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- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38Like comrade stalin says, it's the person that count the votes that matters...not the voters.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23The actual quote: "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
Stalin was proven correct during the past two elections. - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16How you guys are digging the parent comment down, and the lame overplayed soviet russia joke up is beyond me.
- crstop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11OK the City of Atlanta has one DMV, but there are 7 others within 20 miles. However, 20-35 is steep for an ID.
From #1
Fully 17.3 percent of African American voters, and one-third of black voters over age 65, wouldn't be able to cast a ballot under the law.
Where are similar stats for other minorities or whites. I always hate when only part of the story is published. - gossipninja, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I am a conservative centrist, in political tests i am pretty middle of the road. I am not a republican, I do take issue with much of what they do but the left just seems to whine so much I would often rather not vote, then vote for them. Like the "poll tax". You need a state ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol, to operate a motor vehicle, hell even to get a blockbuster card, and all of these things are less important then the right to vote. I understand that it costs 20 bucks (at least where I am) and it does suck going to the DMV, but they will come to you, and give you the damn ID. State issued ID should be required at every ballot box.
"Supporters claimed this was necessary to keep people from casting votes in someone else's name, even though Georgia secretary of state Cathy Cox noted that her office had no evidence of this happening."
As far as the comment that that have had no problems with voter fraud, no one has ever walked into my house and stolen something, but I still lock the door. Why wait to solve a problem, honestly people, we are the tech crowd, don't we bitch when there is a massive security hole somewhere, even if it hasn't been exploited? - swankboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10And yet no mention of Wisconsin or more specifically Milwaukee - votes for cigarettes in 2000, Marquette students being interviewed by the local news laughing and smiling about admitting that "everyone" votes as many times as they can on campus, GOP tire slashing by a prominent politician's son and associates, Donovan Riley apparently voting twice in the same presidential election in Illinois and Wisconsin where he had residences in both, voter record changing for Sullivan in Wauwatosa most recently... Or is this a biased list?
- Anth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10That seems pretty ***** of Georgia. Half of the population has no valid photo ID. How the ***** do they get on a plane? How do they card for alcohol/cigs? I'm not really for a national ID program, but everyone should have a photo ID from their state!
- LacY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why is likeaglove being dugg down? The article was purposefully painting the Atlana thing in a bad light. Yes, they want to require photo IDs, but after the uproar about the poll tax, they made the IDs free. After people whined about the elderly not being able to get to the DMV, they set up "mobile DMVs" that would come to your house and GIVE you an ID. With these measures in place, I see nothing wrong with it.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I grew up in Solon, Ohio which is in Cuyahoga County, Ohio and I drove back up to vote in 2004. I mailed a letter to columbus 8 months before hand to be registered to vote. When I got there I was able to cast my ballot and I thought my vote had been counted. A week later I got some letter from the state thanking me for registering to vote and attached was another letter stating my votes weren't counted in the November elections because my form wasn't in on time.
I was only 19 at the time and it was a sour first voting experience. - eyecantremember, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Yeah, except:
"What's wrong with the new ID laws? This: in the 2004 election, 300,000 voters were turned away from the polls for "wrong" ID. For example, in the "Little Texas" counties in New Mexico, if your voter registration included a middle initial but your driver's license had none, you were kicked out of the polling station. Funny, but they only seemed to ask Hispanic voters. We should see the number of voters rejected for ID to quintuple by 2008 based on the new "voting reform" laws recently passed in several states."
http://myvoices.blogs.com/blog/2006/06/greg_palast_abr.html - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9And in Mexico.
- JoeAverage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is just a biased artile on a liberal political opinion site slamming the republican party. This article is biased *****.
- ucytheynv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7crstop
thanks for the facts.
mother jones would have no story if they actually reported all the facts.
anybody who has lived in Atlanta knows that the actual city is very small. small enough that one DMV is probably not a problem. The Atlanta metro area is whats large. but it is composed of lots of cities. So the 20 miles info is a very important stat. - LacY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, if you think about it--the Photo ID law ends up providing citizens with a free gov't issued photo ID. So it's really a boon to them. As you said, these people can't fly, drink, etc without an ID, and now they'll have a free one.
- rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why is it that the areas with the most problems are areas where the Democrats are in control? Is it deliberate or just another attempt to bitch and moan over their own incompetence and mismanagement?
- returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13RTFA.
"Two-thirds of the state's counties don't even have a DMV office; Atlanta, the state's largest city, has just one, where waits at the ID counters often run to several hours. In late June, the secretary of state issued a report finding that more than half a million active-status, registered voters in Georgia don't have valid photo IDs." - spisska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ jer2eydevil88
"I grew up in Solon, Ohio which is in Cuyahoga County, Ohio and I drove back up to vote in 2004. I mailed a letter to columbus 8 months before hand to be registered to vote. When I got there I was able to cast my ballot and I thought my vote had been counted. A week later I got some letter from the state thanking me for registering to vote and attached was another letter stating my votes weren't counted in the November elections because my form wasn't in on time."
I call shenanigans.
First off, why were you writing to Columbus when you were registering in Cuyahoga County? Registrations are a matter for the county clerk, not the secretary of state.
Second, if you were able to 'cast a [regular] ballot' there's no way your ballot would not have been counted -- we have a secret ballot and nobody would be able to identify yours among all the others at your polling place.
If you cast a provisional ballot it may or may not have been counted, but you would not have informed of that without contacting the jurisdiction in which you voted.
Ohio is not without its problems -- I was abroad in 2002 and never received my absentee ballot from Cuyahoga County despite have submitted all the paperwork through the US embassy in plenty of time.
But your story makes no sense. - LacY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Vote in New Hampshire--you can actually register at the polls (which seems a little sketch to me...) After moving, I showed up with a *magazine* with my address on it, and my Georgia driver's license, and registered and voted.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"In 2005, Georgia state legislators passed a bill requiring voters to present either a driver's license or a state-issued photo ID that costs between $20 and $35 and is available only from Department of Motor Vehicles offices."
I live in Atlanta. This is a flat out lie. "and the law -- along with another version that offers free voter IDs -- remains in limbo as appeals continue". They've always been free. How does requiring an I'D. card, which you can obtain free, which just shows that you're a citizen of the U.S., become a bad thing? When liberals can twist it to sound bad. That's how. - likeaglove, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11What a crappy article. They didn't mention that Georgia sent mobile DMV cars around the state to help anyone who couldn't get to the DMV and they gave lots and lots and lots of notice so people would know about it. They also didn't mention that the state dropped the charge for a government-issued ID (thus there was NO poll tax). They also didn't mention that the 1/2 million figure of people without ID's was determined to be incorrect. If Georgia had a problem with anything, though, it was in its attempt to try to implement it so quickly. They were systematically addressing each of the concerns, but it would still take some time to work out.
And allowing people to vote without having some type of government-issued photo ID? How stupid is that? People who think that's unreasonable are probably just looking for a way to cheat (or who have something to hide). You have to show ID to vote. You have show ID to buy alcohol. I don't think it's out of line to require ID for folks to vote.
Of course, Mother Jones is a leftist commie publication, so I shouldn't have expected a whole lot of honesty from them, anyway.
(in case you can't tell, this was a hot-button issue here in Georgia) - floorman56, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Humm nothing about 500 dead Indian's voting in South Dakota. Absentee's of course, and all dems
- jpwhitmore, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14How is requiring a photo ID a poll tax? Seems to me they are just trying to cut back on voter fraud.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So the articles jist seems to be asking for id to ensure that the voter is a citizen is a bad idea?
huuuhhh??? - Oracle95, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2These aren't obstacles to voting. They're obstacles to FRAUD. When only 20% of the people vote and 40% of those people are voting twice, you have a big problem, no matter which party you're associated with.
- likeaglove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I understand your point, but how will you feel when the vote of a dead person effectively cancels out your vote? It happens. Chicago and Daly were notorious for that. Or when someone votes twice because they don't check ID's at the polling stations?
Having government-issued photo ID isn't an unreasonable hurdle. That should be a bare minimum. And if folks are too stupid or irresponsible to get a valid photo ID, they shouldn't be determining our leaders, anyway. Voting is a privilege, but it also carries some responsibility with it. Too many people died for that privilege for us to cheapen it by failing to firm up the process. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Suddenly I'm very grateful for the city-funded advertisements in my area that beg everyone to register and vote..
- swankboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5That's because a majority of blacks in Wisconsin live in Milwaukee. Many black men live in the inner city. Many use public transport, don't have a high school diploma (thanks awesome Milwaukee public school system), and like to stay out of the system for a myriad of reasons. Many though will still have a state issued ID - you need one to get government handouts and go to the local temp agency occasionally to pretend to look for work. Still 1/4 sounds obnoxiously low and I call ***** on that statistic in the first place. This is clearly a biased article so who knows what's accurate in it.
- barryq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I don't see what is wrong with making people have a valid ID.
Wisconsin- fewer than a quarter of 18-to-24-year-old black men in that state have valid driver's licenses. Don't understand that. - ucytheynv, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Typical article from Mother Jones.
makes it hard to respect their reporting. mainly recycled leftists rhetoric.
i guess people in GA are too stupid to go to a DMV. How many of those without ID's are even likely voters. Probably not many. The assumption that certain groups are automatically Dem voters is another example if insinuation.
#3 and #11 are completely bogus. the person in charge of Franklin County is a black Democrat. He determined where they would be placed, and said they just underestimated the turnout. Get that! Him and the mostly Dem commission underestimated the number of voters. they were NEVER denied anything by the state. when will these lies about the election in Ohio stop? oh i get it, when Dems admit they can actually loose an election.
and exactly how does making those who go door to door register with the county, cause voter suppression? and exactly how does mailing in the forms personally suppress votes?? its just scattered irrational comments thrown together to insinuate that something bad must be going on. They even admit that the Sec of Sate changed his mind about the paper weight. (Which was what the law stated, so he was following the law.)
Why would Blackwell now seek to suppress black voters when he expected to get a large number of black votes?
like gossipingninja said:this whining is silly. - gameboyhippo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yeah, the article was mostly "ZOMG, this county voted conservative, there must have been something wrong with the voting machine. After all, every body votes like me!" And "ZOMG, all blacks and minorities vote liberal!" and finally "ZOMG! PONIES!!!"
- opps12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ucythenv
if 8 months prior to an election means it wasn't turned in on time, then something is very wrong - Duffy40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So you say want a revolution...
except everyone screaming for one can't seem to find a Job, Get an Education, Figure out how to vote etc...
We should be worried?
Naah
But we are waiting
Poverty in America is about being inept, I know, I grew up poor, I saw what caused it and determined that neither I nor my children would be poor. I am not poor, My son will graduate NMSU in a year, and my youngest kids will get an education. That is my Job as a Parent, not the government, not the village, not yours.
And like the Guy from India said, I wanna go to a country where the poor have color TV and a weight problem.
which really should make you think about the definition of poor. - riverside71, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't vote where you won't get a paper trail..
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5
Looks more left-wing propoganda on Digg...many that goes great with my coffee every morning. - LacY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I lived right outside the metro area, and had at least 3 DMVs I could go to if I needed. I might have had to wait a long time, but it was because of the slow workers, not the overabundance of people in line.
- ucytheynv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4powercow.
it isn't hard to get on in GA.
The city has grown very fast, so it snot unreasonable to think they have 1 DMV. although i am not sure that is accurate. I personally NEVER met a person in Atlanta that didn't have ID. I worked in an environment where i would find out if people had ID often.
This is bogus racial stereotyping, hiding behind some "concern for our democracy"
let me explain something to you about GA. many people there don't get GA plated because of the ad valerum tax. Its cheaper to keep their ID from the place they lived before moving to Atlanta. (considering most of the states population is in the Atlanta area, that's where the issue is most important.) I lived there for almost 3 years, never once held a GA drivers license, i kept my Ohio License because it was so easy and cheap. (i could renew by mail, annually)
but dont let facts get in the way of an ignorant partisan rant. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Propaganda from the out of power left-wing? How exactly does that proganda make?
- Oracle95, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How were you able to vote if you weren't registered? Something's not right with this story.
- moonshn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4how is it Georgia's fault that many of our citizens are too damn lazy to go down the DMV to get a damn ID? If these people were hard-working, productive members of society they would probably have one
- Oracle95, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, it's a pretty misleading article. Facts don't add up. It reads more like hype so one side or another can dispute an election. A few years back in New Jersey, two candidates contested an election in one of the beach towns (virtual ghost towns in the winter). One candidate had nearly 50% of his party's registered voters who voted (can't say that they voted for him) were dead. His opponent's party had nearly 60%. South Texas routinely has seniors voting in Chicago and the Valley at the same time.
Many of these measures are to cut down on this type of fraud. - mtvkilledusall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I've spent all of my life in #2 or #6, man that sucks.
- Duffy40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, your wrong nealy every local ones occurred in democrat controlled areas on the local level. Just like Florida, how in the hell did problems in local communities run by Democrats? And why isn't Mother Jones covering the cases of absentee ballots cast by Military Overseas that get thrown out in Democrat controlled jurisdictions.
- JustinCase18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The poor in this country need to GROW up. Pure and simple, in no other country in the world, except maybe Canada, do the poor live so well. You've got people living on social security disability in their 20's due to brain damage from taking drugs in high school. Multiple generation families living off of welfare.
And don't get me started on the many on the benefits we give ILLEGALS. 20 million estimated illegals in this country can't be wrong. The United States takes care of its poor. The poor needs to start taking care of itself. - Nonleg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Kuzotz
So what? It happened to us (whitey, the man keepin you down) at Louisiana Tech (and at Grambling which I also attended), Stephen F Austin, kids at Southeastern Louisiana, Auburn, North Texas, and others.
On the other hand, when the campus/town are a bit too big to control, they townies exert their power over the students through misdirection, scheduling votes on alcohol sales over spring break when everyone is gone, instead of discouraging registration. Come out of your little box and see the world. Did all of these political mavens of which you claim were disenfranchised somehow bother to vote in their actual home districts? - Oracle95, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've lived in two states and you have your voter registration card and after 9-11, there are so many places you need a photo ID. They won't even give you a checking account or cash your paycheck without one. So even if you don't have a driver's license, you still need some form of government issued photo ID.
Are you telling me that ALL these people don't cash ANY checks (paycheck, welfare check, any type of check?)
The only people that I know like that are paid cash, under the table, in other words, they are cheating on their income taxes. Sorry, those people really shouldn't be able to vote anyway.
You gotta pay to play. - Oracle95, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let's see, your voter registration card comes from the same paperwork as your driver's license, so...if one of them is incorrect, the odds are that one of them is a fake. Why would anyone want a fake voter registration card or driver's license?
But I guess those border states wouldn't want illegal aliens voting, would they? Considering the numbers crossing the border, that isn't a racist problem, it's a PROBLEM. - medieval, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The dumbest part of the Georgia ID requirement is that NON-photo forms of identification that were previously acceptable for the purposes of voting are now the same forms of identification that can be used to obtain of these $20-$35 (or "theoretically" free, if you can afford to go the DMV and wait 4 hours for an ID on a weekday) ID cards. So, what's the point of the requirement?
- JustinCase18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Of course you shouldn't be surprised. Mother Jones is a Democrat online rag. They'd never report anything bad against the Democrats and they'll make ***** up about the Republicans.
- Duffy40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So go and file a civil rights suit, just come with evidence, the one thing the left is always short on.
- JustinCase18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No, it probably just means you're in a "Red" state, nothing else. This is Mother Jones.
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