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- understudy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+79London has 5+ million surveillance cameras and each person is filmed an average of 300 times per day, but guess what? All those cameras did nothing to prevent this 'attack' or others (subway/tube attacks), but they do attack the privacy of every citizen.
Now go back to what you think is your life.
_ - adameros, on 10/11/2007, -3/+41As much as I hate the current administration, but the more Lieberman opens his mouth, the happier I am that he never became Vice President.
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -3/+31Go ***** yourself, Joe.
- blindhammer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24You know what's sad? It would be fairly easy to cripple the average American city. There's absolutely no protection where protection is needed -- sewage, electrical and traffic systems.
That is why I don't get these car bombs. They lack sophistication and are completely ineffective. If a dedicated group of people really wanted to bring down the US economy, they could, very easily. Or at least bring a major American city to its knees. Thus, I am quite alarmed that a few crude car bombs in Scotland would cause Lieberman to call for cameras in major cities. If he is generally calling for the abandonment of the Constitution over can only be considered trivial "tactics" then I would hate to see him if something major happened.
More people in the United States die from racial violence than terrorism and the Government could really care less (see black on black violence in certain states). Yet, a car explodes in another country and the Lieberman wants to suspend our rights? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+26To date, no CCTV images of the four alleged suicide bombers have ever been released showing all four of the accused in London on July 7th 2005. In fact, only one CCTV image has ever been released which purports to show all four of the accused together outside Luton Station, approximately 30 miles from the scenes of the crimes, in which three faces are completely unidentifable.
http://julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-cctv-evidence.html - rainergamer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23Here we go.
millions of 'conspiracy theorists' just went "I told you so" - nace33, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23How about we quit pissing off the rest of the world so the need to spy amongst ourselves goes away!
- JusticeAK, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Together we can help stop Thought Crime. Please be vigilant.
/S - matador3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18Why didn't London's awesome camera system stop any of the "terrorists" Joe?
What a douche. - EochaidRiata, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13According to the BBC 4.2 million is for the entire country with about 500,000 in London.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6524495.stm - blindhammer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Because we're nearing the 4th of July in the US ...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness ... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. - amdi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Lieberman make me nauseous.
- redrock34, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14DUCK AND COVER!
- valdo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14You're a tad late, it's already in place... except for the chip...
- blindhammer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Those that would sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither. --Ben Franklin
- unibomber999, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15I fail to see how this negates his statement about London. Guess what, there are a lot of other cities everywhere, they just don't need to be mentioned everytime any other city is mentioned. So, pull your panties out of your crack and ***** off.
- smackedup, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10This is exactly why I can't stand Joe Lieberman.
- dalittle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10The big brother CCTV system in England that photographs the average British Citizen about 300 times a day did nothing to stop the terror attacks and has not to my knowledge even given a good image of what the terrorists look like. The removal of civil liberties and invasive surveillance of citizens by governments in democratic states makes us less free and I would argue plays into what terrorists want in the first place. Very bad acts by democratic governments in other states in the name of terrorism has very clearly made citizens of those states much less safe. Right wing policy has been carried out over the last so many years in the US and UK is clearly showing itself to be worse than a miserable failure. Lieberman is an idiot and someone should follow him around with a camera.
- Cyberen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9A corrupt politician pushing for spying because he suspects WE might be criminals? The irony is through the roof here.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10You also left out the feeds being piped through YouTube.
- SwordOfShannara, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9The nice thing about video cameras is they can be defeated with a can of spray paint.
- understudy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I mis-typed. 5 million for the country, not London alone. But the fact remains that more cameras are only good for the people who sell cameras.
_ - Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Lieberman does not represent the will of the people and for that matter most don't. It's time we move against them...
- JurneyAhed, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10It's odd that even we're not (over)reacting to this event as much as some of the Americans are.
- JimXugle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Whatever happened to the good 'ol days, when during WWII, the English used the phrase "Keep Calm, Carry On" to keep the civil peace?
Now, that's been replaced with the media saying something usually to the effect of "ZOMG WAHT OUR WE GUNNA DOOO???!!?!?!?!!?! AHHHH!!!" especially when there's another FOILED attack or a BOTCHED attack. - peregrine, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Well I told my girlfriend when we were reading about this the other day that this would happen.
A little part inside of me feels happy that I was right. The rest of me was and still is more scared of politicians then terrorists. - prammy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Of course they do. Terrorism provides a convenient persistent bogeyman that they can use to justify 'Big Brother' style actions. Unlike a normal war, the war on terror will never have a clear ending because new enemies can always be created.
Why exactly do you think that during news reports they have a terror alert and that the alert never goes below yellow and usually is almost always orange? - SenorCardgage74, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I hate that youre on my side
- Zantozz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Mr. Liebermann, when I can pull up your house and office building on YouTube, then I will consent to have myself monitored.
- drgkstep, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Can a Jew be a Nazi? I guess so.
- Thefatheroftime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5That is EXACTLY what the NSA wanted to do 15 years ago. The reroute all communications bit at least. Heard of the Clipper chip?
- strictlybogart, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5well you know, all he really gives a damn about is israel. i watched the show this morning he's another giuliani - proponant of constant vigilance and living in a state of fear. he went on to compare all this to the nazi's in world war 2 -- i wish the clip was longer because I don't recall all the specifics. he acts as a big proponent of the warrentless wiretapping and an lack of privacy under the excuse of national security. he wants to go after islam (iran) as it's a threat to israel. he also brought up how the installation of security cameras in chicago is such a great thing. this guy really needs to stfu.
- spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6maybe next year if this ***** keeps up long enough.... one can hope
- ruley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4if a mass media outlet says "zomg" im gonna ***** listen.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9Just because people are labeled 'conspiracy theorists' doesn't mean they aren't right!
- Schoinas, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5There is a very interesting documentary that was released last year entittled "America: From Freedom to Fascism". It's on DVD and definitely worth watching.
www.freedomtofascism.com - blindhammer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The link is fear. As long as we continue to remain fearful, the powers that be will continue to use that in order to whittle away our rights.
This isn't unique to human history. Nearly all governments have used fear as a justification to exert control over people.
This is what is frustrating as an American; the American revolution was a intended to reject systems of control and provide balance and guarantee liberty. To me, it's sad to see the spirit of the Revolution fade away. - stealthc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9Mentioning London is apropos because London is a ***** PRISON.
And I don't want my country modeled after that example. - LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10So Mr. LIEberman - when do you suggest we open up the 'camps' and 're-education' centers?
in soviet Amerika...
911 - 9/11 - the beginning of the Police State Planet.
Surveillance 24 hrs a day, everywhere, on everything.
Taxes Quadrupled, security costs tripled, government pensions doubled...
Tobacco related illness causes more harm to USA citizens than terrorists.
But I don't see Mr Lievermin calling for a Citywide ban on all smoking,
banning all Tobacco sales within city limits, and prison time for store owners selling Tobacco.
Close down the bars and ban all beer and alcohol while you are at it, too.
Outlaw Tobacco, Alcohol, and Driving with Cell phones - and you'll save a lot more lives
than sticking a camera on every telephone poll...
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/ped_10_1.asp
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm - rainergamer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Just because it's true doesn't mean it's right, don't lump everyone together in a general statement like "no one seems to mind when the bad guys are caught". That's idiotic.
- kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You should fear neither, but take cautious of politicians. Listen to how they talk. Most of what they say is a play on words.
- kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I was thinking more in terms of up the ass of the person who invented RFID along with the people who legislated that all citizens must have one.
BTW if you're reading this then congrats you are now an introvert. - mojibyrd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Tell ya what, you can install camera's in all the major cities only if we can have camera's every where in the white house on 24/7 so we can keep tabs on bush/cheney/gonzales and the rest of those lying tyrannical pricks....and only then
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4When the constitution was drafted there were no phones, camera's, RFID, bugs,microphones or e-mail. Privacy could not be invaded like it is today. There was no need for legislation then.
- pantsbandit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4How is a camera going to stop a terrorist? It's to catch the terrorists afterwards.
- blindhammer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Assuming the abortion clinic is a private business, then I believe that the clinic has the general right to place cameras on their property. There may be some privacy laws that pertain only to abortion clinics (given their sensitive nature).
The difference is that government is not placing nor controlling the cameras. And, Lieberman is reacting to one event while, in your scenario, it seems that the bombings are pandemic.
Yes, if we woke up tomorrow and every major city in the United States was hit by suicide bombers causing massive damage, then, yes, more enforcement may be needed. But one isolated event in another country? - blindhammer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Honestly, if someone really wanted to cause mass panic in a city, there are better means than simply running a van into an airport. As I said, I find nearly all of these attacks and plots to be somewhat suspect; the "terrorists" to me appear uneducated and underfunded.
I understand your point. But, I can assure you that Homeland Security rhetoric holds no way over me. My point is that if people REALLY wanted to bring down the US economy and/or hurt an American city, they would have. The 9/11 hijackers could have hit the NYSE instead (yes, tricky flying) or any of the major-backup power grids in the country. Or one of the buildings housing the Internet's network backbone. Or one of the major credit buildings (ala Fight Club). All of those would have substantially more impact than hitting the Pentagon or WTC.
That's the problem. We're supposed to be in a "War" but I find the targets of the people we are "fighting" against to be completely counter-intuitive. Why waste considerable resources attempting to damage a bridge when you can expend the same resources (and with a higher success rate) blowing up an unguarded power plant?
I mean, I remember when a terrorist was supposed to have targeted the Space Needle in Seattle. Why? Did they not like the overpriced and mediocre food at the top restaurant? It's a wasted target. It makes no sense. It makes me feel that, if we are fighting "terrorists" that are intent on "destroying America," they are pretty dumb. Really dumb. Really really really dumb
I suppose, though, I should clarify. When I say it would be fairly easy to cripple the average "American city" I should say that it would be fairly easy to cripple ANY city. - Socolco, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Nomentum Joe is a Zionist punk ass biatch.
- stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Joe Lieberman, the sellout mole. Say anything to keep the war going and to help the Republiclan Party.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Its amazing that nobody has taken this guy out with a high-power rifle. Of the handful of corrupt politicians whos deaths would actually be beneficial to the world, hes up near the top of the list.
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