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- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -4/+29Typical Bush mentality.
Do whatever it takes to be on top, even if it may involve committing treason....
*Thug Lyfe* - northwatuppa, on 12/01/2008, -1/+25I thought it was the rightwingnuts that were afraid of the shadow government. Now they are thinking about starting one???
Well, what can you expect from a Newsmax interview with a Bush family member? Newsmax makes Drudge seem like a flaming liberal. - thenekkidtruth, on 12/01/2008, -4/+27From Wikipedia:
Sedition is a term of law which refers to covert conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws.
Go for it, Jeb. And call it sedition, while you're at it, since that's EXACTLY what it is. If you don't want to hang for it, you might consider creating your little seditious "shadow government" in another country other than mine, but to tell you the truth, I'm no more fond of you than most of your Florida constituency, so knock yourself out - I'm fine with it either way you choose. - Alheithinn, on 12/01/2008, -2/+22Frightening thought since neither of them could find their own asses if they sat on their hands.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -1/+19Here in Florida, Jeb is known as the Tallahassee Nazi
http://sounds1.neilrogers.com/sounds/bonr19982/39. ... - Alheithinn, on 12/01/2008, -2/+19Nothing would surprise me. After all, he seems to be as stupid as Dubya. I dunno what happened to the Bush family tree but from all appearances it has only one branch.
- MorganMghee, on 12/01/2008, -3/+16not only is it 'disturbing', it's 'illegal'. all someone needs to do is secure authenticated audio or documentation of such a plan and everyone involved gets brought up on charges of treason. There are several 'new' charges that may also be filed, according to recent changes regarding attempts to organize in an effort to effect the government.
- PoizonFrog, on 12/01/2008, -2/+13When this shadow government seizes control, who's going to be the new czar of America? George W. or Jeb?
- DonJuanAussi, on 12/02/2008, -1/+11in 90% of the world, there are strong and nearly unbreakable systems set up to stop corruption and coups. There are shockingly few in USA. I was absolutely amazed that USA could allow one GOP sponsored election official in Florida to literally steal an election by refusing to let votes be counted... and after the fake president was in power and immovable, the votes were counted and what everyone around the world suspected strongly turned out to be correct... she was stopping those votes being counted because it would have guaranteed the election for the Democrats.
There is NO other country in the world with such weak laws. the Republican party could almost seize power now considering how many Judges it has placed into important positions. Other countries do not allow for such open undermining of democracy and society. The exception has been the spineless MPs in England that have allowed the introduction of Fascist England.
So yes, the rest of the world does allow shadow governments for the sake of setting party policy and releasing press releases on the opposition policy, but there is little to no chance that these shadow governments could usurp power even if they were determined to.
Your constitution was one of the first decent standards for the rights of humans. Your voting system was one of the early voting systems. But neither has really been overhauled, and instead of proving that is has stood the test of time, it has just shown its age as every other country has updated their citizens rights, and voting systems to keep up with "worlds best policy". USA has a Model T Ford democracy, while many other countries have Jaguar XJ6 Democracies. - NinaOdell, on 12/01/2008, -0/+9Here's a secret I'll just whisper in your ear on the internet:
I NEVER, EVER, give Newsmax or World Net Daily a single hit. And the Drudge report can just plain bite me. - Jlaugh, on 12/01/2008, -5/+12A shadow government is what the opposition party does in a parliamentary system. There's nothing unusual or sinister about it.
- kingofinternet, on 12/02/2008, -1/+8the shadows is where the GOP belong, with the rest of the mold and scum.
- GardenRetreat, on 12/01/2008, -2/+7why can't they just give Obama a chance.. then freak out if they don't like what is going
.. many analysts are saying he is a pragmatic progressive not a radical liberal.. so Jeb cool your *****!!!!!!!!!!! - temptxan, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5we already have a shadow government. Neo-cons and the Carlyle Group anyone? Oh, and Jeb, your family is heavily invested...
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -2/+7Bush 41 signed PDO inacting Oli North head of private Intel, the one that ran Iran/Contra and REX84.
Bush 43 signed PDO which in where Congress was wiped out in attack, the "Shadow Gov't" would take over. This was in place on 9/11 as Bush admits a person for each member of Sen. & Congress is waiting in wings to enact such things as wiretapping and Patriot Act, FEMA budgets, etc, etc.
See "9/11 Road to Tyranny for documents" and Bush quotes.
search DVD torrents "Alex Jones" - thenekkidtruth, on 12/02/2008, -2/+7Sure, sure, sure, sure. . . these are Republicans, so OF COURSE we can trust them. And they can accomplish exactly *what* with a "shadow government" that they couldn't accomplish with a golf outing summit meeting in Dallas?
And the key point is this . . . who knows what the laws are in other countries, but in this country, it's SEDITION. - noupsell, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5i just wish they'd go away -- 48 Days 23 hours and 7 minutes left to go... let's hope we make it before they ***** anything else up *knock knock*
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -5/+10Jeb is Full of B.S., there already is a shadow gov't and he knows this.
He is diverting you into thinking it don't exist , yet .
Classic disinfo, he learned from the Best, his Daddy.
Maybe we should hire private Mercs to guard oil interests and start wiretapping inside US and torture terror suspects, etc, etc.
"Maybe?"
"In future?"
"We should?"
Nice of you to ask us after the fact. - ThsGuyRightHere, on 12/02/2008, -2/+6I think it's a poor choice of words; the phrase "shadow government" has connotations to it that are quite different from the context. Where I do disagree with Gov. Bush is his advice that the republican party needs to "listen to the base". Listening to the base is exactly how the party got in the situation it's in. The republican party's base is a group of religious extremists with an agenda that's far more aggressive than any liberal agenda. Until the republicans sit them down and say "Listen up junior, there are some things you're just not going to get," they're going to continue losing elections.
- MrColdheart, on 12/01/2008, -1/+5Jeb is a ding dong
- normlsparky, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4I agree. The Republicans have been in bed with the Christian Religion ever since Reagan was president. This unholy alliance has existed for so long that the pro life and anti gay agenda are now an official part of the party's platform. Bush Jr. has been doling out favors to this group in the form of funding and policy throughout his two terms. Now that the Christians have tasted some of the fruits of this alliance, they have no intention of giving up their influence over the party. Rejecting them could mean the end of the Republican Party, at least in in its current form.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2I would totally kick the Shadow Bosses ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyNK0RMg7PQ&feature ... - schuder, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2He's using it as a parliamentary term and something akin to what the GOP did in '94 with the Contract for America. Jeb's right about one thing, the GOP has lost it's way in pandering to neo-cons and religious nuts (Jeb is not one, or he's hiding it well).
- spinchange, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2As others have already pointed out, this is relatively innocuous stuff here given the context of party politicking....Although, the choice of words "shadow government" do hearken of another "shadow" thing we've heard much about lately -- the "shadow banking system" known in part as the international credit markets.
Coincidentally (and not related to this), Jeb Bush along with George HW, IV (the cousin, not the president dad) were also part of that 'shadow' world as well.
http://postcards.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/11/25/ ... - keltin, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Interestingly, though, Herr Clinton has been going to those meetings for more than a decade. It surely isn't just a Republican leadership issue.
- 1kewldude, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Yes - it sucked living with 2 of these Bush ***** for several years as Floridians suffered - i wish this family would just go away - or better yet to take a note from Sam Kineson's book - i hope they slide under a gas truck and taste their own blood
- Dalhectar, on 12/01/2008, -3/+5I tried to point that out, didn't work to well.
Seems like some people slept through Comparative Government. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1I wish you were correct. However, having lived in Florida while Jeb was governor, I cannot agree. He is cold and calculating--and I would consider him dangerous! He's his brother on steroids!
- flashboy131, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1Jeb showing up in 2012 is a nightmare scenario ... Republicans need to clean up their party of these extreme ideas to have any meaningful success. I am praying Obama does well and is too strong to unseat by then.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 12/02/2008, -1/+2He's smarter than his brother, but he hasn't shown much of his ideology on a national level. There are some areas where he did a decent job in Florida, but I'm not sure that would translate to presidential success. How one governs a country and how one governs a state are two very different things.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1Yeah, is HAS been commonplace, but Jeb's bro enacted quite a few new laws that make this stuff illegal (if anyone cared to enforce),
Kinda funny, eh? Bitch slapped! - heystoopid, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1Actually didn't they do this secretly with sneaky behind the back negotiations during the last year of Jimmy Carter during the Iran Embassy Hostage Situation so sedition is nothing new to charlatan pretend style false patriots who send all others to do the dying , fighting and dirty work for them at arms length just like the stupid lying dupe Oliver North(he even lied to his Commander in Chief Chairman Ronnie under direct questions from him , now that is a false flag patriot for you at work and play ) in the Iran Contra failed bandit war where peons equipped with old AK47's gave the supposedly superior on paper drug running mercenaries an absolute drubbing in the field of combat .
Sedition and numerous other illegal doings as far back as Watergate Nixon is nothing new to this party of economic destroying vampires dating back to the post Civil War reconstruction period too as well under Grant . - Jlaugh, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Well the bureaucracy can function like an oligarchy in a democratic system. Historically democracy has lead to tyranny ie. Athens went from a democracy to tyranny rather quickly, and more recently Weimar Germany went from a republic to a dictatorship. I'm sure this is what some people refer to as a shadow government or the Think-Tank-Military-Industrial-Media Complex.
- angusm, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1Comparative What? You mean, other countries have political systems too? Who knew?
As you and Jlaugh correctly point out, a shadow government is not necessarily sinister. It's really not much more than an organizational framework for the opposition party. You could even make the case that a viable opposition is an important part of any democracy, so anything that helps them stay focused and effective might not be a bad thing.
Of course if the shadow government decides that it wants to actually start wielding power, and does so by undemocratic means, then things are rather different. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1No. All of Crowley's biological progeny are known, and none of them are Barbara Bush.
- mshtml, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1Too late. They're called neocons and we saw what they did to the only conservative presidential candidate.
- heystoopid, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1Not for long the Gordon Brown Labor Government is now using their assorted Anti Terrorist legislation laws for the Police to very illegally arrest and detain opposition party Members of the House of Commons for asking extremely difficult and pointed questions in Parliament at house question time , so it its only a matter of time before the UK becomes a one party state very similar to the Joe Stalin of the thirties lot .
- Chestnutridge, on 12/02/2008, -3/+3You are right, there is nothing sinster about it but it is so, so well . . . European And as we all know anything European is UNAMERICAN! Besides the Founding Fathers didn't mention it in the Constitution so it must also be UNCONSTITUTIONAL! OH NO!!!!!! Another sign of the End of Days!!!!!!
- oldhick, on 12/02/2008, -2/+2How is sedition weighed against the first amendment?
- horridonDigg, on 12/02/2008, -0/+0i hate the bushes 2; but if you watch the video of the interview jebb is recommending that the GOP in washington act as a loyal opposition and take on the policy debates at a high level, disdaining partisanship where appropriate and in that sense act as a shadow government. So no conspiracy revealed by his words in context, I'm afraid.
- shawnstanley, on 12/02/2008, -0/+0Dugg for the Tupac reference.
- curtisag, on 12/02/2008, -5/+3Dumb *****, they have had the same thing in Britain for a long time. Find something worthwhile to whine about.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -5/+3http://www.infowars.com/?p=5072
Bush 41, cap has Bohemian Grove Owl.
Very Christian idol to worship. - inactive, on 12/01/2008, -6/+2http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bu ...
Jeb's grandpa is Crowely ? - jlungu, on 12/01/2008, -7/+2Amerika! ***** yeah!
- Dalhectar, on 12/01/2008, -16/+11FOR *****'S SAKE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_cabinet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_government
Other countries have this already, and it works out fairly well. It helps debate in the UK, Austrailia, India, and other countries that have it. What Jeb is proposing is nothing more than what the UK already has.
There's no god damn conspiracy. It's about choosing advocates of positions of another party. None of these people will have power, but would be recognized voices who could formulate and tout an alternative opinion.
In America however, we already have this. They are the minority ranking members of congressional committees. While the Shadow Cabinet concept is novel, it's largely redundant. One would hope that the Republican ranking member of the Energy committee knows something about energy policy, or the ranking Republican Ways and Means dude knows something about budgetary policy. Maybe the top Republican member of the Armed Services Commitee knows somethign about the military?
If they don't know the facts, or can't tout their positions, then that's the real problem Jeb needs to address. But there's no evil master plan here. Move On. - Dalhectar, on 12/02/2008, -7/+2First Political Parties have no constitutional power. Regardless of whoever the Republican shadow Secretary of State is, the a president-elect has the right to pick whoever they want as the actual secretary of state, subject to Senate confirmation. A republican president would be under no obligation to select any shadow sec as their person.
Second, presidential succession is fairly well layed out in the Constitution/federal law. Between the 25th Amendment and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, there's no place for random people selected by opposition political parties.
Our insistence on federalism might seem outdated to some people, but it allows for a division of power to occur that produces desirable results, such as allowing some states like California to promote embryonic stem cell research when the federal government won't, or Connecticut and Massachusetts to allow gay marriage when California or Virginia make it illegal.
Even our state based electoral college means that small states like Iowa matter, and make our politicians travel across large areas to visit lots of different states like Florida or Ohio instead of focusing on the largest media markets, thus ignoring people that don't live in the northeast I-95 US corridor or southern California.
The system has it weaknesses, but by and large it works. It might have given us Bush, but it also gave us 43 other presidents, including Barack Obama. Barack Obama became president because after the super Tuesday primaries he won 12 straight primary elections/caucuses. In a parliamentary system that the rest of the world follows, that would have never have happened. Party leaders would have sat down, and given Hillary's connections vs a freshman senator from Illinois, what chance would he ever have in a closed door selection like that? The peculiarity of our electoral system might seem arcane, yet it can produce extraordinary results. - inactive, on 12/01/2008, -7/+1http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/166.html
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