commandos trying to drum up FAKE WMDs - we would have already had them planted. Are you telling me that we spent years concocting this brilliant scheme to go into Iraq because of WMDs but we were so incompetent that we forgot to plant them over there? And, to top it off, we didn't realize that we forgot such an important aspect of the conspiracy until 2 YEARS AFTER THE ATTACKS?!
As if all of a sudden in 2003 someone said, "Oh *****! We forgot to plant the weapons! Better get someone over there to take care of that." Doesn't make any sense, my friend. - thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"Could you have thought of anything better?"
Actually, yes, I could have - and that was the point of my initial post. If you're going to launch this whole conspiracy to justify a war in Iraq, why not plant/create the HARD evidence necessary for that justification?
I don't get how you can believe both of these premises:
1) The US government staged the attacks of 9/11 to justify their "War on Terror"
2) There is no acceptable evidence that Iraq was linked to 9/11, so we shouldn't be over there in the first place. Afghanistan? Maybe. Iraq? Not a chance.
Many people I run into believe #2, and I'm not here to dispute that. But if #1 is true, then #2 should be FALSE! If it was all staged, they would have planted the evidence necessary to justify the war in Iraq, which is supposedly why they staged everything in the first place! - thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You're absolutely right, Disastermaster. Which is why I'm not arguing that this war has been run the way it should have been. Have shady bids gone down for the business over there? More than likely, almost certainly. Bad people exist and have historically taken advantage of the opportunities offered by war, even at the expense of their home country.
BUT... to claim that our government actually _perpetrated_ the attacks is ridiculous. There's a case to be made that the question should be raised, and it has been. But looking at all of the pieces, it just doesn't make sense, and if you can't see that then you probably approached the question with your answer already in mind.
Unrelated to the discussion, thanks for making a comment without insulting my intelligence or my opinions. I wish more people would just post what's on their minds without the having to resort to name calling and chest puffing. - RuffRidr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Also if we staged this, why did Bush look so lost? Wouldn't he have been ready for action, with a huge script of what to say and do? Sorry, this just doesn't pass the smell test.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1So from your statement are you referring to yourself and the government as one entity?
- smoothmedia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Here's your jet folks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXdNOqYXPF0
oh the joy of photoshop - stallion4, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5I agree. Unfortunately most don't understand (or don't care) that thousands of victims' family members and other victims of 9/11 belong to the 9/11 truth movement, and are pushing for a new investigation...
Radio interview with 9/11 victim's father Bill Doyle who lost his son Joseph Doyle during the September 11th attack...
Original airdate: July 7, 2006
HOST: Founded in September of 2001, the World Trade Center United Family Group is a nonprofit 501c3, and you were its founder and head and you say you represent over 7,000 people. What is the average view of those that you represent about 9/11 and the cover-up?
BILL DOYLE: What they want is... If you want to believe the 9/11 Commission's story -- like a lot of us don't, ok? You really gotta go look in the... It almost looks like there was a conspiracy about 9/11 -- if you really look at all the facts. A lot of families now feel the same way.
[...]
HOST: With your 7,000 members, I'm sure you've talked to most if not all of them. What percentage would you say believe 9/11 is an inside job to some extent?
BILL DOYLE: Maybe half... Probably 50/50.
Full interview here:
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/aj_2006-07-07_clipped.mp3
"We Were Also Killed On 9-11... Avenge Us." First Responders Speak Out
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6138
DOCUMENTARY 9/11: Press for Truth
THE COVER UP EXPOSED BY THE 9/11 FAMILIES.
Following the attacks of September 11th, a small group of grieving families waged a tenacious battle against those who sought to bury the truth about the event -- including, to their amazement, President Bush.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481 - CloakandSwagger, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6@ thebaron2
According to intelligence sources close to the the UN security council and the Pentagon, there were plans set in place before the war started for a private military group to perform an "off the book" operation carried out under the OSP (Office of Special Plans) that would have allowed them to stage the discovery of WMD in Iraq.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Secretive_military_unit_sought_to_solve_0105.html - Vinadetta, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7So according to RogerStrong if we go to Pennslyvania we will find the 747 barried into the ground, I guess the ground just swallowed the entire airplane, so all we need is a couple of shovels and poof, there will be the airplane and the giant engines that went into the ground!!!!! Yeah, Ok, right... There are no photos of anything at that crash site!!!
- NeoRicen, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
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