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- branagh, on 10/11/2007, -6/+182Gee, does this surprise anyone?
- terracotta, on 10/11/2007, -3/+146"Focusing solely on the terrorism charges brought in the period" (FY 2004-2006)
14 charges (against 12 individuals)
-6 withdrawn by the DHS
-1 was not sustained
-2 still pending
-1 was otherwise dealt with
Only 4 were sustained
Assuming 1 charge per person
4 of 814073 immigrants
1/203518th
0.0004914 percent
Money spent on DHS FY 2004-2006
2004 $40.7 billion
2005 $46.0 billion
2006 $41.1 billion
From 2004-2006, $127.8 billion spent on Homeland Security, 4 sustained charges
$31,950,000,000 per charge
WTC construction cost $900 million in 1975, or $4 billion today
For each terrorism charge, we could build 8 World Trade Centers - Aeaus, on 10/11/2007, -6/+144No, anybody can become a terrorist, especially groups that disagree with the government, such as : pro-abortion activists, gay activists, anti-war activists, and especially groups supporting responsibility in government and the reduction of corporate influence in American politics. Frankly, anybody in America can become a potential terrorist and we must INCREASE the size of the DHS rather then anything else, extending their right to surveillance onto all Americans. After all, if you're not a terrorist you shouldn't have anything to hide.
((Sarcasm, just in case you want to digg me down and digg up the person pointing out it is sarcasm.)) - kayaker712, on 10/11/2007, -5/+94This is hardly a surprise. Anyone with half a brain knew this was a scam from the beginning.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -4/+56@fuzzmeister: You don't throw everyone in jail; you just throw ENOUGH people in jail to keep the rest in line. It also provides a convenient way to do get rid of people who are inconvenient to those in power (i.e. political opponents. See the recent attorney firings for attempts at that kind of stuff). The Soviets were expert at this (and the Russians still are), as are the Chinese. Hell, even our "good friend" Pakistan has Musharraf keeping the heads of the top political opposition parties in exile under threat of arrest if they set foot in the country.
And if someone high in office sends an order, how many government people (who can be sheep like the rest of us) would question it? Especially if they, themselves, were political appointees? If we have more Monica Goodlings in government, then people are being hired on their party loyalty more than their qualifications.
It's sad this is the only history this administration seems to be learning from. - maxtangent, on 10/11/2007, -4/+56Now we need to spread this information as widely as possible.
- 18wattfan, on 10/11/2007, -5/+50I know people's mouths dropped open when, during the debates, Ron Paul said he'd want to eradicate Homeland Security. Besides DHS being unconstitutional, the above article vindicates Dr. Paul's comments he made in front of that NeoCon audience in S.C.
- Look4Truth, on 10/11/2007, -7/+49No surprise there. The NWO set up H.S. for us, the citizens. They're not building camps all around the country for nothing.
- SandorClegane, on 10/11/2007, -3/+45This will probably be buried as Ron Paul spam but....
Ron Paul is the only candidate from any party that favors shutting down the DHS. Bet your bottom dollar, if anyone but him gets elected their funding will increase, and we'll be less free because of it. - PixelVision, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40In the UK we have the Ministry of Justice. Now THAT sounds like a fascist supervillain group!
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -4/+39This should answer the "if you have nothing to hide, why are you afraid" question the idiots have been asking since HS was conceived...
- LOCK3D, on 10/11/2007, -3/+36@fuzzmeister
Read US Army regulation 210-35 titled "Civilian Inmate Labor Program" : http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
It basically makes it so those they imprison don't cost them money, but instead make them money. They could imprison the vast majority of the population if they wanted and use them as slave labor. - Look4Truth, on 10/11/2007, -6/+35Fuzz, they have already suspended habeas corpus which means they can put anyone they want in jail without a trial forever. That sound like a good idea to you? They're going to throw anyone in jail or camps that won't go along with their NWO program. Sound nutty? Just you wait, mark my words...
- TVisdoG, on 10/11/2007, -17/+44@alexjonesfan:
Is it me, or does it seem like the line between legitimate conspiracy theories and clinical psychosis is being blurred more and more all the time? Please stop repeating Alex Jones and think for yourself. I'm not saying that everything the man says is wrong, but stop and listen to yourself sometime. - ussoldier, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26I actually met a terrorist in prison. The charge he was conviced of: "Making Terroristic Threats"
I was like, what, you're joking??? Totally laughable, because this guy was a real harmless character and kind of a bumbling goof aka Homer Simpson. This guy was your basic living on the streets good old boy who's world revolved around working day labor, getting drunk, and goting to tittie bars. So I asked him to tell me the story. A pathetic shallow life, albeit, but otherwise harmless and common.
Apparently, he got into an arguement with his mom (he was still living at home, even though he was about 35) while he was drunk. My guess is, mom yelling at him for coming home drunk yet again. They get in a squabble, she grabs a butter knife, stabs him (according to his story), and he conversely, considering he's slap ass drunk, threatens back he is goign to kill her.
So yeah, there it is. Your run of the mill Homeland Security terrorist. A standard domestic dispute that has been going on since the invention of vino (wine).
I don't feel any safer knowing he was in prison, he was a good guy with an alcohoic problem who got into a fracas one afternoon with his mom. In the end, his five years in prison probably cost the taxpayers $200,000, and the sad part was, he had a hernia that was popping out his stomach that wasn't being treated for. The guy was in pain quite often. Another nice guy in there who was a couple of bunks down, big guy, who was a construction engineer was going blind. His crime was a shoving match with a cop... over some tools his crackhead wife had taken to a pawnshop, which he was trying to get back... 5 years too. - FrankieB078, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Quote:
"This once again highlights that the terrorist threat to America is vastly over hyped and is being used by a criminally controlled government as an excuse to police the world and foment a domestic police state to crush any dissent amongst the American people."
That is all. - cecilgreen, on 10/11/2007, -5/+27This news, however not surprising, made me throw-up in my mouth a little.
- skyfire1, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26I told my sister about this and she replied, "Oh well they had to be doing something wrong to be called a terrorist."
Dumb bint. - macgyver1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21I sure miss my civil liberties.....
- jdaniel284, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22Police State.
- qdkk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22I always thought that "homeland security" sounded fascistic.
- sailyn, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21Seems as if most already know it. I've been telling everyone I know.
- jeffiek, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24I'm certainly not surprised. It's a natural result of unconstrained government, and it's time to examine it. Examine the system that was _supposed_ to protect us from the government.
Ask anyone you know that is in any management position at all, especially accountants. Systems are supposed to _prevent_ things from going wrong. The US system of government _did not_ prevent the creation of the DHS. It did not prevent the war in Iraq when it should have. It did not stop government from growing into a behemoth that consumes >40% of GDP. These are not isolated failures, they've happened many times before. It's endemic.
It's time to re-examine the system, find ways to reduce it to its proper function, and find ways to keep it there. To do that, we need to elect representatives. Not politicians, representatives. People willing to change the establishment.
(and now for the shameless plug) Ron Paul is a start, but only a start. There needs to be an awakening of Americans, a rediscovery that citizens can stand on their own two feet without a nanny to guide them from cradle to grave. - skyfire1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19I am definitely getting a USP and a AR-15 next summer.
- duggDigg69, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18*********************************
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
Benjamin Franklin
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Lets get rid of cars.....and toasters....microwaves........blenders.....electricity......the sun. Each of those kill thousands of times more people every year than all the terrorist attacks in the world combined. (ok not blenders....) - 1013, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17@ucytheynv
No, wrong. We the people were told that the Department of Homeland Security was put into place to keep the Homeland safe from terrorism. We already had agencies for immigration, border security, drug enforcement, etc. Why not just fund those agencies rather than create another bureaucracy? The DHS is a fraud and a waste of taxpayer money. - 4chin8, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Forgive me while I throw up!!! I never understood how adding another layer to the bureaucracy was going to help streamline anything, but what it did do is allow Pres. Bushy to staff a whole new agency with hand picked cronies totally bought in to his agenda.
- emiliogtz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19More like homeland insecurity...
- theboohi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I agree, but we might want to start by linking an article from CNN instead: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/27/homeland.security.record/index.html
These political blogs lose a lot of credibility by being so biased, even when they are making good points. - otep, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14
Clearly, the DHS hate America. - paulverize, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16lol, my bro got a year in prison for telling a judge that he wished the judge would die of a heart attack, that is terrorism? Even if it was wrong, I still think it is free speech!!! NOT TERRORISM, the terrorism here is by the judge, IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Guydevice, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12@ xen0blue:
The right to attend a peaceful anti-war rally without the fear of being put on a terrorist watch list?
The right of privacy?
The right of habeas corpus? - clyde2801, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Foreigners who hate our freedoms and our way of life: terrorists.
Non-foreigners who hate our freedoms and our way of life: neo-cons. - lvbuckeye, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Homeland Security is a clone of Fatherland Security from 1930s Germany.
- noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14It is a waste of money really, it is a good idea in theory, to coordinate all of our disaster management and security agencies but in practice it is a slow and sloppy system. They've also come up with the genius idea of replacing the Coast Guards in house training with civilians who are trained to train the Coast Guard.
- lvbuckeye, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11the Patriot Act is a clone of the Enabling Act from 1930s Germany.
- paulverize, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Democrat and Republican (Cept Ron Paul) both = DHS and war mongering, so I think you are quite safe.
- skulljar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10You're right. Government always seeks more power. It's inevitable. It's human nature. Power corrupts. These seem cliché, but they're simply true.
- oriondarkwood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Tommorrow's headlines (forgive me for butching lines from POTC3)
The East India Trading Company (sorry DHS) announces due to piracy (err Terrorism) the follow rights are revoked:
"..right to assembly, right to habeus corpus, right to legal counsel, right to verdict by peers and any suspected piracy (terrorism) or association with pirates (terrorist) is punishable by death..."
Sad but true between Bush, the bootlickers in Congress (both old and new) and Supreme court.. Terrorism is basically as follows
If you speak against the goverment you must be a terrorist
If you take offense at the overt corruption in the goverment you must be a terrorist
If you speak out against the fact we have created the perfect breeding ground and honing area for terrorists, then you must be one
If you read the Quran or read anything remotely Arabic (al-jazeera included), you must be a terrorist
If you ever gone outside the country especially to the middle east or asia you must be a terrorist
If you listen to anything other than FOX news you must be a terrorist
Well guess what I am a terrorist, sadly in years past I would be caused a revoultionary...
- Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14The problem with the military enslaving the populace is that most people in the military tend to see themselves as serving the nation and the Constitution, and wouldn't do it. The police, however, see themselves as petty lords and would do it in a heartbeat. Good thing there isn't much coordination between police departments.
- Firehed, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Sooo... what were *you* in prison for?
/had to ask - JoshuaGross, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9To everyone who's already said that the DHS sounds fascist and like Hitler's Fatherland Security, thank you. I've always thought this. Department of Homeland Security. Patriot Act. Domestic terrorism. National Security Letters. How could anyone EVER think those were legitimate? Fascism is fascism, even if you decide to call it democracy.
- dodus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@N256:
Is that an incorrect assumption? When was the DHS created, and under what pretenses? I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that yes, terrorism is the DHS' raison d'etre. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Yet another multi-billion dollar government agency designed to maintain a non-existent problem just to make people 'feel better'.
Sheesh. - TheN0ble, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7And we spend over 500 billion dollars on Defense for what? A Terrorist attack? Why? Simple, someone is profiting from that defense money every American is paying for, to find out who it is, watch the movie: "Iraq for Sale : The War Profiteers".
- orientis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I think what many people don't realise is that politics works in cycles, almost on its own terms. Yes, individual people make up the government - but then individual people make up a lynch mob. In groups, especially complex dynamic systems such as government, movements can have their own impetus. Ask any German who survived the war.
I think you guys are frogs in a pot of water. Water's gettin warmer folks. - Wacer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Ya, OK, there are 800,000 possible cases that will never be dropped and the people will be a terrorist watch list. There liberties will be curtailed.
They have the law now to where someone on the watch list can have their rights taken away. Hell they will probably end up adding half the country before they are done. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6http://digg.com/world_news/homeland_security_funds_being_used_to_bust_small_time_pot_dealers
- bluelightnin90, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7We need to start to do something. Here on Digg we have millions of rational people all together in one place. With this number of intelligent people, we can accomplish alot. Maybe something on the lines of getting Ron Paul elected, or something to end this police state, and oppression.
- paulverize, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10yeah, he is a dead idiot. Found dead about 2 months ago asshat. Cause of death undetermined. He prolly was an idiot for participating in the gulf war and risking his life for the war machine. My point is that everything has become terrorism, terrorism this, terrorism that, DHS have never truely defined terrorism it can be anything.
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