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- Cancerkitty, on 08/07/2008, -5/+214"[S]ecurity needs outweighed curbs on their rights." I find statements like this terrifying.
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -10/+147Yeah, Americans have still got "freedom of speech", except now its located down the street in a penned-off place away from the public and surrounded by cops in a place called the "Free Speech Zone".
A practicing Democracy? You're kidding right?!
Largest prison population per capita IN THE WORLD!! America is so far from a free country it isn't even funny. And besides the corporate owned news networks making Americans some of the stupidest people on the planet, we also have the wire tapping and the rigged elections...I could go on but won't.
Just go ahead and believe the rhetoric about people 'hating freedom and democracy' fed to you by Bush and Fox News while the country continues its downward spiral into self-destruction. For your reference America has a conservative party with two right wings, known as the Republicans and Democrats. Neither one can provide long term answers when they focus on short term solutions to appease lobbyists.
Everything has now become a joke. The media is successfully training mass consciousness to have a low attention-span and cynical, willful ignorance of important issues in our world.
But keep buying more little yellow magnets made in China America, because you're too stupid to understand real Democracy, too stupid to understand high treason and too stupid to find the fvcking recruiting office or a library.
Welcome to our corporate oligarchy which masquerades as a democracy! - IrishJoe, on 08/07/2008, -5/+85They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -4/+74See you in Denver. BTW the entire USA is a free speech zone. My ancestors didn't put up with this ***** in 1776 and we sure as hell aren't going to put up with it now. Join us in Denver, then on to Minneapolis, in the spirit of 1776.
- zantos420, on 08/07/2008, -3/+71i love how the constitution is becoming nothing more than a mere memory
/sarcasm - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -3/+60welcome to the beginning of the end. start buying matches, and dried goods
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -3/+57So much for freedom...
- wishninja, on 08/07/2008, -1/+45Our government has been doing this for a long time. Diffrence is everyone has a trivial cause that they really do not care so much for . If you have a cause that is important enough start a flash mob or something and take your zaps and lumps and arrests stop being a bunch of pussies. They died in kent Ohio protesting the war. A judge only has the ability to take freedom from you if you let him. It wouldn't be called civil disobedience if there were not any laws broken.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -3/+47Sounds like this judge was another import from China. Maybe we can require protest groups to petition 5 days in advance and require government approval like in China too. Somehow I don't think that is what the Founders had in mind when they wrote the Bill of Rights.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -2/+41No more freedom of assembly. No more law and justice, just a totalitarian oilygarchy for the scared little filthy money hoarders.
- jaxontyler, on 08/08/2008, -4/+43"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin - darkhand, on 08/08/2008, -3/+40"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
Freedom must always be the first concern. - ryan83189, on 08/08/2008, -1/+34Free speech zones are the best way too express yourself because the government goes to great lengths to ensure that everyone in earshot agrees with you. That's real freedom. I can't wait for Tazer corporation to make a mat for free speech zones, like bumper cars at the carnival have, so the entire crowd can be tazed at once if we get too rowdy for their liking. I kid of course.
- wishninja, on 08/07/2008, -2/+34I think you nailed it right there. Take for instance all of those white people in Montgomery, AL that had to walk all the way to the back of the bus to get a seat, it wasn't their fault they were not the targets.
Protesting is a way of publicly and forcefully making opinions heard in an attempt to influence public opinion or government policy. Basically protesting has been banned. Standing with a sign in a designated area is not protesting. - sbcea, on 08/08/2008, -0/+29"U.S. District Judge Marcia Krieger agreed that the protesters would suffer some infringement on their freedom of expression but said those interests had to be balanced with security concerns." Yeah, no biggie. What's a little loss of freedom among friends? So how long exactly are going to put up with this? Seriously people! Land of the free ... remember? Let's get our ***** together.
- aoliver, on 08/07/2008, -2/+26(_)_)#======D~ ~ ~ Vroom Vroom in your face
- pablo0713, on 08/08/2008, -1/+24Freedom of speech is alive and well in American rhetoric.
- IamNOTmrT, on 08/08/2008, -2/+25Americans are being restricted to 'free speech cages' now to excersize their rights in. How much longer will people let this continue?
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+23Denver isn't in a free speech zone. Everyone knows that we have freedom of speech between 3rd St, and Main, in Freedom, NH.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+23Well, in 1776 we would already be shooting these scumbags and taking their boots. All the standing around and yelling in the world is not gonna make the government shrink and return our rights. If protesting was worth anyone's time then we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now, would we? In my eyes time is better spent stockpiling supplies, educating yourself and like minded individuals with guns who have the same ideas about liberty as the people standing around in the street yelling. Cause when the time comes those people will be the bodies on the ground and the "protesters" will be in the prison camps starving to death.
- TecK415, on 08/08/2008, -0/+21That's the point.
- drhex31, on 08/08/2008, -0/+21ok enlighten me on which amendment guarantees safety and security?
- cobophers, on 08/08/2008, -0/+18War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
- nkleffman, on 08/08/2008, -3/+21What part of "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech" don't you understand???
I don't give a ***** what this judge says. He is a criminal for disobeying his oath of office that he swore to protect and defend the constitution! He isn't there to sacrifice the rights of the individual to the "public good" or the "security of the general welfare".
When you start buying that "security" outweighs the rights of man then you are on the road to serfdom, and socialism and hell await you.
And one more thing, the Bill of Rights does not give me my rights. I was born with my rights, and no man or group of men can take that away from me. If he could, then it wouldn't be a right, it would be a privilege. The Bill of Rights is more truly a bill of a restrictions on the government about what they cannot do, and they cannot do this. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+17Hopefully people will remember this when they think the Democrats are going to be any better than the Republicans in this regard.
- jaymzdean, on 08/07/2008, -9/+23Ahem...
I agreed with you on everything except your contention that the Republicans and Democrats are conservative.
conservatives are for fiscal conservatism, rather than the runaway spending and debt we see now. conservatives are for a free market, not the no-bid war-profit constracts we see now. conservatives are defined by social conservatism, not the gay hookers posing as journalists in White House briefings we see now. conservatives traditionally provide support for a strong military, not the blind support of war without the slightest consideration to the strength of our military or the health of our soldiers we see now. conservatives are in favor of small government, and states' rights rather than the creation of whole new huge federal agencies with the power and permission to eavesdrop on, arrest without charges and torture and/or kill Americans we see now.
I could go on and on, but let's stop perverting the usage of the word "conservative".
Thanks in advance. - jboitnott, on 08/08/2008, -0/+14He that would live in peace and at ease, Must not speak all he knows, nor judge all he sees. - Ben Franklin
- Neoanarchist, on 08/08/2008, -0/+14@owanderhoffe: You're right. In this case, safety was the true issue. What you're missing is the fact that, because our legal system relies so heavily on precedent, this is now grounds for future protests to be restricted for the reasons of "safety" and "security". That is a direct violation of our right to peaceably assemble. Which, in case those words sound familiar but you just can't quite place them, is from the first ***** amendment of our Bill of Rights.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
If you give up freedom for security, you deserve neither.
- Benjamin Franklin (paraphrased)
As darkhand and Benjamin Franklin put it, freedom comes first, because without that we have no true safety. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -2/+15The local fox channel 31 myfoxcolorado.com was showing everyone how to make a Sling shot with surgical tubing and a Funnel.
Then they report on houses in Denver that are saving all of there Urine and Feces to be hurl at the convention center and its attendees.
Should be entertaining to say the least. - ixid, on 08/08/2008, -2/+15The problem is that it gives authorities an unacceptably large amount of control over protest under the guise of being reasonable. It also gives it the kind of low-grade tools it needs to arrest and harass anyone who doesn't keep to their designated areas, their designated numbers of allowed protesters etc.
There is a scary loss of liberty going on in the world. People need to stop worrying they're being a pain in the ass or overreacting and really fight back. In the UK we're sleep walking into biometric ID cards that will link to our medical, financial and possibly DNA records as well as handing this information out to a massive, leaky database that's shared with Europe and America and probably any script kiddy who tries. They seem to have forgotten to ask what we think about this along the way, which is for me the biggest knock against the Eurozone project - that it's such a large body with internal momentum that democracy is easily crushed. I can handle being 1/60 millionth of a democracy, somehow it feels like my voice can still be heard. I don't fancy my chances as one of 500? million, most of whom don't share my language, culture nor even many of my ideals. - normalkid0615, on 08/08/2008, -1/+13these conventions are going to be disasters. its going to be two protests, one shown on tv as being rodwy, then the other shown on blogs where police are beating man and women and detaining them for speech.
Free tibet, FREE USA!!!! - sapphire9488, on 08/08/2008, -4/+16Yep, it's called a "free speech zone". When Bush came to my town a couple years ago, anyone who wasn't holding a sign of support for him was sent to an area out of sight to most people. Look it up, they've been around since the days of the Vietnam war but have been used overwhelmingly by this administration.
- ncc74656m, on 08/08/2008, -4/+16"Those who would sacrifice their essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither." - Ben Franklin
- sunshinelife, on 08/08/2008, -4/+16We are closing in on the endgame for liberty in the USA.
- cobophers, on 08/08/2008, -1/+12I wish I were naive, it would make my life alot easier.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+12I would like to see people start to realize that there hasn't ever been a two party system and that they are all part of the same game. Each person has their own characteristics, philosophies, beliefs and what they are willing to stand behind. Peoples actions should speak for who and what they are, not a party label. The days of playing good-cop, bad-cop are just about over in my opinion. People are eventually going to catch on to this game.
- Taiyoryu, on 08/08/2008, -0/+11Guess what? Your first amendment right has not been taken away. You don't have to abide by the rules. It's called civil disobedience. As long as you assemble peaceably, you're more than welcome to protest wherever you want. Just don't be surprised by the reaction you might get. Get enough of you together and just do a sit-in. Make them carry you away, don't resist arrest, but you don't have to be complicit. Make them commit violence upon you, but do not retaliate. Then just take up the issue in court.
People make it sound like just because your right is enshrined in a document, that everyone automatically recognizes it even the ones who have been elected to enforce and protect those rights. Have you not witnessed how this current administration has already eroded the constitution? - ieatpizza, on 08/08/2008, -2/+13you didn't need a comma between matches and dried goods
bury me - unixfg, on 05/23/2009, -0/+10Tumin: It's not GRANTING us that right, it's LIMITING the government from interfering with those rights. It's not a ***** list of what we, as citizens, are allowed to do.
That 12 year olds have a higher level of literacy than you is telling. - orangefly, on 08/08/2008, -1/+10the is one the most unamerican comments i have ever read....
- notque, on 08/08/2008, -2/+11http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diary ...
The Police are buying Tazers to use against the protesters. Tazers kill. - LGod, on 08/08/2008, -1/+10That's weird, isn't this exactly what China is doing to the Olympics?
- Ravatar, on 08/08/2008, -1/+10"I'm an independent because I have strong opinions."
Liberals and conservatives can't have strong opinions? Be careful, you're about to collapse under the weight of your inflated sense of self worth. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+9"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Judges are tasked with upholding the spirit of the law by interpreting the letter. Why do we persist in accepting that this is legal.... - staunchcentrist, on 08/08/2008, -1/+9Hmm... this sounds a bit like China is doing right now, confining protesters to parks. I wonder if we'll now have to schedual protests at least 5 days in advance and have government approval before having one. This is trampling the bill of rights. Didn't Penn & Teller's ***** pull something like a petition to keep protests off the national mall to prove a point that this country is moving in the far too brain washed direction?
- notque, on 08/08/2008, -0/+8There's TONS of Minneapolis
The police are buying Tazers
http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diary ...
The potential plan for some protesters is to block the bridges into Minneapolis. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+9welcome to china.. o wait i mean denver..
*sigh* - eatavegi, on 08/08/2008, -0/+8It's no laughing matter
- Midtowner, on 08/08/2008, -2/+9The founding fathers actually knew for a fact that the majority consisted of (your word) *****. This is why we're a republic and not a Democracy. It is also why the President is elected by the Electoral College rather than the people. This is also why they created the Senate which consisted of two members from each state who were not elected by the people but rather appointed by each state.
The founders didn't trust the people, but they didn't trust themselves either. They spread power around up top, but made sure that the true power remained in the hands of the elite. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -0/+7Yeah, ***** the public and their "issues." We've got a democracy to run.
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