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Kasparov seized by Russian police
news.bbc.co.uk — Russian police have detained opposition leader and former world chess champion Garry Kasparov.
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- HollowMarkeD, on 11/24/2007, -42/+10One too many gambits?
- DarkSamus, on 11/24/2007, -9/+8pawnd
should've castle earlier - sanman, on 11/24/2007, -37/+4Kasparov's quite the demagogue. He's just looking for a new career now that multi-core processors have made his old career obsolete.
It's worth noting to diggers that he was born Garry Weinstein - since we all know what feelings that particular ethnic background elicits here on Digg.
"Go Kasparov! What, he's a Jew? ***** the bastard!"- Modulo, on 11/25/2007, -0/+7What exactly in the ***** are you talking about?
- trovoltex, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2In Russia there is Kasparov. In USA there is Bobby Fischer.
Does American community know Bobby Fischer, a former American chess master? To mention, Fisher wasn't on KGB payroll. But Kasparov surely made in USA for Russia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer
- DarkSamus, on 11/24/2007, -9/+8pawnd
- had3l, on 11/24/2007, -17/+416Nothing to worry guys! Bush said he looked into Putin's soul and gave it his OK stamp.
- ChuckAndBob, on 11/24/2007, -24/+12Damn you for beating me to that comment! In my defense you only beat me by 47 minutes.
- Toronto86er, on 11/24/2007, -11/+7Dugg for giving me a good laugh.
- badqat, on 11/24/2007, -31/+6So, are you calling for the United States to do something other than simply protest through the State Department? Or do you just feel it required to poke fun at a lame duck president while admitting you have no solution?
- ccheath, on 11/24/2007, -3/+27no, we feel it's required to poke fun at dumb-asses who gives a ***** if they're lame, ducks, or presidents... we're equal opportunity fun-pokers
- DaSuHouSe, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2Do you know what the term "lame duck president" means?
- EBFoxbat, on 11/24/2007, -12/+3Check mate, Garry.
- sanman, on 11/24/2007, -19/+6Bah, I like Putin -- it's Europe that's the problem, these days. The old colonial mindset hasn't disappeared, it's just been lurking under the surface for the past few decades, waiting for a chance to make its comeback. I'm not Russian, and I don't care so much which leader Russia gets, as long as it's somebody who doesn't submit to European domination. That's the history of that part of the world: Europeans backed the communist revolution to undermine the Czar, then Russians get historically blamed for this. Hell, Stalin was a Georgian, and not a Russian. The West also backed that worthless drunk Yeltsin who sold out his country to foreign carpetbaggers. The West also backed fanatics in Chechnya, even when some of these guys were in cahoots with AlQaeda (no wonder the Europeans are soft on AlQaeda and the war on terror)
It's particularly pathetic to see the Ron Paul supporters on Digg constantly protesting against foreign lobbies and interest groups prostituting US policy to foreign interests, and yet they clam up when they see the same thing happening to another country like Russia. That sucks. And that's why the Ron Paul types will fail -- because they'll only speak up when their own house is being set on fire, but they'll keep quiet if they see their neighbor's house being set on fire. Whereas these foreign interest lobbies are united worldwise in their purpose, the local nationalists in various countries around the world are divided, isolated and self-centred. Those who are united will prevail, while those who are divided will fall. They'll simply be surrounded, isolated and brought down -- just like disorganized wild animals.- ChaosMotor, on 11/24/2007, -2/+13Putin is a tyrant and a thug who has steered Russia back into the darkness of totalitarian communism. Do you have any idea, any clue, even an inkling, of how many journalists have been murdered for investigating Putin's misdeeds?
- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -0/+5No, not communism. More like totalitarian capitalism. Sort of like what they have in China, but not quite. Unique, like most things in Russia.
- BabyWookie, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Since when is Russia back to communism and since when can Putin even begin to compare to true modern tyrants, such as Pinochet and Markos, not to mention Kim Jong Ill or Pol Pot? Also, I do have a strong inkling about how many journalist deaths Putin was directly involved in. None. The ***** Western press has been on a holly crusade to libel and smear Putin and Russia in general for the past few years. The West just can't stand the fact that Russia is beginning to independently stand on its own two feet again, not bowing to the Western economic and political interests. I don't even like Putin! He is a bit authoritarian for my tastes, but all these accusations, lies, misinformation and innuendo are complete BS!
- ChaosMotor, on 11/24/2007, -2/+13Putin is a tyrant and a thug who has steered Russia back into the darkness of totalitarian communism. Do you have any idea, any clue, even an inkling, of how many journalists have been murdered for investigating Putin's misdeeds?
- Revacard, on 11/24/2007, -8/+3And I bet your mom looked into your soul and gave her OK stamp. But look at you now...
- iLemon, on 11/24/2007, -2/+7How many diggs does it take to turn world news into a joke about Bush? ZING!
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -8/+3Sorry folks, it has nothing to do with Putin. Kasparov has violated the law, plain and simple. He got arrested for 5 days because of this violation. There is a legitimate court decision.
Besides, Kasparov is popular outside of Russia, not inside. Why? He is supported by US (been a member of US Security Council, for example). Also, he has nothing to offer to Russian nation.- ZPWeeks, on 11/25/2007, -1/+7Huh?
I hope you don't base all of your logic on the supremacy of law. Yes, if you only want to look at the simplest part of this, Kasparov broke the law. The law that requires citizens to pre-authorize their rallies, marches, etc. That means that these people don't have freedom of assembly.
It means that Putin's government is punishing people for voicing their opposition. I don't know crap about Russian politics, but they definitely don't seem to treat their own citizens too well.
Can I surmise that you used the same "she violated the law, plain and simple" argument for the Saudi woman who was sentenced to 200 lashes because she broke the law prohibiting unrelated males and females to be in each others' presence, even though she only "violated that law" because she was being raped?
This isn't a "respect the law's authori-tah" issue. This is a civil liberties issue, silencing opposition to the government in power should not be legal. I don't really know anything about either side in these politics, but right to assembly / speech should just be a given.- preved, on 11/25/2007, -2/+3Well, there is no nation in the civilized World, which does not arrest un-authorized / disturbing protesters. WTO protesters, anti-globalists, anti-war protesters, Greenpeace activists etc get arrested almost on daily basis in Europe and USA. It actually means, that Russia has the same level of assembly / speech rights as US & Europe.
- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -1/+1I don't know about Europe, but in the US it is very difficult to _not_ authorize a protest. And if a protest is authorized, then there is no need to break through police lines, so normally nobody gets arrested. And if police overstep their authority, there are usually consequences, so most of the time they are very civil and professional.
Here is an example of an incident involving a person openly carrying a gun in the state of New Hampshire, where it is legal, and the police http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1877338/p ... - starkruzr, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2People only get arrested for protests here when they do something that is against the law. Damaging property is a good example. Were these people damaging property?
- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -1/+1I don't know about Europe, but in the US it is very difficult to _not_ authorize a protest. And if a protest is authorized, then there is no need to break through police lines, so normally nobody gets arrested. And if police overstep their authority, there are usually consequences, so most of the time they are very civil and professional.
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -2/+3Well, there is no nation in the civilized World, which does not arrest un-authorized / disturbing protesters. WTO protesters, anti-globalists, anti-war protesters, Greenpeace activists etc get arrested almost on daily basis in Europe and USA. It actually means, that Russia has the same level of assembly / speech rights as US & Europe.
- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -1/+1Which law did he violate exactly?
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -1/+2http://www.rg.ru/2004/06/23/miting-dok.html
- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1Very interesting, indeed. So, as I understand it, "The Other Russia" was going to have a rally and a march. It was allowed to have the rally, but it was denied permission to march. Interestingly, the law you have linked to says nothing about obtaining permission for a march. It says that the local authorities must be _notified_ in advance, not asked for permission. In that case wouldn't denying citizens the right to march be illegal?
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -1/+2http://www.rg.ru/2004/06/23/miting-dok.html
- ZPWeeks, on 11/25/2007, -1/+7Huh?
- ChuckAndBob, on 11/24/2007, -23/+131Don't worry guys, Kasparov will be ok. When our lord and savior, George W. Bush, looked into Putin's eyes he saw a man with a great soul. I'm sure Putin just wants to have a nice quiet chat with Kasparov. No waterboarding or polonium will be involved.
- planefinder, on 11/24/2007, -39/+68Checkmate for Kasparov, I guess.
- funkyjunk3, on 11/24/2007, -5/+100no, NOT checkmate. Kasparov is simply sacrificing position. He is trapped, yes. But his knights, pawns, bishops and rooks are out in the field working to for Ultimate Victory, a free and fair Russia.
- Flakor, on 11/25/2007, -5/+1A Free and Fair Russia wouldn't work I don't think...Politically it looks good but Economically it could have issues.
- stopbrorape, on 11/24/2007, -12/+1more like im gonna get my assed raped by putin over a chess board.
- MonkCanatella, on 11/24/2007, -3/+7ba dum ch
- funkyjunk3, on 11/24/2007, -5/+100no, NOT checkmate. Kasparov is simply sacrificing position. He is trapped, yes. But his knights, pawns, bishops and rooks are out in the field working to for Ultimate Victory, a free and fair Russia.
- mal1964, on 11/24/2007, -31/+5Check!
- phunlee, on 11/24/2007, -11/+295ha ha ha ha... yeah. a new dictatorship is forming, as scary as any in the past, and we should all make jokes! ha ha ha-ha.
- iancgi, on 11/24/2007, -5/+97Thank god an actual voice of reason. The "checkmate" comments are not ***** funny when it involves a dissident being detained by his govt for no other reason but exposing them.
- HollowMarkeD, on 11/24/2007, -4/+28You got to laugh else you cry
- cyb3rdemon, on 11/25/2007, -2/+4No other reason?
So, leading a group to violently break through police lines is not a reason?
He was free to protest, remember - until he started disturbing the peace by blocking public buildings.
- sodoh, on 11/24/2007, -4/+57New? Putin has been a dictator for ages. He controls the media there with an iron hand, so it is unlikely anything negative will get out.
- AROZ, on 11/24/2007, -1/+4Except on Digg.com, where the comments include stupid jokes beside the thoughtful ones, and people can't take back their thumbs up after they thought about how stupid the comments really are.
- shaherazad, on 11/24/2007, -2/+12This guy still has nukes, right?
- fugimugim, on 11/24/2007, -4/+9And always look on the bright side of life **insert whistles here**
- Xondar, on 11/24/2007, -2/+24New? You are aware that they only "dismantled" the USSR to end the Cold War and make friends with the West right? You are aware that the same people now rule Russia as when it was still the Soviet Union right?
- ISIfunded911, on 11/24/2007, -4/+7Exactly right! Most people are naive and did not understand that the Russian oligarchy got rid of socialism because if was not efficient, and chose capitalist fascism to make the new dictatorship more efficient economically, and to themselves become far richer without shame and politically-correct limits. In the process tens of millions of people died because the social security net became worthless. It was an economic genocide, and the capitalist media all over the World shut up, approving the capitalist turn, whatever the human cost. Capitalism is as deadly as socialism, but the capitalist powers that be do not want you to realize that.
And Putin reached power by creating his own 9/11, fabricating Tchetchen acts of terrorism from inside the KGB (now called FSB), frightening the Russians and getting elected easily.
There like here, the mass media totally manipulate the vast majority. - anaesthetica, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Not 100% correct. The Communist Party is out, the KGB is now running the show. Same structure, different institutional leadership.
- Flakor, on 11/25/2007, -2/+2Or was it because that the United States were shifting funds into Military use and USSR couldn't counter it due to their economy. Even then, Russia is far from being our friendly buddies, I mean Russia is planning to assist Iran should we attack it.
- ISIfunded911, on 11/24/2007, -4/+7Exactly right! Most people are naive and did not understand that the Russian oligarchy got rid of socialism because if was not efficient, and chose capitalist fascism to make the new dictatorship more efficient economically, and to themselves become far richer without shame and politically-correct limits. In the process tens of millions of people died because the social security net became worthless. It was an economic genocide, and the capitalist media all over the World shut up, approving the capitalist turn, whatever the human cost. Capitalism is as deadly as socialism, but the capitalist powers that be do not want you to realize that.
- terminal157, on 11/24/2007, -2/+38You can make jokes about something and still take it seriously. What is it that you propose we do? March on Moscow? Sit here with our heads in our hands, brooding? Cry? There's a lot to be depressed and worried about in this world, but I'm not going to stop laughing. Ever.
- ChromaVita, on 11/24/2007, -3/+5Truest comment I've read in a long time.
- VanBehlen, on 11/24/2007, -2/+3***** yeah, well said.
- atticus8, on 11/25/2007, -2/+3I haven't read something I've agreed with so hard in a long time.
- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1"What is it that you propose we do?" You could condemn the arrest of a world famous person for criticizing his country's government... You know, the same thing that most diggers do every day. Or if it really ticks you off, then you can write to your congressman or senator, and hope that they will pass a resolution condemning this.
- SouthsideIrish, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Exactly Xondar, and the KGB is now a corporation that is only concerned with seeing our economy go down, while their's goes up. The war won't be fought with nukes, from Russia, but with rubles and dollars.
- ufia, on 11/24/2007, -4/+2Digg is plagued with dishonest troofers who shamelessly bend the facts to fit their apocalyptic diatribes. You hippies know ***** about Russian politics, you apply your biased views to a completely different situation. I wish the OMONs would come clean this place to get us rid of Paulites spambots and illuminati Jones fanboys, Russian style with a jump kick to the head.
- SquigglyP, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Yeah, you're right. Sure makes you wish you could just... i dunno... totally control every aspect of everyone's lives so they would just always do what you wanted them to do, right? Man, that would be great.
- SquigglyP, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2wait, you're talking about Russia or the US here?
- BlazinEurasian, on 11/24/2007, -2/+2Communism 2.0?
- iancgi, on 11/24/2007, -5/+97Thank god an actual voice of reason. The "checkmate" comments are not ***** funny when it involves a dissident being detained by his govt for no other reason but exposing them.
- NathanHaleFTW, on 11/24/2007, -12/+6I hear Putin is a sore loser...
- blackjack75, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3He's a actually a sore winner since there is no chance in hell he would lose the upcoming elections.
- BuzzLightyear, on 11/24/2007, -19/+10Kasparov would have escaped, but he's just a pawn in all this and could only move one square at a time.
- Nevotraz, on 11/24/2007, -2/+206Incidentally, here's his interview on Bill Maher a few weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRvb9gO-XDA
- Mousse, on 11/24/2007, -1/+12I was watching this documentary yesterday and it explains perfectly the current sentiments among many Russians. It's quite scary, worth a look.
http://forums.mvgroup.org/torrents/BBC.Why.Democra ...
"Mikhail Morozov is a Russian patriot, good Christian and successful businessman. He owns Durakovo - the “Village of Fools” - 100 km southwest of Moscow. People come here from all over Russia to learn how to live and become 'true' Russians. When they join the Village of Fools, the new residents abandon all their former rights and agree to obey Mikhail Morozov’s strict rules.
“What we have here is a society that respects the vertical of power, this is what our country needs most of all, “ says Morozov quoting his idol President Putin. The whole spectrum of power - political, spiritual and administrative – is represented in the village and people gather for semi-private meetings with Morozov. They discuss the future of Russia, their ambitions and their goals.
For God, Tsar and the Fatherland shows what drives Russian patriotism today and why these citizens are against democracy."- fugimugim, on 11/24/2007, -9/+3Russia, the new Nazi Germany.
- krebcycle, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5More like Russia, the new Russia.
- fugimugim, on 11/24/2007, -9/+3Russia, the new Nazi Germany.
- aflaks, on 11/24/2007, -0/+8Wow, Kasporov is a genius.
" Do you ever get the feeling that they are playing chess while we are playing checkers," that really does seem to be the theme here..
- Mousse, on 11/24/2007, -1/+12I was watching this documentary yesterday and it explains perfectly the current sentiments among many Russians. It's quite scary, worth a look.
- SpykerSpeed, on 11/24/2007, -4/+136I hope he makes out alright... he was impressive on Bill Maher's program.
- Amadeus2490, on 11/24/2007, -7/+1I don't even want to know about this man making out; I just want him to get out of detainment.
/heh - HerrEisenheim, on 11/24/2007, -3/+0When you disappear in Russia, you don't ever reappear. In some other countries you stand a chance—but not Russia. By the time people know your gone, you're already dead.
- OralCavity, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Kasparov has the advantage of celebrity and that is one thing that may trump the system. As long as he is in the public spotlight, it would be difficult to kill him without revolt.
- Apoc04, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2ya he was impressive on mahers program, he made sense and in russia this is not allowed lol
- Amadeus2490, on 11/24/2007, -7/+1I don't even want to know about this man making out; I just want him to get out of detainment.
- sockpuppets, on 11/24/2007, -3/+48Great interview with Gary talking about Putin, Bush, etc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S2RT4sHfdY - ward42, on 11/24/2007, -1/+110I was wondering for a while, "Is Kasparov protected from Putin's thugs by his own celebrity?" I guess now we know the answer. I hope no one is shocked when he "goes missing" or "kills himself".
- terminal157, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2If either of those things were going to happen, they would've just happened one day without warning and without his being arrested. And people would still have strongly suspected the government was behind it. It would be idiocy for them to arrest him and then kill him while he's in their custody, there would be no doubt they were behind it and they'd have a riot from his followers (though it would probably be crushed without too much trouble).
- iLemon, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Don't underestimate the bold stupidity of Putin.
- jellygraph, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2what would our wimp politicians do about it, though? people would be outraged, but nothing would happen of it.
- krebcycle, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Our politicians would and should do exactly nothing about it. Russia is not part of the USA, we do not enforce their sovereignty or protect their citizens. That type of attitude is what causes wars. While obviously it's terrible that the dictator of Russia is throwing citizens in jail for political reasons, I think we have enough problems already that we can solve right here. Some very similar ones as well.
- jellygraph, on 11/25/2007, -1/+2whos talking about war? i think its terrible you assume everything leads to war and the only alternative is to cover your eyes. thats how atrocities happen
- krebcycle, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Our politicians would and should do exactly nothing about it. Russia is not part of the USA, we do not enforce their sovereignty or protect their citizens. That type of attitude is what causes wars. While obviously it's terrible that the dictator of Russia is throwing citizens in jail for political reasons, I think we have enough problems already that we can solve right here. Some very similar ones as well.
- naldwell, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1Shocked yes, surprised no.
- terminal157, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2If either of those things were going to happen, they would've just happened one day without warning and without his being arrested. And people would still have strongly suspected the government was behind it. It would be idiocy for them to arrest him and then kill him while he's in their custody, there would be no doubt they were behind it and they'd have a riot from his followers (though it would probably be crushed without too much trouble).
- MoClippa, on 11/24/2007, -3/+13oh crap, execute the bugger before he convinces those pesky Russians that they are self sufficient, that government doesn't need to be corrupt, and that they don't have some inert predilection towards autocratic rule due to the fact that they were bundled up as babies.
Oddly enough, that last comment about bundling them up as babies being responsible for their centuries of autocratic rule is an actual theory... can't remember who said it off the top of my head though. - keith22, on 11/24/2007, -1/+15I found Kasparov's interview on Webnation fascinating and I admire his nerve as a well known figure to speak out against a government regime clouded in questions. http://ambermac.typepad.com/ambermac/2007/07/garry ...
- sodoh, on 11/24/2007, -15/+23Am I the only one who read the story? He was arrested with others for protesting and breaking police lines when told to disperse by the police. While Putin is the meaner Russian version of Bush this isn't "being dragged from your bed" type detaining.
- beck001, on 11/24/2007, -4/+18I think you should look into what you are talking about, on the surface you are right. If you were to look deeper, you would see the controversy surrounding those "permits" to hold a rally, and the number of police they bring to any of the rallies that Kasparov organizes. You should watch that interview of him, also there was a good interview with him on NPR.
- sodoh, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5I've seen a few interviews of him. The guy is smart. I doubt very much he would put himself in that position unintentionally. It makes a great media piece after all in his favour.
One of the tactics in Chess is to let the opponent believe they took the piece rather then you giving it to them.- jellygraph, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1so if they find him dead in a gutter somewhere in a weeks time...?
- sodoh, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5I've seen a few interviews of him. The guy is smart. I doubt very much he would put himself in that position unintentionally. It makes a great media piece after all in his favour.
- ISIfunded911, on 11/24/2007, -6/+6Are you stupid, lazy or manipulative?
From the article: "They began to march to the election commission and were stopped by riot police.
The commission has barred Other Russia candidates from the 2 December election. "
Kasparov's political party cannot participate in that "election" because of that fascist "election" commission!
- beck001, on 11/24/2007, -4/+18I think you should look into what you are talking about, on the surface you are right. If you were to look deeper, you would see the controversy surrounding those "permits" to hold a rally, and the number of police they bring to any of the rallies that Kasparov organizes. You should watch that interview of him, also there was a good interview with him on NPR.
- elitexero, on 11/24/2007, -15/+2The government realized he was too smart for his own good.
Rook to king 4, checkmate.- PTCHFRKR, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3Enough of the chess jokes already, please.
- pennvneff, on 11/24/2007, -18/+4That Ex-KGB Commie Putin is going to kill Garry Kasparov. That ***** is smarter and 10 times more evil that our dumbass Georgie W. could ever be.
Trust me commies like that don't wait, they plot.- archiesteel, on 11/24/2007, -2/+30Please learn the difference between "communism" and "authoritarianism". There's nothing communist about Putin's action. On the contrary, he's made a few capitalists very, very rich. Then again, there was very little that was communist about the old Soviet Union, either. They were engaged in State Capitalism, which is a far cry from what Communism should be.
- pennvneff, on 11/24/2007, -27/+1***** off queer
- fugimugim, on 11/24/2007, -0/+6wow an intelligent retort sir, asshat
- blackjack75, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2While you're at it you could also learn the difference between queer and whatever is the insult you were trying to pronounce.
- Ebulating, on 11/24/2007, -2/+3Communism can never be widely implemented without extreme authoritarianism. It is only possible to implement it on a small scale, look up the hutterites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterites#Community_ ...
- pennvneff, on 11/24/2007, -27/+1***** off queer
- RavagesOfTime, on 11/24/2007, -1/+8I almost want to digg you up, just because I can't believe guys like you still exist.
- terrordome, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Russian Communists (Vanguard of Red Youth and others) are part of Kasparov's opposition coalition "The Other Russia".
As archiesteel said, Putin is no Communist.- sanman, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Thank goodness. Communism was just an ideology imposed on Russians by outsiders, under which to imprison the Russian people.
Stalin was a Georgian.- kingcam, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1What is the point of this comment? Why would anyone (with enough power to make it happen (ie. Capitalists)) wish to turn Russia into a communist state? Who cares that Stalin was a Georgian, Hitler was Austrian after all but we don't call national socialism an Austrian ideology do we? It is a complete non sequitor anyways, during the revolution Stalin wasn't the leader of the communist forces, nor was he for some time afterwards.
- sanman, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Thank goodness. Communism was just an ideology imposed on Russians by outsiders, under which to imprison the Russian people.
- archiesteel, on 11/24/2007, -2/+30Please learn the difference between "communism" and "authoritarianism". There's nothing communist about Putin's action. On the contrary, he's made a few capitalists very, very rich. Then again, there was very little that was communist about the old Soviet Union, either. They were engaged in State Capitalism, which is a far cry from what Communism should be.
- noahhoward, on 11/24/2007, -8/+6Is everyone ready for the next big war?
- MoClippa, on 11/24/2007, -1/+4No... thanks, I quite enjoy my mid-afternoon jazz and caramel macchiato, and can't imagine living off pot noodles for the next 25 years.
- ChromaVita, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Don't worry, you won't really notice, except for the jets flying over head every once in a while. Just like Fahrenheit 451.
- jellygraph, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1i'm not ready, but worry this is what those politicians are leading the world to
- spawnfree, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1seeing as i dont get a choice i will make the best of it.
Solar panels and tinned food FTW. - kingcam, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1There will be no war; American and Russian business are in a symbiotic relationship at the expense of the people or Russia, and they both know it.
- MoClippa, on 11/24/2007, -1/+4No... thanks, I quite enjoy my mid-afternoon jazz and caramel macchiato, and can't imagine living off pot noodles for the next 25 years.
- purpmint008, on 11/24/2007, -22/+5All of you fools are getting played by Kasparov...
You think he's the good guy etc.?
He's allied with the NEOCONS in our government and believes in the "peace through strength" *****.- archiesteel, on 11/24/2007, -5/+6I think you mean Putin (at least as far as "peace through strenght" is concerned - re Chechnya).
- cyb3rdemon, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_ ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostag ... - cyb3rdemon, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2I meant:
http://tinyurl.com/2jtjct
http://tinyurl.com/2qp9v8
http://tinyurl.com/3d779u
http://tinyurl.com/2jtjct
(digg keeps cutting urls)
- cyb3rdemon, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_ ...
- Scynet, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Honestly speaking, all of the world leaders have vision and dreams, and all of them seem to believe in "end justifies the means" ideology. Imagine Bush or Putin actually being good guys who just want a united mankind, but to do that they have to conquer the world first.
I don't believe it's possible to end all wars for as long as world is divided into countries. Someone has to rule. Even if you create unions, all that happens is that power is concentrated more. It's all about who leads, and who follow. Would you follow the lead of a united Earth led by Bush? How about Putin? China's government? If we don't, and they don't either, there will be wars. - pitlord, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2Right, like you said, he's one of the good guys.
Or were you trying to imply that liberals are the good guys?
ROFLMAO!
- archiesteel, on 11/24/2007, -5/+6I think you mean Putin (at least as far as "peace through strenght" is concerned - re Chechnya).
- uzusan, on 11/24/2007, -3/+41didnt kasparov warn on the colbert report that this would happen?
- cambob76, on 11/24/2007, -17/+3That's just a comedy show.
- tehbored, on 11/24/2007, -0/+17I think on other shows too. Wasn't there a clip on digg of him predicting this on Bill Maher's show?
- aflaks, on 11/24/2007, -0/+4he's a smart guy, he knew this was coming all along. He's smart though and by saying it on national tv to millions of audiences, when the move does come it is not a shock but mere validation of the severity of the totalitarian government, and it gives the edge to him instead of the government.
- DarkReign16, on 11/24/2007, -10/+12*****
- daedlus, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1I second that. *****.
- x083, on 11/24/2007, -16/+3i believe kasparov is pro-west which means he likes bush or something and our kind of democracy. Rigged elections (2000, 2004) corporate take over of all forms of government (ie: federal reserve (private bank) controlling US Currency creation.) Putin has spoken out against the new world order. I'm sure kasparov is getting paid with foreign funds to stir up a bunch of dissent within russia.
- archiesteel, on 11/24/2007, -2/+3Lesser of two evils, mate.
- blackjack75, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5Somehow I don't feel Bush is pro west. He's rather been ruining it for us lately.
- jellygraph, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3with a president like putin, even bush looks like a saint
- shcforward, on 11/24/2007, -6/+50The level of government corruption in Russia is arms and legs above what we can dream of in America (and Kasparov has said so himself on American TV).
Say what you will about Bush, but Kerry never got thrown in jail.- pkonink, on 11/24/2007, -10/+3Don't taze me, bro!
- veloscaper, on 11/24/2007, -4/+5You think Kerry was really an opposition leader against the Bush regime? Funny, I thought he was just part of the con. Remember Kerry sat on $50 million while he narrowly lost Ohio and then after the election didn't do anything for a recount.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/1 ...- endlessoul, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Oh, come now. Your tinfoil hat may be a little too tight.
You mean to tell me that Kerry purposely lost to bush? I'd do some research at your link, but it doesn't work.
I hate the current government as much as you do, but this is a stretch.
- endlessoul, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Oh, come now. Your tinfoil hat may be a little too tight.
- soomprimal, on 11/25/2007, -2/+3That's true because Kerry isn't an opposition leader. You're making a false comparison. However, David Cobb and Michael Badnarick were both arrested when they tried to join a presidential debate. Kerry didn't concern himself with possible voter fraud in Ohio either, I guess he really didn't care, but Cobb and Badnarick, who really didn't have a chance of catching either Bush or Kerry challenged the count and filed lawsuits to expose possible criminal acts against our democratic institutions. THESE are opposition leaders.
- ZeRux, on 11/24/2007, -21/+3While Kasparov is normally very intelligent and well-spoken person, he should know when to keep his mouth shut. Putin isn't the one to be messed with.
- blackjack75, on 11/24/2007, -1/+13"Smart people keep their mouth shut" - Vladimir Putin
- fugimugim, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2No the whole point of dissent is not to shut up, and Kasparov knows that, and he probably knows the dangers he faces also. you have to 'mess' with bastards like Putin it is the only way to get change, even if you pay the ultimate price yourself.
- Homerr, on 11/24/2007, -1/+8NPR interview a month ago: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story ...
- aak4, on 11/24/2007, -11/+8Just for the record, Kasparov is Armenian. His name was originally Kasparian, but under Communism, his family russified his name to Kasparov.
- TerrorByteX, on 11/24/2007, -4/+13And did you know that "cake is often frosted with buttercream or marzipan, and finished with piped borders and crystallized fruit?"
- ChromaVita, on 11/24/2007, -2/+7An ostriches eye is larger than it's brain.
- omgwthlol, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3A squirrel's brain is about the size of a walnut.
- omgwthlol, on 11/24/2007, -0/+6A rat can fall from a five story building without injury.
- ChromaVita, on 11/24/2007, -2/+7An ostriches eye is larger than it's brain.
- TerrorByteX, on 11/24/2007, -4/+13And did you know that "cake is often frosted with buttercream or marzipan, and finished with piped borders and crystallized fruit?"
- nihility, on 11/24/2007, -5/+49I say chess match between Kasparov and Putin for control of the WORLD.
- ivandir, on 11/24/2007, -2/+10That would be the equivalent of USA vs Sealand.
- Pebblebreeze, on 11/24/2007, -6/+3Comrad Putin is afraid of chess master's mind control abilities.
- Qtip42, on 11/24/2007, -4/+24Now this is news that needs to be heard.
- cyb3rdemon, on 11/24/2007, -15/+6Didn't you read what he did? He led a group to violently break through police lines, thus leading him to get arrested. Nothing authoritarian about that. He was free to protest, as long as his group does not enter specific areas (large roads, public buildings) where it will disturb people. The police lines were there for a purpose. Stop being so paranoid.
- fugimugim, on 11/24/2007, -5/+4the point of a protest is to disturb people and draw attention to what ever it is your protesting against
- redmonkey, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2What about Russia constitution? Government is not follow low when ban manifestation. Putin's holui and bidlo 'Nashi' had manifestation on the same day in Moscow without problem
- tehbored, on 11/24/2007, -1/+9Is anybody actually surprised? Putin has been arresting his opposition for a while now and Kasparov said himself that he knew this was coming on tv.
- aak4, on 12/08/2007, -0/+1Now that it's Kasparov getting arrested, the international media is starting to pay better attention.
- Trollmaster, on 11/24/2007, -11/+1checkmate!
- rmeddy, on 11/24/2007, -2/+7He predicted this . he is showing the Russia's true colours.
- DeFex, on 11/24/2007, -2/+7that voldemort putin is a nasty piece of work
- AsylumAleikum, on 11/24/2007, -2/+9The Evil Empire is back!
- OBKenobi, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1There's more than one evil empire.
- flair1, on 11/24/2007, -6/+5The EU better be nice to the USA to help them defend themselves again since the Evil Empire is back on the move.
- redmonkey, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3EU is done. There dependency on Russian gas is to deep. EU is afraid to tell anything to Putin.
- Lindane, on 11/24/2007, -8/+3Russia is filled with CIA and Mossad trying to ***** it over worse than it already is. For them not to be a bit heavy handed would virtually be an invitation for the West to ream Russia in the ass. The so-called "democracy" that people are clamoring for in Russia is a "democracy" filled with Washington/New York sponsored kleptocratic lackeys.
- Frostman3D, on 11/24/2007, -5/+24Kasparov is a good guy. Putin in a piece of *****, he's willing to do anything to keep power.
- donkz, on 11/25/2007, -3/+2why do u even bother to comment? what do you know?
- Frostman3D, on 11/25/2007, -1/+2I know a good bit about this, because I've been watching what Putin is doing rather closely. Why do you bother to comment? My comment has 12 diggs, yours has -1. I think you just need to STFU and move on with your life.
- daedlus, on 11/25/2007, -0/+0At very least he knows how to spell. At very most he is right. And he is.
- temaonline, on 11/25/2007, -1/+1Kasparov is a big adventurer as Berezovsky and more of theirs mafia. I now this, i live in Russia, i compare international and russian press.
ps. It`s a flag of Kasparov`s action - http://img.lenta.ru/photo/2007/11/24/marsh/10.jpg ... It`s a piece of *****...
- donkz, on 11/25/2007, -3/+2why do u even bother to comment? what do you know?
- sdigroup, on 11/24/2007, -1/+13the KGB is still around, do not kid yourself people, the iron curtain may have rust on it but its still hanging in Russia.
- redmonkey, on 11/24/2007, -1/+13/4 Russian government is former KGB agents
- daedlus, on 11/25/2007, -1/+1Sure, it's still around. They just renamed it to FSB and moved on, the rest of the world was none the wiser. A little like Myanmar formerly Burma.
- FixToTheMax, on 11/24/2007, -2/+13Unauthorized protest? In Russia? Wonder what it takes for a protest to get authorized there...
- ChromaVita, on 11/24/2007, -0/+6In Soviet Russia, protest authorize you!
Remember when those were funny? - GuacamoleSan, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2You have to a) suck Putin's *****, or b) have a significant amount of power
- daedlus, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2You have to either have it be a protest against the "western pigs", be part of Nashi, or have it 50% happy, just like the news. I made that last one up.
- ChromaVita, on 11/24/2007, -0/+6In Soviet Russia, protest authorize you!
- supercyc, on 11/24/2007, -3/+6I did read the article. Kasparov was arrested on grounds of "organising an unauthorised protest." Sounds pretty Orwellian to me...
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -2/+2Unathorized protesters get arrested not only in Russia, it's pretty much the same everywhere:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w9HrDJEN58
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5300560.stm
http://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/11/20/news/ ...
etc..
Just type in Google "protesters arrested" and see results...- wpi97, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1I don't have the time to check all of these links, but I decided to investigate the event in the first one a little deeper. In that incident 14 people were arrested for protesting near Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas in November, 2005. The official reason for the arrest was violation of the county's ordinance, which is IMHO unconstitutional, prohibiting camping and parking in that area. I tried to find out what happened next, and I found this: http://momfromhlwdflorida.blogspot.com/2006/04/cam ... . It appears that these people were quickly released, and were not charged with anything. It appears that the authorities realize that these arrests are clear violations of the first amendment (freedom of speech), and that they will never hold up in court. Nobody says that the US government is perfect, or that it likes the opposition protesting in front of the president's dacha. But it is held in check by an independent judiciary. See the difference?
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -2/+2Unathorized protesters get arrested not only in Russia, it's pretty much the same everywhere:
- maeon3, on 11/24/2007, -1/+6What is an "unauthorized protest?" The more I think about it the more my head hurts.
- Klepto21, on 11/24/2007, -2/+3un - not
authorized - approved by some authority
pro - good/positive
test - instrument for measuring competence. - DestroyFascism, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2What is an "unauthorized protest you ask? An Authorized protest is one that makes the government look good.....otherwise, piss off! you are not protesting...
- preved, on 11/25/2007, -2/+2When a few hundred lunatics violate my rights of free pass by blocking certain streets, creating disorder and screaming, I'd prefer them to exercise their right of free speech somewhere else. That's why any mass meetings in the center of any city have to be authorized, so municipal can prepare for that (have enough police around, medical support, block the streets from car traffic, etc).
- Klepto21, on 11/24/2007, -2/+3un - not
- MrESaulved, on 11/24/2007, -2/+16Do not worry Chess lovers, GM Kasparov saw this variation 12 ply ago. This is the complicated middle-game where tactics rule and Gary is a formidable tactician.
- GuacamoleSan, on 11/24/2007, -0/+5I agree. Do not fear, Kasparov is a master tactician and he has forseen this miles ahead.
- caketank, on 11/24/2007, -0/+5Yeah, that's cute and all, but Putin pretty much does whatever the hell he wants. They're not exactly on even footing.
- MrESaulved, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1Not only that, I'm not exactly sure that Gary is on the "right" i.e. common-man side of the issue. What's best for the brave and resilient Russian people?
- JackandCoke, on 11/25/2007, -0/+6Yeah, Putin's queen makes Ls, and his rooks can go diagonal.
- naldwell, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2Actually, Putin's hand just plucks opposing pieces from the table and hides them behind his back.
- cubeeggs, on 11/25/2007, -0/+3There are no rules in Russian politics.
--Garry Kasparov- daedlus, on 11/25/2007, -1/+0So I guess that makes it easier for Mr. Kasparov to win. :)
- EBoombastic, on 11/24/2007, -2/+45If the Russians elect Kasparov we should elect Deep Blue.
- Narwaffle, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5"Bishop to knight 4"
"Not all missions can be solved with chess, Deep Blue. Someday you'll understand that."
// Futurama
- Narwaffle, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5"Bishop to knight 4"
- patch6, on 11/24/2007, -3/+4*****.
- cidbahamut, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1I second that.
- gerbil20, on 11/24/2007, -7/+9*****! Welcome to Stalinism 2.0
- DarkDragon, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Putn, Lnin, Staln, etc...
Communism BETA - temaonline, on 11/25/2007, -0/+0Are you crazy guys! Lenin and Stalin kills about 40 millions of people. Read a history books(not yellow press).
- DarkDragon, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Putn, Lnin, Staln, etc...
- joe90210, on 11/24/2007, -10/+3you mean Kasparov the neocon? the one who mingles with the likes of rumsfeld and wolfowitz?
- cjhandley, on 11/24/2007, -5/+4Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson > Ron Paul > Moderate Republicans/Democrats > Neocons/Socialists > Fascists/Corporatists
- pitlord, on 11/25/2007, -2/+3Yes, that's the one. I suppose you prefer people like Putin, Chavez and Bin Laden.
If so, why not go live in their perfect world? We'll be fine without you.
^^
- GuacamoleSan, on 11/24/2007, -1/+11Ever since i saw that video of Kasparov on Mahar's late night i knew he'd be problems for Putin
- omgwthlol, on 11/24/2007, -3/+1yes putin is a bad bad ugly stupid brainless man, Kasparov strong large smart clever god
- acidbass, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1"Want to play a game?"
- umilmi81, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1This will end well
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