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- inactive, on 07/06/2008, -11/+86Vote Libertarian. Send a message to the 2 party system that business as usual is not good enough. The "change" we need is a new party. Say no to trampling on the Constitution. Kick the traitors out of power.
- TheEngineer2008, on 07/06/2008, -9/+75I think Bob Barr did a great job of explaining libertarianism in a way that Main Street America can understand and support. We usually get ZERO MSM coverage during elections, so it's gratifying to finally have our point of view represented in that arena.
- inactive, on 07/06/2008, -9/+57This man may break the two party dictatorship. Even if you disagree with many points, vote for Barr to loosen the grip of the power elites on the American political system.
Go Bob Go! - inactive, on 07/06/2008, -3/+48Although winning the Presidency might be a long shot, there is more at stake with this election. Ballot access, MSM coverage of the Libertarians, and of course access to debates. Getting access to debates leads to votes. Look at Ross Perot's run if you are too young to know//remember.
- metapop, on 07/06/2008, -16/+60I have a very special place in my basement of torture for George Stephanopolous. I swear, if he would have interrupted Bob Barr with a "that's not going to happen" like he did Ron Paul, he would not have enjoyed the consequences.
p.s. Bob Barr was one of people spearheading the impeachment of Bill Clinton, Georgie's former boss... - tajitj, on 07/06/2008, -5/+37 We need to send a message. The two parties are tying to become one. That way they always have power. Coming up with stupid wedge issues every election cycle but having no real solutions to our coming problems.
Bob Barrs campaign website.
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/home/skip/?s=0618 - rapcrap187, on 07/06/2008, -5/+37Holy crap they slammed Bob so bad in just the first 15 seconds of his freakin introduction. I cant wait to see how bad this whole interview goes.
Why can't news journalists do what their supposed to. Ask questions wait for answers ask more questions, Pleeeease don't enlighten us with your opinion Mr/Mrs Reporters, if we really cared what you think, you would be the one running for president. But your not so shut up - kemp34, on 07/06/2008, -6/+35Interesting to see the rabid, drunk monkey/pit bull, statist bury brigade show up and attack Bob Barr.
If you want our country to stay on the exact same course it has been on (i.e. larger federal government), go ahead and listen to guys like Onetimer, Hortnon, Vault, Reed and Herkimer. They love the leviathan and will be very happy to attack any and all who question it in any way. - poprocksandsoda, on 07/07/2008, -3/+28Stephanopoulos has zero cred ... hopefully Barr can get a wider audience on a reputable show.
- WhitfieldGeorge, on 07/06/2008, -6/+30I am so glad that we have a candidate for President who upholds the Constitution. I will be voting for Bob Barr, so peace, prosperity and liberty can be restored to America. See: www.bobbarr2008.com
- brad3378, on 07/06/2008, -1/+22Honest question -
Do you spend the same amount of effort burying Obama stories? - GiveM3aBJ, on 07/07/2008, -1/+21down with the 2 party system. we want candidate who will actually CHANGE something. (for the better)
- brad3378, on 07/06/2008, -10/+30Hortnon:
Always predictable. - muckemuck, on 07/06/2008, -1/+20... even if it is for just a few minutes on a Sunday morning... Barr got a tiny sliver of MSM attention on one day while Obama and McCain get MSM attention on an hourly basis. The media is deciding our elections for us.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -2/+20I wasn't making an argument in support of Libertarianism, I was asking questions, hence the ?. But feel free, to dance around the questions, trolling is much easier.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -3/+21onetimer, take your first paragraph and instead of Libertarians, replace it with Liberals and then with Conservatives. See how that works? So again, why the trolling?
- ExOrienteLux, on 07/07/2008, -1/+19I agree, am amazed at why there's such a hatred of Libertarianism. It doesn't make any sense. Do they just want to be taken care of?
- inactive, on 07/06/2008, -3/+21What do you have against Libertarians? non-government intervention in social matters? free market economy? less laws, more freedom? What exactly do you think makes a Libertarian an idiot?
- vault, on 07/06/2008, -8/+26"I have a very special place in my mom's basement for George Stephanopolous."
fixed that for ya. - bjstiktrix, on 07/07/2008, -6/+24DIGG DIGG DIGG! This is very important. Ron Paul supporters and fans of Liberty need to do the best that they can to throw their weight behind Barr.
- brad3378, on 07/06/2008, -5/+22Herkimer56 - enough with the personal attacks. Don't take the Jerry Springer approach - Debate the policies.
- kemp34, on 07/06/2008, -2/+19You sound real smart and wise.
- eastwood24, on 07/07/2008, -2/+18I usually vote for the lesser of two evils. But this round i may vote for Barr. I hope the economy improves in the USA over the next four years, but i truly believe it will likely not on a global scale, and it won't really matter if mcCain or Obama gets elected, b/c they can't fix it, they can only help mediate its consequences, but will likely get blamed for it though and be a one term presidency. I don't understand why libertarians gets flak like they do. To devolve power would empower a market place of ideas. A political system where each view is evaluated by merit and market, not by ability to manipulate a hierarchical system.
- kemp34, on 07/06/2008, -6/+21You guys have had a great propensity to attack nearly anything that advocates reducing the size and scope of the united states' federal government to its Constitutionally limited form. I have seen you exhibit this behavior for months on end. I have not seen you once, to my knowledge, advocate cutting back on federal government size and scope. Am I supposed to believe that you are somehow against the federal leviathan? Additionally, to argue that the federal government is not a leviathan at this point is pretty fool-hearty. There is a leviathan and you attack any who oppose it. Tell me how I am falsely indicating that you are for the leviathan.
- inactive, on 07/06/2008, -2/+17So someone that has learned from their mistakes is a bad candidate? I'd rather vote for someone that has learned something out of being in Washington before rather than another rank and file Democrat/Republican.
- kemp34, on 07/07/2008, -4/+18So, to determine whether you are on who advocates large federal government, what are your positions on the following:
1. Federally mandated participation in the retirement scheme known as social security.
2. The federal government "war on drugs".
3. The potential creation of a taxpayer funded national health care.
4. Fighting a potentially endless "war on terror" including "pre-emptively" attacking foreign nation states.
5. Strictly abiding by the U.S. Constitution.
6. The scope and ability of federal income taxation, where do you see a "righteous" level of taxation?
7. Mandating a currency that must be accepted in individual transactions.
Perhaps you are for the limited government/individual freedom positions on these issues, and in which case, maybe I am wrong in determining you a supporter of large federal government (yes, in Hobbesian terms known as the Leviathan, bud), but for some reason, judging by what I have witnessed of your behavior, that would be a big surprise.
And while you sit there and try to throw out terms like "cognitive dissonance" to try to sound smart, please try to use them properly. "Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a fundamental cognitive drive to reduce this dissonance by modifying an existing belief, or rejecting one of the contradictory ideas." Please explain my cognitive dissonance.
I also like it how you are essentially conceding that supporting a large federal government is a bad thing, as, if you held the opposite belief, you would otherwise claim that you ARE for a large government and would defend that position. Perhaps you have the cognitive dissonance bud! (I'll illustrate too: 1. knowing a large, unchecked federal government is a bad thing, yet 2. attacking any politicians who advocate for the systematic reduction of the overly enlarged federal government. LOL, I think YOUR cognitive dissonance is starting to show!) - metapop, on 07/06/2008, -6/+18it was obviously a joke, hortnon. i don't have plans to kidnap and torture G.S., and in case you were curious, i don't even have a basement. my house is on a slab.
regarding my "high standards"... if journalistic integrity is a standard too high to hold G.S. to, then what are your standards, if any? G.S. was a spin doctor for the Clintons, and continues to do so. - inactive, on 07/06/2008, -1/+14It would be spam if every pro-barr story got to the frontpage. They don't, yet you troll all Barr's submissions to yell spam. You should get your priorities straight.
- chmcarro, on 07/07/2008, -0/+12I agree he does not have the record, but in order for libertarian ideas to spread, people with different political backgrounds need to be converted to the ideas of liberty. Barr, just like Paul, is speaking how Republicans should think and act.
- apc3161, on 07/07/2008, -4/+16If I ever meet Stephanopolous in real life, I'm going to wind up, and just nail him in the face. He's a propaganda agenda-driven *****.
Instead of talking about Barr's candidacy, and his views on real important issues, he spent that entire time trying to degrade him. For example:
Barr's introduction was a violent video about stabbing, gutting, etc etc.
He then tried to highlight every single position change that Barr has had over his life, trying to imply hes a flip flopper.
He called him a spoiler, and tried to equate a vote for Barr as a vote for Obama over and over again
When Barr said he read some polls saying 6-10%, George replied with "I've seen close to 3-4% but go ahead".
The news in this country is pathetic. - kemp34, on 07/07/2008, -1/+13They (rabid libertarian haters) must be scared of not succeeding freely. They want guns and government force to make the world in their image. They don't have the wisdom to see that people can solve problems without a huge government bureaucracy. They are fine with submission to the state and think everyone should be. Those who generally worship the state think if the right person is handed the controls, the problems of the world will be rapidly solved. They also usually want something, some form of security. I think people who hate libertarians have a general fear of living without a form of big brother making sure the world is going their way. It's fun to analyze.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -4/+15Why take Tim Russert and not George Stephanopoulos instead!!!!!
George is such a disgrace. They ripped into Barr before he had to chance to even speak. - soccerman90, on 07/07/2008, -9/+20Did Bob Barr explain why he voted for the Patriot Act? because that doesnt seem very libertarian to me
- homah, on 07/07/2008, -3/+13Hopefully Barr will have some opportunities prior to the election to be interviewed by real journalists instead of hacks like Stephanopoulos.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12Have you been to the Constitution Party's website? It's basically, WWJD?
- largesandwich, on 07/07/2008, -2/+12The man has my vote. Government is way too big and slow. We need a decisive, quick-acting government.
Freedom for all! I don't want any more wire-taps. - brad3378, on 07/06/2008, -1/+11Thanks for an honest response.
- titlemikedotws, on 07/07/2008, -0/+9You're not too bright, are you? Bob has changed his views on all the subjects you mentioned. Get with it. People are not born Libitarian, they learn from others. Why can't you now take him at his word, Ron Paul does. Are you a Libertarian? I think not. Who did you vote for in previous elevtions? People learn from their mistakes and Bob explans why he changed his mind on the issues.
- soccerman90, on 07/07/2008, -1/+9link to interview- http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos. ...
- JigoroKano, on 07/07/2008, -1/+9Actually I do think onetimer's argument applies more specifically to Objectivists... who tend to vote libertarian. Objectivists really do believe that there is one correct way to govern and that all other approaches are inherently evil and I'm not being facetious when I say evil.
As you say, all political persuasions make this kind of fallacy, but nobody has it ingrained in their epistemology like Objectivists. - diggduggjoe, on 07/07/2008, -0/+8I was collecting signatures for a candidate this morning and Bob Barr came up from an African-American. He got the message. I feel many Americans are awakening to the BS they have been fed and realize it is time to evaluate other options.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -0/+8you forgot the /socialism tag line.
- vbullinger, on 07/07/2008, -1/+8It's onetimer. You give him WAY too much credit. And I mean _W_A_Y_.
- kemp34, on 07/07/2008, -3/+10Same old method of troll a subject - attack - then shy away from making any basis for discussion on Onetimer's part.
@Vault: I respect your answers and that you stepped up to make them and I moderately agree with you in certain respects, but the spite the libertarians deal is childish, which I am assuming you would admit. - makenshin, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6That's pretty standard for most major interviews with Barr. It's unfortunate, but it's exposure. Though the MSM is losing some of it's material, such as 'Barr doesn't have an HQ yet' or no donations. Barr exceeded his 4th of July donation goal and this is his first real week in the General election. Things will start moving fast now.
Maybe now they will start asking him real questions about this country that all the other candidates are afraid to talk about. - TheEngineer2008, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6Well said. Only 0.3% of Americans voted Libertarian for president in 2004. It seems we'll need a whole lot of converts. It also seems we'll need a bigger tent if we're going to have any electoral success.
I've noticed many Libertarians are proud to put up the purest possible candidate, get 0.33% of the vote (regardless of the office, from county sheriff to president), then pat themselves on the back for their purity -- all while government continues to grow in size and power. Well, I'd submit that this is not success. If we can't win, so be it. I won't compromise my core principles either. However, we do have to take the strongest possible stand against the nanny state and for liberty.
Sure, Barr is a moderate, converted Libertarian. However, Barr does SO MUCH more for this than would an relatively unknown pure nominee whose name average voters wouldn't hear until Election Day, assuming they bothered to read the bottom of the ballot. And, he brings the message to the masses better than any Libertarian candidate since Ron Paul in '88. - BotchaMcCoola, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7Does anyone know a better way than Libertarian to break the
Democrat Republican stranglehold? Overspending and overborrowing are two
of our most pressing problems. But have you heard either leading
candidate discuss these? - BowieX, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6lol @ irregardless; that was extremefully well-played
- natemanAfter, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6I understand the point you're trying to make, but it seems to drip with apathetic indecision.
It seems that we have to look at the situation we are in now and ask ourselves how it is that we can get from "here" to where it is that we want to be. Unless you would actually prefer to maintain the two party system, it seems as though a three party system would at least be in the direction in which we all want to go.
Apathy draws a democracy closer to demise. That being said, I don't know what could possibly be more apathetic than voting for either of the two parties unless you truly believe in their principles. - ExOrienteLux, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
Reply to a criticism during the Great Depression of having changed his position on monetary policy, as quoted in Lost Prophets: An Insider's History of the Modern Eonomists (1994) by Alfred L. Malabre, p. 220
This is what Barr did. McCain, Obama, and the rest flip flop back and forth depending on the audience. Changing one's opinion is not flip-floping. -
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