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- tmonsta1, on 11/12/2009, -71/+755more power to him!
I won't say "under god"
"one nation, indivisible"... as it was originally written - mommaserene, on 11/12/2009, -35/+538Such a brave little boy...
It is patriotic to dissent. It is honorable and dignified to stand up for what you believe. And it is brave to take responsibility for those beliefs. - Cracken, on 11/13/2009, -11/+387Correct. "Under god" was never in the original. Thanks 1950s.
- ParadiscaCorbas, on 11/12/2009, -29/+362Will Phillips, made of win.
We haven't been "one nation, indivisible" in a long time.
And it takes a ten year old with a good heart to remind us that the "compassionate conservatives" who would deny rights to women, and GLBT are not really honoring the pledge they said every morning growing up.
This kid is gonna be a real power in the world if he has such unshakable moral convictions at such a tender age.
I wish him every success. - LawIsGone, on 11/12/2009, -39/+357I am a very religious person, and I whole-heartedly support this kid.
What ever happened to separation of Church and State? - acandoga, on 11/13/2009, -25/+255Whether you agree with his "silent protest" or not, the kid is smarter than a vast majority of our population for having the courage to stand up for what he believes in.
If he was my kid, I'd slap him high five...and say keep going after what you believe in.
Too many people wanting to keep up with the jones' these days.
More power to you, kiddo!! - zip000, on 11/13/2009, -7/+186Also the "In God We Trust" motto didn't become the official motto of the US until 1956. Many have this illusion these days that we have always been a "Christian nation", but most of the religiosity was shoe horned in in the last half century.
- mparker21311, on 11/13/2009, -8/+152My girlfriend and I don't want to get married because of religious discrimination towards homosexuals.
Or at least, that's my excuse. hehe - novenator, on 11/13/2009, -17/+159And there was a time when blacks could not marry whites too. LGBT equal rights is the civil rights struggle of our generation. Help or get out of the way.
- KibblesnBitts, on 11/13/2009, -6/+140West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette in 1943 - as in 66 years ago - gives him the right to refuse to stand. Good for him.
- BlackQueen40, on 11/13/2009, -14/+119For those who run up against the argument that this country was founded as a Christian nation, you need only point people to The Treaty Of Tripoli, Article 11. The Founding Fathers make plain our country was NOT founded on the Christian religion. Here's the link which also discusses how the treaty was read aloud in Congress at the time it was ratified with Article 11 being read aloud with the rest of it. Our Founding Fathers were running the country then and ratified it with 339 votes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
- rikwakefield, on 11/13/2009, -8/+111Zach, you dumb *****, you explained almost exactly what the civil rights movement was about:
"this is a minority claiming rights for themselves in the face of tradition, and popular opinion." - cuervoman914, on 11/13/2009, -10/+107immorality has nothing to do with rational thought and rights. so sad to see a grown person (not to confuse you with an adult) support such a stupid, backwards view.
- Atario, on 11/13/2009, -4/+92McCarthyites in the 1950s happened to it.
*****. - record200, on 11/13/2009, -7/+95"Pledge Of Allegiance" can be given but once.
And given not by kids but warriors...
I find it moronic to make kids to utter non-sense over and over again. - kward711, on 11/13/2009, -8/+94"The inability to marry people of the same gender, which has been voted down by citizens in 31/31 instances?"
voters aren't meant to decide on who gets equal rights. How do you think interracial marriage became legal? - jbellanca, on 11/13/2009, -3/+77Um… right. There's that one small tiny minor civil liberty called marriage. And then there's hospital visitation rights. Tax inequality - actually, over 1000 tax inequalities. And in most states, a person can get fired from his/her job for being gay. But, hey, you're right - those are all minor, right? What civil liberties?
- mrbroli, on 11/13/2009, -3/+75Everyone here seems to miss the entire point of the article. He's not protesting the "under God" portion, he's protesting the "liberty and justice for all" portion.
- timschuit, on 11/13/2009, -22/+94Good for him.
BTW...the pledge of allegiance is nothing more than a mantra which attempts to mindwash youngsters. It is 100% irrational to "pledge allegiance" to a flag or any other symbol. - novenator, on 11/13/2009, -13/+84You're being ridiculous zach. People are BORN gay, it's not some perverted lifestyle that corrupts America, it's just as natural in our species as in dozens of other species of animals on the planet.
They are human beings, and they deserve to be treated equally, regardless how uncomfortable it makes some homophobic people. - thundacatblue, on 11/13/2009, -6/+76Harry Potter. Now THAT'S a book.
- basickly, on 11/13/2009, -8/+77Is that sarcasm?
Animals can't consent to marriage and children can't (for obvious reasons) legally consent to marriage.
Maybe cousins SHOULD be able to marry.
Two consenting adults is very different than one consenting adult and a dog.
And I guess you're implying that gay adults should be legally equated to animals and children, instead of other adults?
- milkmit, on 11/13/2009, -7/+76...thanks to the red scare. Key word: scare. The root of religious power.
- basickly, on 11/13/2009, -4/+72Also, your "100 years ago" argument doesn't work.
I could use that argument to keep women from voting on the grounds that we might let children and dogs vote next...
Or we should not let blacks on our buses, because then we'll have to let dogs on our buses...
Or we should not let gays get married, because then we'll have to let dogs get married...
See how those are all equally ridiculous statements? - kward711, on 11/13/2009, -11/+77no, your just twisting it around. Please show me specifically how our founding fathers wanted this nation to be a christian theocracy. Find any writings or specific examples from the constitution that you can.
- norwegianlegion, on 11/13/2009, -5/+66I don't think a kid at that age is even allowed to ride a Harley. You must be misinformed.
- tek69, on 11/13/2009, -3/+62you suck at trolling, but you've got douchebaggery nailed.
- Elranzer, on 11/13/2009, -9/+67It's patriotic indoctrination.
- bated321, on 11/13/2009, -5/+62You cannot inherit what does not exist
- lokee73, on 11/13/2009, -5/+58Ok, let me get this straight.
In heaven there wont be any people who are sexually immoral, idolators, adulterers, gays, drunkards, or slanderers?
Sounds boring. - MartiniD, on 11/13/2009, -9/+62To all of you conservative *****... Let's vote on YOUR Civil Rights in the 2010 elections, see how comfortable that makes you feel. What in the world does Gay Marriage have to do with your marriage? Why do you care so much about how other people live their lives especially when they aren't hurting you? If you don't agree with gay marriage then by all means don't have one, but what do you think gives you the right to stop two consenting adults from enjoying the same rights you yourself enjoy?
Despite what your personal religious convictions are, marriage in this country is 100% a legal matter and has ZERO to do with religion. I can sit in a church all day long and have a priest/minister/reverend/rabbi/monk what have you, and they can perform the ceremony 1000 times but none of it means anything without the marriage license issued BY THE STATE. Hell I don't even need to visit a religious figure to perform the marriage, I just need to visit a Justice of the Peace...a STATE employee. In this country its citizens are supposed to be granted equal protection and opportunities under the law. I dunno which Constitution you neo-cons are reading from but mine doesn't have the clause that says homosexuals are less than human and don't deserve equal rights. - Zetal, on 11/13/2009, -5/+57Freakin' fundamentalists.
- flossdaily, on 11/13/2009, -7/+58it's always been a two-way barrier. have you ever READ the 1st amendment? There are TWO clauses about religion:
1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
2) nor prohibit the free exercise thereof
TWO WAY BARRIER. COULDN'T BE MORE CLEAR. - Murrabbit, on 11/13/2009, -9/+56He's quite young to have an understanding of the fact that love for your country doesn't necessarily mean knee-jerk agreement with all of it's policies. He's shaping up to be a fine citizen!
- novenator, on 11/13/2009, -38/+83I stopped regurgitating the phrase 'under god' in the pledge in the 3rd grade. Even at that age, I knew that it was unconstitutional and beyond that morally wrong to force a religious view on kids my age. I never refused to say the rest of the pledge though.
This is one brave kid, and now he is going to learn the cost of taking a courageous stand. There is going to be ridicule, bullying, and dirty tactics from his classmates, school administrators, AND the members of the community. Change is never easy, and proponents of reform are often subject to vile smear tactics and demonizing by the opponents of making this world a better place. Brace yourself kid, it's going to get ugly, but if you stay true to your virtues, you will come out stronger than before. - lokee73, on 11/13/2009, -8/+53Wow, you really have no idea at all what you are talking about do you. You probably think the founding fathers were all Christians to.
- askantik, on 11/13/2009, -1/+41This is also the reason you have retards who are afraid of things called socialism or communism even when they aren't anywhere near those terms. They also think socialism, communism, and fascism are all words with the same definition.
:[ - KOSmurfy, on 11/13/2009, -5/+45"And this discrimination would be...? The inability to marry people of the same gender, which has been voted down by citizens in 31/31 instances?"
Yeah, that would be it.
"this is a minority claiming rights for themselves"
..which the majority already enjoy. Yeah, how dare they.
" in the face of common sense, tradition, and popular opinion"
Common sense? Not sure what you're even talking about there. Tradition? Logical fallacy. Popular opinion? Logical fallacy. Have any valid arguments?
"I suppose the "rights" of polygamists will be the "civil rights struggle" of the next generation?"
Hey look, another logical fallacy. You're just full of those, aren't you? - alphgeek, on 11/13/2009, -2/+41Why not the polygamists next? Who are you or I to say they shouldn't have the right to get married like anyone else, assuming that consent is involved?
It always amazes me that conservatives seem to be the ones demanding that the state does not interfere with their rights but they are the first ones to trample on the rights of those they disagree with. - shibbyo, on 11/13/2009, -1/+37"And do you know why 'Under God' was added to the pledge of allegiance, and it's reason?"
Yeah, to stick it to the communists. - seltaeb4, on 11/13/2009, -4/+40That's a really down-to-Earth philosophy.
- waydee, on 11/13/2009, -3/+39I don't know of any other western country that makes children pledge allegiance to a flag at school - seems very odd.
- alphgeek, on 11/13/2009, -7/+40What's so hard to understand? Two people love each other, get married and spend their lives together, just like his mum and dad.
Who gives a ***** if they are both men or both women? What difference does it make? Kids see right through a lot of hypocrisy that adults seem to get caught in. - tek69, on 11/13/2009, -3/+33Don't feed the troll kids. And if he's not a troll, don't talk to the ***** kids.
- Amadeus2490, on 11/13/2009, -1/+31That kid would love to know about that, if he doesn't already.
- mejf2loy, on 11/13/2009, -4/+34Actually, they do not do this in Germany, and I've told people about it in Germany and they've responded with comments making reference to the Hitler youth etc.
As both a german and an american I can see where they are coming from. - tao52nyc, on 11/13/2009, -8/+38I haven't said the pledge since Vietnam...and never will again.
- JohnnySoftware, on 11/13/2009, -2/+32Excellent demonstration of a non sequitur as a non sequitur.
- McNerd, on 11/13/2009, -4/+33"Jobs," jbellanca covered: you're absolutely wrong. The federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act will hopefully go through very soon, but full enforcement is going to take time.
"A new house"?
Wikipedia: "Housing discrimination refers to discrimination against potential or current tenants by landlords. In the United States, there is no federal law against such discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, but at least thirteen states and many major cities have enacted laws prohibiting it."
"Food/gas"? Pretty sure it's absolutely legal to refuse service on the basis of sexual orientation. I can't find a citation so I could be wrong here. But do you honestly think this will be outlawed before employment discrimination is outlawed?
And this is just the current situation. It hasn't been fifty years since you could openly be ARRESTED for being gay. So if you "can't recall" a single time gay rights have been stepped on, you don't know enough. - basickly, on 11/13/2009, -14/+43Looking back at my grade school years, I'm actually a bit angry that my trusted teachers had me reciting "under God" propaganda all this time.
Wtf?
They had me professing my faith in kindergarten... For all intents and purposes I was FORCED to acknowledge God as the presiding power. I was certainly too young to decide for myself, and it's not like these teachers were my parents.
Wtf?
Even disregarding the "under God" issue, the whole thing is nationalist propaganda.
Wtf?
Where's Fox news when you need them?
I've been indoctrinated! Save me, Sean Hannity! -
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