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- migfart, on 10/12/2007, -23/+83Mike Gravel is the man. Honest, passionate and no *****.
- hamandcheese, on 10/12/2007, -9/+54I don't care if he has no chance. If there's going to be a debate we should have at least one candidate who isn't pandering to the public.
- MrDash001, on 10/12/2007, -15/+56Forget about he doesn't meet the character of a politician. He tells the truth, he cares about the issues and he is straight forward. He doesn't sound like politician material to me.
- joelpt, on 10/12/2007, -15/+56Couldn't agree more. He states the truth as he sees it, and makes no bones about doing so -- even (especially) when doing so would typically be considered to shed a bad light on him.
Interestingly, I find Gravel and Kucinich to be pretty similar in their basic goals/views and in the clarity of their presentations. It seems a bit like Kucinich and Gravel are two sides of the same coin: Kucinich is the friendly and reserved "healer" in his manner, whereas Gravel is the angry and aggressive "ass-kicker". But they both seem to share the same basic ideas about the biggest issues facing the US today.
Here's to hoping one or the other scores the nomination. I had high hopes for Obama and (to a lesser extent) Hillary, but after seeing their performance in the recent televised Democrat debate, both Gravel and Kucinich pretty much blew every other candidate out of the water with their clarity and ideas. And both Obama and Hillary greatly disappointed me: the message that I got from them both was an intent to continue trying to do politics in a 'business-as-usual' fashion. I'm not satisfied with the kind of "progress" such weak-handed methods have produced so far, and most especially not after the havoc Bush has wrought.
If one good thing has come out of Bush's reign, it is that he has shown us just how much a President can accomplish if he has the will to do it. I hope our Democrat president in 2008 will have learned this lesson well, and moves the nation with as much vigor in a helpful, rather than a harmful direction. - swrostmore, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40no, it makes perfect sense. a percentage of both democrats and republicans are disillusioned by two-party politics. Long shot fringe candidates are what passes for a third party in our political system. Disenfranchised democrats love Gravel because he helped end Vietnam, and disenfranchised republicans love the libertarian Ron Paul.
- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34You're saying we should just stick with whatever candidates the rest of the party likes the most? ***** that *****. I'm going to vote for the candidate I want to win, and party politics can get *****.
It's a small thing, but the only way I can truly make a difference is by voting for who I want, not "the lesser of two evils." - c5mjohn, on 10/12/2007, -19/+44CNN isn't "banning" him. To put on an effective debate they want to limit the number of candidates that are to participate, They decided, prudently, that they should determine who to invite by the amount of support they are getting in scientific polls, He will recieve an invitation if he drums up support roughly equivalent to one of the invited candidates.
I personally don't want a debate with 10+ democratic candidates. It would just be a *****, IMO. - clickmyface, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32Yeah, I agree. Although I still don't trust him. All the more reason to give him a chance to speak. I can't tell how serious he is, how much of his rhetoric he actually believes. I suspect he might be genuine, but it's hard to tell. He most certainly deserves to stand next to Clinton and Obama.
I really wish the gallup polls were out post-debate. Last ones out are from April 23rd, right before. I suspect he jumped a couple of points passed his 1% after the debates. - bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30Hillary: Who's this Gavel guy, don't they know that I'm a front runner!
Obama: Damned straight! I'm supposed to be the outsider and media darling in this race!
Gravel: I planned the filibuster that ended the Vietnam draft.
CNN#1: Doesn't that Gravel guy know when to shut up?
CNN#2: According to his record, nope. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29billiam627: I'm a big Ron Paul supporter, but it is fundamentally unfair and, to be honest, sickening that the media is trying to keep Gravel out of the debates. Even more disgusting is that many Democrats, such as yourself, are supportive of this censorship, demonizing people with different ideas as "kool aid drinkers" and "spammers." Your ad hominem attacks put you on the same level as neocon Republicans who despise Ron Paul and his backers. What's the point of having debates if everyone is going to say the same thing? Thankfully, we have the Internet, where people actually care about ideas and thought instead of going along with whatever the media feeds them. Keep your Obama/Clinton/McCain/Giuliani mainstream media *****, I'll take Gravel/Kucinich/Paul/Libertarian/Green "spam" any day of the week.
- furude, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28I see that Chuck Norris supports Mike Gravel for president.
- kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -12/+30For those who have been away, Gravel is diggs new Ron Paul.
- davidszcz, on 10/12/2007, -28/+46Am I the only one who doesn't think that Gravel is a god? Am I the only one who thinks he's a wack?
- DrColossus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20@c5mjohn
It's that same logic that keeps third parties out of national presidential debates and helps to keep this country a two party system. - bg785, on 10/12/2007, -21/+36damn straight migfart. we all need to work together to get him into the public's eye. the rest of the democrats will likely continue the war in Iraq and maybe even start one in Iran. not only that but their blinding support for Israel will only continue turmoil in the Middle East as the Palestinians remain oppressed.
- fyredragon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20I'll bet Hillary's pissed about being knocked out of the news cycle.
Obama owns her on Israel. Gravel seems like he would have no problem with calling her a self-serving, power-mad bitch. - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21That's a stupid comment.
Censorship that violates the 1st Amendment can only come from the government. Censorhip in general can come from anywhere.
For instance, I'm censoring you by digging you down. - scheibs14, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Direct link to petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/283054100 - gmason08, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20@patr84
Well said and damn right. I know very little about Gravel but my guess is, based simply on the fact that his message is being suppressed/shouted down/getting the negative spin treatment, that if I checked him out he would likely be among that rare breed of politicians, an honest one. If he is honest but I do not agree with his positions I will still do whatever I can to help him get his message out. The Top Down political process is hurting us all. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Honest debate is "disruptive" to the political process? Explain to me how it's a "bunch of horsecrap" that America might preemptively strike Iran? Obama and others aren't willing to "take anything off the table" with regard to dealing with Iran, so it's a fair question. By the way, Lyndon Johnson ran as the peace candidate in the 60's. I'm sure you would have defended him when people questioned his true intentions regarding Vietnam.
- skeptic2525, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17@Junkyarddawg
You're so right man. Only those candidates who have the support of big corporate interests and the rich and powerful elite should ever be heard, much less considered for public office. /s
There aren't words for what I think of ignorant brain-washed dupes like you. If people such as yourself had been the majority 250 years ago we'd still be subjects of the british monarchy. - BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20 I watched the debate. Mike Gravel was like a real man stuck in a window display full of manikins. He was a BS interpreter for the rest of the candidates. It was unbelievable! I'm ashamed I never heard of him.
But seeing how he gets treated by the media, I can only anticipate the reaction Ron Paul will get during the Republican debate next week. - themonkman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16While Gravel is unconventional, he is by no means a "quack". He seems to understand how corrupted Washington has gotten, how politics has usurped the will of the people, and how unfair the current income tax system is. Gravel came from a period in time where hard talking figures like Gen. Patton told you how it was, cut through the *****, and pulled out all stops on niceties. We need genuine people like this in Washington, and especially at the Whitehouse. What I find most honorable about Gravel is his beliefs regarding our rights. So many other politicians are far too willing to try to yank away our freedoms and rights as citizens of this country simply because it's easier than coming up with a real solution to our security problems.
I haven't set my mind on anyone yet, but I want to hear more from Gravel. The media owes a former senator who helped end Vietnam and expose corruption in the Pentagon the right to be heard. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Junkyarddawg: That argument is really stupid and, more importantly, dangerous. You might be happy with the corporate funded candidates who have unlimited access to the corporate media, but you're missing out on a whole range of perspectives that aren't in line with the status quo. Candidates like Mike Gravel and Ron Paul have tons of potential supporters, but they are ignored because they don't have enough supporters. And since the media won't pay attention to them, it's hard for them to gain supporters and donations. It really is a vicious and unfair cycle. Luckily, with the advent of the Internet, blogs, and social news sites like Digg, the grassroots have an opportunity to spread the word about independent candidates. Complain all you want, but I think it's a valid and positive use of the alternative media. We can finally sidestep the biased and deceitful mainstream media and offer an opportunity for fair coverage of every candidate.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16"Exclusion does not equal censorship."
Isn't the end result the same? - clickmyface, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Fyredragon: "...Dugg you up because they're Digging you down for disagreeing with them."
Interesting justification. I'm digging him and you down because he made generalizations and stereotypes that assume that because some diggers supported a "wacko" candidate then they must be the same people who support this "wacko."
I also reject his claim that this guy is "wacko." If you and he actually watched the debates I suspect you'd come to a different conclusion. His conclusions about Iraq and about government are actually quite sane, logical, and justified. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11What's so crazy about being against the use of nuclear weapons and being the guy who's responsible for ending the Vietnam draft?
- hamandcheese, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@winnch
I don't give a ***** if you don't agree with him. Every current candidate besides maybe Ron Paul and Gravel are all changing their opinions and ideas simply for the one or two extra votes. Gravel speaks his mind, and if he sounds like a loud mouth old timer so be it. It's his voice and CNN had no right to bar him.
Me personally, I would never vote for either candidate. I just like things to be fair and I honestly think people like Gravel will keep the ***** out of thee debate. - Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Barack is the man! Obama in '08!
... Oooh, who's THAT?
Ron Paul is a great candidate! Ron Paul in '08!
... Oooh, who's THAT?
Mike Gravel is a true American! Mike Gravel in '08! - trenchcoat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12A quote from the site...
"Of course CNN, WMUR and the Union Leader would NEVER "ban, bar, refuse admission to or otherwise exclude" Sen. Gravel...they just will not invite him. You have to love their semantics."
Exclusion does not equal censorship. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Any candidate that would work to abolish the Federal Reserve and bring our troops home immediately is worth your vote. As simple a campaign strategy as it may seem, it is the only first step towards fixing this country's deficit problems. The country is going bankrupt, and I postulate that if we can't get a progressive into the White House in 2008, that the middle class is going to be wiped out in the years to come from a crumbling economy.
The reason why candidates like Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, and Ron Paul are different is because they seem to respect human life and Our Consitution more than they do lobbyists and special interest groups. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Giuliani, Edwards, etc., etc., etc... These are the guys who will protect the system as it exists. Know your enemy. - Nidy1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Signing it, not necessarily because I support him, but as Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- cmp1988, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12If he's running for president, let the man SPEAK, CNN. He has as much right as Obama or Clinton to speak in the debate as anyone else. Signed.
- jcocomo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I don't think Mike Gravel is a "god," either. He's honest and straightforward about the war in Iraq, which is unusual, but on most other issues he seems nearly incoherent if you actually listen to him. There was a debate among the Democratic candidates regarding health care reform not long ago, and his ideas were so disorganized and poorly articulated that the moderator was actually prompting him to get an intelligible explanation of what the heck he was talking about.
I'll sign the petition to get him into the present debate, because I think he has a right to be heard, and I think he has some important things to say about the war, I also think he's a bit of a crank when it comes to most other issues.
(The Gravel's bit in the health care debate I mentioned is on three parts on YouTube, here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyW7y0hq8XQ here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPIoSK-FHk and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHvG5QnOlXg ) - gooddaysunshine, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Obama and Iran
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0409250111sep25,1,4555304.story
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/03/02/D8NK74JO0.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256243,00.html
http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=12916 - TheRealNojo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9They are accusing him of being crazy because he doesn't want to waste more of our country's money on foreign conflicts. Yeah I know that is extremely crazy.... And a man that is for the removal of the IRS? Why aren't more people standing up for this cause? And a reform of our drug crime policies. This man seems to be one of the best candidates.
- themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16I'd help and all, but I live in Canada.
- cmkennedy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5sultantravi: 'You're saying we should just stick with whatever candidates the rest of the party likes the most? ***** that *****. I'm going to vote for the candidate I want to win, and party politics can get *****.'
Amen. Here's to Gravel at least making Hillary and Obama adopt some of his techniques and viewpoints, if not outright beating them in the primaries. - gooddaysunshine, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13Jim Walton, President of CNN Newsgroup, can be reached directly in his office at 404-878-1720.
- crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9a simple solution for this is he should show up for the debate anyway. crash the party, so to speak. if they still don't allow him in, then they are denying his admission to the debate.
- TheN0ble, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Finally, someone with the balls to stand up and say what needs to be done NOW!
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Haha... "Who's responsible for the upcoming financial Holocaust? The Ashkenazi bankers!"
I don't know if it's technically a neo-nazi site, but it sure as ***** is filled with bigotry, complete with ramblings about the world-wide conspiracy of jewish bankers. - sheasie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Petition actually here:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/832659976 - gooddaysunshine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The equal-time rule specifies that U.S. radio and television broadcast stations must provide an equivalent opportunity to any opposing political candidates who might request it. This means, for example that if a station gives one free minute to a candidate on the prime time, it must do the same to another.
However, there are four exceptions: if the air-time was in a documentary, interview, scheduled newscast or an on-the-spot news event the equal-time rule is not valid. Since 1983 political debates not hosted by the media station are considered news events thus may include only major-party candidates without having to offer air time to minor-party or independent candidates.
This rule was originally created by the Federal Communications Commission in 1927, in the Radio Act. It was later superseded by the Communications Act, where the Equal Time Rule lies under Section 315.
A related provision of Section 315 requires that broadcasters offer time to candidates at the same rate as their "most favored advertiser". Another provision prohibits stations from censoring campaign ads.
The rule was created because FCC thought the stations could easily manipulate the outcome of the elections. - pizzatsf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Thats not comment abuse.
- skilly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Help Mike get a voice in the Debate. LETS show the Media elite we have a voice use any and all the info below to reach out before June 3rd!
To sign a petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/283054100
To Let CNN know how you feel: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form.sound.off.html
Jim Walton, President of CNN Newsgroup, can be reached directly in his office at 404-878-1720.
The following three individuals were involved with the decision to keep Mike Gravel out of the June 3rd debate in New Hampshire:
Andrea Jones, ABC News, Washington D.C. (202) 222-6896
E-mail: andrea.jones@abc.com
Alex Jasiukowicz, WMUR-TV. (603) 641-9073
E-mail: ajasiukowicz@hearst.com
Charlie Perkins, Editor of the New Hampshire Union-Leader. (603) 668-4321 x 321
E-mail: cperkins@unionleader.com - nick111, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I don't think it is.... it's more to do with being starved... of anything remotely resembling honesty, for such a long time.
When a breath of fresh air does turn up, you can't expect everyone not to breathe.
I think if you're not understanding why people are so in love with this guy, you're not understanding how disgraceful the current administration is. It wasn't always like this you know. - Phlag, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Even if the end result is the same, it's not censorship. Someone committing suicide and someone being murdered have the same end result, but they are very different things. The use of the word "censorship" unnecessary and serves only to rile Diggers up.
I guess you could say that CNN is censoring me and the crazed homeless guy who lives under the bridge because they won't let us participate in the debate - how DARE THEY. - jus10y, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Ron Paul v Gravel
- bg785, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6i hear a lot of people question if gravel is 4real. but have you not looked at his history? he single handedly ended the draft in vietnam. besides Dennis, he was the only guy on that stage who, when it mattered most, did what he had too to stop a war. all the others went along with the war resolutions in 2002 and are still essentially lying down for BUSH. yes they passed the war resolution with a timetable but those pussy democrats have already said they will vote in favor of a bill w/o a timetable! they are just as complicit in the deaths of those 100,000s of Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers as Bush. They took the easy road; the politically expedient road and for that they will never get my vote. that is why; at this point i will vote for gravel because he is the only one that has actually stood up to power and done what was right. ***** obama and hillary.
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