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crooksandliars.com — "We classify these groups as violent and anti-government," said Jim Cavanaugh, who supervises the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operations in portions of the South. Um, how about we classify them as Domestic Terrorists?
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- quakerorts, on 10/12/2007, -24/+124If they're not Muslim then it doesn't fit in with the official storyline, therefore, it's not important.
- dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -33/+225when america commits terrorism, it's called spreading freedom and democracy !
- ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -146/+10@dukeeeey
"Close your account and rid us of your stupidity" - ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -136/+18We kill bad guys, terrorists kill innocent civilians and their own kind.
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -25/+94@ChickenBot
Good and bad are completely subjective terms and should never be used to define something or someone. - KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -60/+6being a terrorist will soon turn into a fashion trend
- gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -26/+48How about we classify them as a militia? It IS legal under the constitution to be in a militia within the US. In fact, the purpose of the 2nd Ammendment is to allow citizens to stay armed in the even the government needs to be overthrown. If the government has a monopoly on firepower in this country, then they cant do whatever they want. You think they are going to provide oversight on themselves forever?
- painted82, on 10/12/2007, -28/+74@ChickenBot
US government has killed more innocent civilians than any other entity in the history of mankind.
The term terrorism is only used when it is involved with the globalist agenda of taking away our civil rights and liberties and bringing more countries under the direct influence of the international banking elite. - gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -17/+25ooooo... we dont LIKE the defence of weapon-ownership HERE! Ok, fine. But you cant call them terrorists if they ARENT terrorizing anyone.
- ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -44/+13Whether you want to accept it or not, there IS a difference between Muslim terrorists and domestic terrorists. The reason they commit terror acts are completely separate, as are the possible responses. For example, the CIA can go after foreign Muslim terrorists, but only the FBI can go after domestic terrorists. There are many other differences, and I'm hoping you're all smart enough to figure them out on your own.
I realize what this is about. It's a politically correct way of trying to look at all "terrorists" as equal. Unfortuantely, this is an attempt to perpetuate ignorance. I personally like political correctness in certain situations, but this is just WRONG. You cannot equate a domestic terrorist trying to blow up an abortion clinic with a home-made bomb with a foreign terrorist, funded by a multi-national syndicate with ties to or support of certain governments and an operational and training budget of tens of millions of dollars. - vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46For those of us outside America, the first experience of terrorism came well before Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists - especially with domestic terrorism. Think ETA or the IRA (who the US public largely funded through support of Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein). I know the world has changed in the last 6 years, but it is only in the US where the view is so polarised and narrow.
- pjpark, on 10/12/2007, -41/+7We don't call them terrorists because they don't spend their lives training to murder babies, schoolgirls, and unsuspecting office workers.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+27Militias are categorized as "violent and anti-government"?
It's actually quite the opposite; militias are directly authorized by the Bill of Rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Furthermore, this article *shouldn't* have anything to do with terrorism OR muslims -- it's a story about a militia that had a large stockpile of illegal weapons. Militias aren't terrorist organizations (they CAN be, but largely aren't), and the original article has NOTHING to do with muslims. This is just partisan blabber - TomJoad, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19well, this is not completely true... 2 of the top terrorist organizations in the USA are Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front.
- sotopheavy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2Don't fortet, you are a terrorist if you have ever put mentos in a diet pepsi bottle. pepsIED
- gmarks, on 10/12/2007, -11/+36I live in the US, I see so much racism from all these people about Muslims and Iraqis. It is so stupid. I hate racists.
- Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27@pjpark: Wrong terrorism has nothing to do with the weird definition of yours. An act of terrorism is an act which purpose is to instill terror to certain groups of people or to the general public. Planting a bomb in a nursing home fills all those criteria, also taking down two towers by striking them with airplanes does too, demolishing a building in Oklahoma even planting bombs to anything you think promotes technology is an act of terrorism. People who commit acts of terrorism are being defined as terrorists so Unabomber was a terrorist, among the bunch of others who committed the other acts I wrote about. Terrorism knows no boarders co calling it domestic or otherwise doesn't make it a difference...
- atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28@Chickenbot
Deconstructing (and destroying) your comment in three parts:
1) "We kill bad guys" : This iron clad reasoning is EXACTLY the kind that Osama uses. It's just so convincing and persuasive! You are actually putting the cart in front of the horse. It more like "whoever we kill become bad later, because hey, we killed them didn't we?"
2) "terrorists kill innocent civilians" : What do you think happens when the US bombs a population-dense Baghdad from 30,000 feet? If you think so smart bombs are so smart, may I recommend "Why We Fight", which goes into some detail about the first bombings and their highly predictable results (hint: lots of non-military kids and elderly in pieces)
3) "and [terrorists kill] their own kind." : I could go a lot of ways with this, but I'll just say two words: Pat Tillman - ricree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Seriously, terrorism isn't a matter of guns or bombs, it is a question of intent and tactics. There certainly have been domestic terrorists. For example, abortion clinic bombers fit the bill, as well as people like the Unabomber and a number of evnironmentalist terrorists. However, just being heavily armed is not terrorism in and of itself.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -22/+5Again ANOTHER crooksandliars article on the frontpage of Digg. And imagine the first few comments being staunchly anti US. So its ok for crooksandliars to spam their crap to the frontpage of digg, but when a conservative tries and digg an article from ANY conservative source, its quickly buried?? Complete *****.
As for the article, these are not terrorists. The reason they are not called terrorists, is that they were not and were not planning to "terrorize" anyone or anything. No more than someone who stockpiles illegal drugs is a terrorist. Had they used their bombs, or guns, or anything they had, then MAYBE they could be referred to as terrorists. I LOVE how crooksandliars tries to ALWAYS call people racist and LOVES to protect real terrorists by trying to point out hypocrisy. They would protect those willing to do Americans harm until their aren't any Americans left. - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29"an act which purpose is to instill terror to certain groups of people or to the general public"
You mean like when Bush or Cheney says the terrorists will win or come here if we vote for a democrat or leave Iraq? Isn't most politics about scaring people, instilling fear in the general public? Vote for me or die kinda stuff?
Should we bomb the politicians? They scare me more than any Muslims I know. - atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21@painted82
I'm sympathetic to your aim (as you might prove by looking at my comments), but we can make our point and still stick to real facts. We have killed many innocent civilians through military operations throughout history - I say as much about Iraq in my post in this thread earlier - but we are not the record holders. Just in the 20th century, USSR under Stalin, a paranoid psychopath who had all the doctors in his country ordered exterminated from his deathbed because he thought there was a conspiracy against him from them, had around 20 million killed, far more than one can convincingly argue have died under the United States and its actions. Further, the "Great Flowering", a total disaster in Red China under Mao, killed (primarily through completely avoidable famine and mismanagement of vital resources) around 25-40 million (the exact number is not known). The Holocaust killed around 6 million Jews, and those were innocents. The US cannot yet claim a higher number than these dubious "achievements". I might be dug down for not saying the United States has been the WORST EVER IN HISTORY, but I will still to the facts, stick to saying that America has a LOT of innocent blood on its hands but not the most, and to hell with the popularity contest. - rlh1, on 10/12/2007, -21/+19@painted82
""US government has killed more innocent civilians than any other entity in the history of mankind.""
Utter *****. - atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@ rlh1
What it took me 250 words to say you did it in 2. Maybe I'm just wordy...... - StepCousin, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Nobody ever said that Muslims have a monopoly on 'crazy'. They just happen to be in the majority.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1The VT killer targeted Jew and Christian classmates and had a Muslim crescent.
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -2/+5wait, so "the DeKalb County-based group had not made any specific threats or devised any plots, but was targeted for swift dismantling because of its heavy firepower"? all the pro-gun control whackos ALWAYS argue militia this and militia that claiming that the 2nd amendment applies exactly to this. so when someone finally does create a free standing militia absent government oversight, it gets broken up. no sense at all... none.
- NatieB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@painted82
atticus pretty much had this one covered, but check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide for an interesting read and some numbers that say you're pretty much ridiculously far off. - trevorml0878, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If all the guns are legal then the government can go screw itself. These people aren't doing anything wrong. It's unamerican to go around and claim other people are "paranoid" and therefore can't own guns or train as a militia. They are looking for any reason to claim that there are domestic terrorists, that way they can come down hard with REALID and lots of other government control tactics. They want check points all over the nation where they can "check your papers". This is just the social conditioning in action to trick us into letting them do it. BS!!
- CptAmerica, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2No, I consider the liberal America terrorists.
- gpd209, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm no fan of these stupid milita groups, but Crooks & Liars is undermining its bigger point by using this group as an example of domestic terrorists. Armaments do not a terrorist make. Plans to terrorize do.
I usually enjoy the links people submit to Crooks & Liars, but I'm marking this one INACCURATE. Find a real example, and let's have a real discussion about this important issue. - TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4The difference? Well, if you reported that story in Israel or a Jew trying to blow a building up, then they would condemn it vividly. If you went to a Muslim country for something like that then they would praise that guy and Muhammad. I see a difference. There is a horrible mindset in most Arab countries right now. We need to fix that problem.
Eric Wilson - PsychoticClown, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Christian terrorism is a lot, lot worse than the proverbial "Islamic terrorism" because it pretends that it respects democracy and freedom, whereas no one is more intolerant, bigoted and hateful than fundamental Christians, and that's *despite* living in secular, englightened, democratic socities for hundreds of years now.
- jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4There are two big differences between Islamic terrorists and US "extremeist"
American domestic groups which tend toward the radical side are usually composed of law abiding citizens which have a life beyond their cause and tend to work through political channels. Some small groups may form to take direct action but they are usually retards and losers.
Another huge difference is that they aren't funded by Saudi and Iranian oil money nor do they have international training camps.
Hezbollah, the Islamic Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and other Islamic terror organizations are funded by Islamic states and super-rich individuals. They are much more professional, better trained and quite capable of recruiting fanatical followers that will undertake suicide missions. Many of their rank and file members are college educated- often in the United States.
Our fat-ass, Neo-nazi, anti-abortionist wanna be terrorists play soldier in the backwoods compounds of places like Montana where every third member is an undercover Fed. Most of them are high-school dropouts. Some joined the military but were washed out. They are more of a hazard to themselves than anything else.
It's sad really. We used to have such pride in domestic products. - painted82, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4@aticus and nati8
Look at the facts? I'm ridiculously far off?
Stalin killed over 20 million to take over USSR and Mao killed a few million to take over China. Right now, US has military bases in over 100 countries all over the world. Use your logic and think about how many they killed for this global conquest. US government almost wiped out an entire race of Native Americans across a whole continent just to establish itself. In last century alone, it is responsible for over 100 million deaths.
Who do you think put Mao in power? Who do you think funded Hitler only to have our innocent soldiers fight him and his army? Who do you think goaded Japan into attacking us by cutting off their oil supply and leaving our sailors to die at Pearl Harbor so they can get us into WW2? Who do you think faked an incident at Gulf of Tonkin to go into Vietnam and kill millions of Vietnamese people along with over a hundred thousand American troops? Who do you think blew up WTC 1, 2 and 7 on 9/11 to brainwash American public into invading Afghanistan and Iraq? Who do you think put Saddam in power? Who do you think put the current Iranian government in power? Who do you think gave North Korea nuclear technology? Please.... ***** wake up and stop believing their lies. - Critique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You crap brain !! That the the point that if they are not Muslim then they are declared "somewhat violent" but Muslims are declared Terrorists even on the basis of having mobile phones. So you better shut up and bring your American Racism somewhere else.
- veersite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ dukeeeey,
When America commits terrorism, you should fly over there so I can get you on a no-fly list and you can't come back.
:-)
Dude, you seriously need to switch sides. Shoo. Go live in some other country so my taxes aren't used to support you.
- dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -33/+225when america commits terrorism, it's called spreading freedom and democracy !
- Ralfast, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12? on the first, stockpiling weapons, by itself is not illegal, although it is a red flag, on the second part, well we know that its not a terrorist if it blows somebody else plane out of the sky. This turns the whole "War against Terrorism" into a farce.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Is running a militia instant terrorism? even if they haven't committed violence or harmful acts? I think people need to go read the 2nd amendment because it doesn't only say the right to bear arms. The ATF is committing treason disregarding the constitution like this. - veersite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ruby Ridge - Feds need to go to jail for picking on the wrong folks.
Oklahoma City Bombing - we're all wishing the Feds had picked on the _right_ folks.
You can thank Clinton-era laws for all this "dude's got a few guns so he's dangerous" mentality.
Now if you've got 3 million rounds of 50 cal ammo, 100 RPGs and 20 Ak47's... you might be a redneck. Or a domestic terrorist.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
- sweetescapamos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Not only does it not fit in with their agenda it is another example of how prejudice and the desire to appear pure has permeated this country. I do not remember racial profilingoccurring after Timothy McVeigh and his cohorts bombed federal building and killed men, women and children.
God bless America to be fair, just, and to take the rafters out of its own eyes.- magicRob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16And those bombings (Oklahoma City) were initially reported to have been done by Islamic Terrorists...
- magicRob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Damn it, edit box closed... Anyway here's some information about that mis-reporting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing#Media_coverage - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1So there was misreporting, what does that prove? The media fingered my best friend as the VT shooter within 12 hours of the incident, and plastered his name all over the place, simply because he was asian and matched a few criteria. Does that mean they are racist? No. It means they have to fill 24 hours with *****, and sometimes they reach a bit. Trying to make America look racist because, GODFORBID we THEORIZE that it COULD be an attack from Arab people, when ALL of the other big terrorist attacks on our country have been from Arab people, thats common sense. Then when the facts come out, the media reports them. I dont see your stupid point.
- toddcat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27These guys scare me a lot more than any supposed Muslim terrorists, espeically since, oh, we haven't found ANYONE since 9/11/01 and I've met plenty of crazy-ass white government haters in the US since then. (Not that all government haters are white but.....)
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5Haven't found anyone since 9/11?? What are you talking about? Do you seriously not watch the news at all?
- schnuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13muyoso "Haven't found anyone since 9/11?? What are you talking about? Do you seriously not watch the news at all?"
do you seriously never use your brain at all? show me some of those found terrorists. they are all at gitmo, right? how many of those poor chaps are really guilty? yes, fox is presenting them to half-brains as you as terrorists but i daresay none of them are proven guilty.
p.s. if there is anything like the ***** made up "axis of evil" - the only nation on there should be the bush's USA. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1So since none of them are proven guilty, therefore none are guilty. Your logic is flawless. So I guess the VT killer was innocent of killing all those people right? Cause he is dead, and will never be "proven" guilty in a court of law. Jeez, I am in AWE of your logic. Oh, and look at the news i nthe past 24 ***** hours Rtard. They caught a person, "Senior AQ commander Abdul Hadi al Iraqi captured". Oh, he was the mastermind behind the London bombings, but I guess he's not guilty of that because we haven't proved it in a court of law yet. Tee hee, I love your logic.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Weren't there some homeless guys plotting to blow up a bridge? We caught them, right?
- skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3These guys scare you.
They might scare me too if they wanted to steal things from me.
They might also be my best friends when the government collapses (if their ethics are up to standard.)
Oh wait, governments never collapse and food will always be in the grocery store and water will ALWAYS come right out of your sink. Crazy stuff like depressions, chaos, and collapse only happen in fiction and history books and only to evil communist countries. Militias were written into the constitution because the forefathers knew that we would never need them. They were just filling up budgets with pork on that one folks. We all know America goes on forever.
- chicoer2001, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Tie to round up white Alabamans
- SammyJr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nuke them from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Yeah, you guys must not have been paying attention then.
EVERYTHING in the U.S. gets labeled "Terrorism". We just stick different words in front of it. Mostly "Domestic Terrorism". Timothy McVeigh (spelling?) was a "Domestic Terrorist".
It is BS labeling everything as terrorism, it gives them an excuse to prosecute under things in the Patriot Acts, reserved only for "enemy combatants" and since we're at war with "terror", then, if you are a terrorist, you become an enemy combatant.- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Not true. The DC sniper wasn't labeled terrorism. Lots of things that are, in fact, terrorism are not labeled as such because the government wants to say "we haven't experienced terrorism since 9/11!"
It's only "terrorism" when we stop it first.
- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Not true. The DC sniper wasn't labeled terrorism. Lots of things that are, in fact, terrorism are not labeled as such because the government wants to say "we haven't experienced terrorism since 9/11!"
- newstart, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14As humans we try to find answers to terrorist acts, and other incidents. We try to answer the Billion Dollar questions:
"Why did it happen?" "Why did he/she do it?"
In our search for answers, the easy way out is to try to associate a person's origin, religion, even appearance to the attack. Our brains foolishly wants us to associate a particular community with that attack.
For example:
We start hating muslims because the attacker was a muslim (in case of 9/11)
We start hating Koreans because the attacker was a korean (in case of recent VT shootings)
We think have found the answers to our questions by hating a particular community but as it turns out, WE ARE WRONG.
Sometimes Governments and politicians play with these feelings to get their dirty work done. We know who they are! ITS TIME TO WAKE UP AND STOP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES!- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12You want to know why it happened? In my opinion, it's this...
Draw a bell curve. The people in the middle are normal people. The people on the fringes are whack jobs who are willing to kill. The people on the fringes have always and will always be whack jobs.
With small populations, the chances of people statistically popping up the extreme fringes is small. The greater the population, the greater the chance.
That's what is happening in our world. It's not a battle between good and evil. It's not a backlash against the hegemony of America. It's not about gun control laws. It's statistics pure and simple. The populations of the world are rapidly merging into one. The small bell curves where people rarely show up on the fringes are disappearing, and the new big curve has plenty of people to statically pop out hundreds of whack jobs each year.
I really think looking at it in terms of good and evil is actively harming us. The whack jobs aren't evil, they are just abnormal. The sooner we realize abnormal people are always going to pop up regardless of morality, the sooner we can leave the rhetoric behind and find a way to control that portion of people that will statistically always be with us.
It's like in the Matrix. The anomaly can not be eliminated, but that doesn't mean it can't be controlled. Imagine Colonel Sanders waxing poetically about how the anomaly is evil, that Jesus hates Neo, and if it wasn't for violent movies, Neo probably would be a well behaved kid. - ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6lieutenantmudd:
Your comment was great... up until you started referencing the Matrix. Next time you have an interesting opinion to share, try not to make yourself look like an idiot by the end of it.
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12You want to know why it happened? In my opinion, it's this...
- loganhid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18SO TRUE
Its like when a Muslim is fighting for for his/her right, then he or she is labelled as a Terrorist but when someone else does it their known as Freedom fighters- ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -18/+1119 muslims hijack planes and crash them on buildings killing thousands, what right are they exactly defending?
Be specific.... - Mousse, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Still, in many cases the word terrorism is justified. For example, killing Buddhists in Thailand or stoning a woman for being raped is not helping anyone's rights.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15No, they were freedom fighters when they were fighting the Soviets.
- woody313, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0loganhid:
Wow.. it must be nice being so ignorant, you know, bliss and all that..
- ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -18/+1119 muslims hijack planes and crash them on buildings killing thousands, what right are they exactly defending?
- modifiedbears, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5This is off topic, but I really want to see this video on the front page. I didn't submit the story or the video. This guy is just awesome.
http://digg.com/politics/Sen_Mike_Gravel_at_SC_Debates_04_26_07 - ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2@lieutenantmudd
Would you call the Nazis...good? NO!! they were sadistic terrorists!!
Would you the 9/11 Hijackers...good? NO!! they were cowards of the worst kind.
Would you call Hiroshima a good deed? NO!! But it stopped the war and saved millions of lives.
Good is good and bad is bad, We all have a sense of what is good and evil.
Muslim Radicals know that killing people is not nice, but they do it because they are dumb bots who follow orders without question and want to earn 72 virgins and have sex with them, I mean it doesn't get more retarded than THAT!
Ever wondered why Osama doesn't strap C4 on him and blows himself up? Because they don't believe their own BS, they are just murderers, nothing more.
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***** "A terrorist is not made by creed, race or nationality, it is made by the choice of killing those who do not deserve to die" *****
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. - nottidredd, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3no it's only Muslims that are Terrorists, big difference
- Locke21, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I don't see how this is a big deal. Militias have been around since the founding of our country.
- blueberries, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12so how many people has the "Alabama Free Millitia" killed this month? year? decade?
now how many innocent people have been killed by islamic terror TODAY? here's the frontpage article from CNN online TODAY:
"A suicide bomber killed at least 58 people today when he blew up a car between two shrines in the Shiite holy city of Karbala, Iraqi police said. Scores more were hurt in the attack that apparently targeted worshippers heading to evening prayers."
Funny I didn't read anything in crooks and liars article about this alabama millitia's killings of innocent children on their way to school, exploding buses of innocents on their way to work, despicable murders of woman whose only crime was not wearing enough clothing before she stepped out of the house that morning. You know why? because these are the actions of real terrorists. Not some lunatics out in the boonies stockpiling rifles. loganhid, are you serious? "fighting for his/her right"? Murdering people while they pray isn't fighting for their right. Comparing the people who commit atrocities against humanity like this to a bunch of rednecks with too many guns is so mind bogglingly retarded, I don't even know what to say to you.- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4EXACTLY
I love how you are being dugg down for your comment. Someone not want to really compare the two head to head????? How about we find out how many people this Alabama militia has stoned to death, cut hands off, executed, etc . . . .. - schnuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5how many people have been killed in Iraq before bush invaded and how many died since bush's liberation? how much more was a "normal" life possible before bush invoked a civil war? how many more do need to die just so bush's political agenda pays off?
you call self defense terrorism? how do you call causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands Iraqis by bush? democracy & freedom?
go, ***** yourself dude. - blueberries, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1schnuck, the killing of innocents is not self defense. Exploding a bomb in a mosque is not self defense. Blowing up a bus full of men, women, and children is not self defense. Decapitating humanitarian workers is not self defense. Want me to continue?
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4EXACTLY
- ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4You know why terrorists operate the way they do?
Because fighting with uniforms on a conventional war against any country would get them squished like a cockroach.- ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Thank you, Captain Obvious.
- ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3That is Chickn Obvious for you.
- adnams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thats very true Chickenbot, so are you telling us if you were on their side of the conflict you would be a man and fight in the open and die straight away, or fight for your rights using the only viable methods you have? If you would choose the first option, you're more stupid than your posts would give you credit
- baldick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I'm waiting for the very balanced, educated and bright comment from AdmiralAdama telling us how, in fact, it *is terrorism only if the perpetrators ARE Muslim. Every time I read one of his comments I visualize LGF members orgasming at every thought he expresses.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I am just waiting for people to compare someone who has broken a law, but not hurt or intended to hurt anyone, with those who have killed thousands in an effort to bring their RELIGION to a foreign country. Oh wait . . . .
- funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3My god, there are plenty of impressionable 17 year olds in this thread.
- rune420, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Am I the only one who thought working at the "federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operations in portions of the South" sounds like one hell of a party?
- PainCompliance, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4"Good and bad are completely subjective terms and should never be used to define something or someone."
And therein lies the crux of the moral and ethical decay the liberal mindset has fomented in this country.
"Nothing is good or bad and therefore I hold no personal accountability for my actions" And you wonder why there are drive-by shootings and the like.
That is quite possibly the most idiotic thing I have ever seen posted. In the name of all that is holy, please, go buy a clue.- ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6People who you consider evil think they're good, and think YOU are evil. That is the defitinion of what "subjective" is.
Name one person who you classify as "evil" who themselves thought they were evil, and who their followers thought was evil.
This isn't a liberal or conservative thing. This is common sense. This is your inability to put yourself in other people's shoes, to attempt to think as they do, to try to figure out why they do what they do. This is why people like you will never have anything worthwhile to bring to this debate, and why people like you will never figure out how to stop terrorists.
Terrorists are not trying to be evil. They're trying to do what THEY think is the right thing to do. Why is it so difficult for you to understand this?
If you do not understand your enemy, you will never defeat them. - atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You have no idea what "subjective" means. Subjective means it changes in the eyes of the beholder. You damn well know the terrorists think America is evil ("great satan", etc. etc.), you obviously think they were evil. That means its changing in different people's eyes. That's called subjective. As you say "go buy a clue"
And recent "liberal decay" or whatever the hell you think you are talking about is the cause of drive-by shootings? Before I start to uncontrollably giggle, remind me what liberal decay prompted the Crusades? War of the Roses? The annihilation of the Indians? our Civil War? The Holocaust? Jesus, as least give me a more credible reason for all the United States' violence. You know, like video games. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2@ ilyag
You could be the dumbest ***** I have ever had the pleasure to read. So someone cannot be evil unless they themselves think of themselves as evil? Are you retarded. There are easy ways to see if someone is evil. Someone who rapes a child, is EVIL. A person who kills a child on purpose is evil. Someone who in the effort to bring forth a religious upheaval against their enemy, takes 4 planes and kills THOUSANDS of civilians, as a concentrated effort to ONLY kill civilians, IS EVIL. I dont need ANYONE to tell me that they aren't. It ISNT a subjective thing. It is ONLY subjective to people of a liberal mindset that feel as though passing judgement on an act or a person is somehow not a human thing to do. It doesnt make a difference if you are religious or not, there are ABSOLUTE moral codes that judge whether someone or something is evil or not. There are also subjective moral codes, but they tend to deal more with whether an act is right or wrong ethically. - localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There is no such thing as evil, to me anyway - that term implies absolute extremes between 'good' and 'evil'. Who has the right to gauge what is good and what is evil? No-one. What we can do is simply look at each situation and use our moral code (whether they be based on religion or any other form of code) to decide whether an action was right or wrong. If someone rapes, it is wrong - due to the fact that society has declared it as a wrong. There could be many reasons why this person committed the act (mental illness would be the main issue I would say) but to declare his action as evil would be misguided.
- ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6People who you consider evil think they're good, and think YOU are evil. That is the defitinion of what "subjective" is.
- feelmydisease, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6as long as we are rounding up people...how about these anti abortionists, the ALF and ELF, Mormons, any street gang, religous fundamentalists, the DEA and ATF, GW Bush and 'Big Oil', etc etc. Just remember: what is moral on one side of the mountain might not be on the otherside.
- AtroPunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Ideology's differ but all opinions have muscle to back them up. This is the nature of man.
We must stop all of this finger pointing as a race of people.Let people be. Yes there are those that take up arms and kill others. What are you going to do about it? Sit there and point your finger or are you going to take up arms and fight for what you believe.
These Americans with large weapon's cached away are not your enemy. As a matter of fact the Islamic extremist are not your enemy. Your enemy is the power's that be. The rich and powerful that want you to be scared and rely on them to take care of all of your problems.
Be your own person, you are your own responsibility. Stop pointing fingers! By a gun, raise your kids to take care of themselves and be good law abiding people. Teach them Chinese, so they can be players in the future global market. Stop being ordinary and boring. Fight fight fight, life is Delicious!!!
Powers that be please ignore, i love my ordinary life and job and home. Thanks for letting me keep guns and do what I want when I want. Thanks for being keeping the USA free and full of oppurtunity. Thanks, but don't f-up or I and all the rest of us will smoke yo asses and re-elect some cool mo's.- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Um no.
Freedom fighters fight against an army primarily.
Terrorists terrorize civilians primarily.
Nice try though, it was almost a catchy little quote you had there.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Um no.
- marshallr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8So they were arrested for practicing the second amendment? That's pretty bad. If they committed an actual crime and the media only focused on the weapons, then it would make more sense, but just due to stockpiling weapons?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html- buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1]] So how does your little rant explain 30 years ago the taking of hostages in Iran
Ummmm, Iran kidnapped the hostages and threw foreigners in general out of their country because the United States and the UK had overthrown their democratically elected government in order to bring in a puppet dictator.
Funny how the neocon memory only goes back to the last hit.
The really funny thing is that all the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi. Do we attack Saudi Arabia? Nope, we attack the country next to it that 100% had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. But we knowingly lie about it before hand in order to justify the attack.
Our attack against Iraq is equivalent to attacking Spain for something French Citizens had done.
But I guess with racists like you it doesn't matter who we attack in the middle east, cause they all look the same to you anyway. - buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Funny, this comment was supposed to be in the next block of rants, looks like I missed.
- buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1]] So how does your little rant explain 30 years ago the taking of hostages in Iran
- bjiggs, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7Is every left-wing nut job on the planet posting to this site?
When "we" start celebrating the public be-headings of innocent civilians, encouraging our children to strap bombs to themselves, whip our women for showing their hair in public, etc etc etc. Well, then maybe some of the comments here will be valid. Until then, they are the simple-minded, childish rants of those who will say just about anything as long as it's anti American.
Are all terrorist muslims? Of course not. But be realistic. If you were to tally up all of the worlds terrorist acts over the past 30 years, I'll bet you about 90% of them were comitted by muslims.
You are basically asking people to deny what they see with their own eyes.
Good luck with that.- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Wow, what a poorly thought out rant. (Assuming you are from the USA) Your country suffers a single terrorist attack and you suddenly think you have suffered worse then any other country. Yes, the 9/11 attacks were terrible but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world has never felt that pain.
What about the UK with IRA attacks for 50 years? What about Northern Ireland with fighting between the 2 sides for that time? What about Spain and ETA? Whay about the dozens of nationalist terrorist groups around the world? Just saying 'in the last 30 years' doesn't suddenly mean the rest of the world can ignore their pasts. Another thing to think about is the Christian terrorists, the fundamental pro-life terrorists and more.
All you are doing is purpetuating the idea that the USA thinks it is the most important nation in the world and its problems outrank those of every other nation - so much so that they will do anything, to any country or person at any time in order to solve them. Wake up and realise that your actions do affect the world. Every time your country's leader comes out and rants about muslim terrorists, he simply destabilises the world even more. He makes those who oppose the USA even more angry.
Also, I don't think many people on this site are anti-american at all. What they are is anti-bush and anti-ignorance. They simply want people to wake up and realise that the USA has strayed so far from its values and that something needs doing about it. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3So how does your little rant explain 30 years ago the taking of hostages in Iran, and the HUNDREDS of attacks on the US by muslims since then? I know the world has its own problems, and I know the world has to deal with its own terrorists. No one said that 9/11 was the only attack, although by far it was the worst, and by far it was the most world changing, which you cannot deny.
- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Err... Can you provide sources for the 'hundreds of attacks' by muslims on the USA? They haven't been reported very will it seems...
I think you will find that the USA has suffered more attacks from Pro-life terrorists and christian fundamentalists than muslims in the last 30 years. And the UK has suffered more attacks than the USA, as has Spain due to ETA.
Your claim that it is down to muslims simply makes you look ignorant and bigoted. Can you back up your claims?
Also, whilst the attacks on 9/11 were the largest that have occurred, that doesn't mean as much as a sustained terrorist campaign in my mind. Having an entire country in fear of attack for 50 years with continual attacks (such as N.I and the UK) is much worse IMO. Ok, we are living in a situation similar to that now with islamic fundamentalists and their supposed world wide campaign against the USA and the coalition but I don't think it is actually as bad - due to the fact that much of it seems to be hot air.
You may want to look through http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm - schnuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7people like you will never understand the basic principles of cause and effect. people like you will always vote GOP.
so lately, 90% of all terrorists are Muslims? dude, you only see a Saddam gassing 1500 (or possibly more) Kurds to death with chemicals sold to him by no one else than the US. the US then invades Iraq under false premises and causes the death of hundreds of thousands of deaths. what do people like you conclude: Muslims who defend themselves against pure evil (by means of suicide bombings) are the only terrorists. the expression Islamic terrorism didn't exist before bush's political advisers made it up. it is called: PR. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1You may want to look through:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
That chronicles all attacks from muslims over the last 120 DAYS. Not all of them are on US interests, but you should get the point.
@schnuck
Have you looked at who actually KILLED those "hundreds of thousands" that you put it? Have you actually LOOKED at the figures? Of course you haven't. Here is a clue, IEDs account for a majority, and the US doesnt use IEDs. Go through the lists, take a look at it. Saying what you said is HIGHLY wrong and misleading. - atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@muyoso
I don't know how or why his comment was supposed to "explain" the Iranian hostage takers. That wasn't even being discussed, and what he said does not at all negate (or even concern) the Iranian hostage takings, which everyone agrees happened. You didn't even point out the truest and most valid claim he made, which was that people on this site are not anti-american, whatever they might seem to you. They are, as he said, anti-Bush and anti-ignorance. My economics are quite conservative, for instance, and I hate Bush on those conservative grounds. Bush is not a terrible force against the liberals in this country. He is a terrible force for all of America, (TRUE) conservatives and progressives alike. I go to a rather conservative school and all the smartest Republican I know are hugely disappointed in Bush, and why wouldn't they? They believe in facts, not spin, and the spin is not there.
Second, I don't think the most influential terrorist act in history was 9/11. I'd have to go with the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand (he was killed with guns and bombs by a group called "The Black Hand" in an attempt to cause Slavic unification and general destablization and terror) that sparked WWI. Not only did it cause all the eventual deaths of WWI, but the conditions of Germany's surrender created the atmosphere that allowed Hitler to come to power. Avoiding this would have avoided all of WWII. Further, the events of WWI and WWII restructured the entire Middle East through partitioning, government manipulation, and the creation of Israel, which have all hugely affected the area and are the principle concerns of all these modern terrorism. - AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@muyoso: wow. You are unbelievable.
1. You cite a site that hates Muslim. So there goes 90% of your credibility
2. The site cites *any* violence as begotten from religion. With that same logic, a murder in Chicago by a 'Christian' is the same thing. If you want to use such a counting system - I hate to tell you, but you are going to be disappointed with Christianity :( - bjiggs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"the expression Islamic terrorism didn't exist before bush's political advisers made it up"
And therein lies the fatal flaw in a liberals view of our current situation. ...the fantasy that the world was doing just fine right up until 9/11. And that if we had just turned the other cheek following 9/11, everything would have returned to normal.
Never mind the fact that dozens of terrorist attacks against the US had occurred prior to that. And never mind the fact that with each one, our failure to respond only invited more devastating attacks. I recall many incidents leading up to this day and those of us who were paying attention had no doubt that it would eventually reach a tipping point. Long before 9/11 there were many of us who were following the "Islamic Terrorism" that you claim was invented by George Bush. Maybe you're too young to know any better but I can assure that this started a long time ago.
As for the other comments about non-Islamic terrorism, I said from the beginning that it most certainly DOES happen. There's no doubt that it went on in Ireland for many years as well as in dozens of other areas around the world in situations having nothing to do with Islam or the US. But has terrorism been adopted as standard practice by radical Islamists? Yes. Has Islamic culture failed to deal with the problem? Absolutely.
I've heard Muslim scholars proudly proclaim that less than 10% of Muslims condone terrorist actions. Are you kidding me? So, out of 1 billion Muslims ONLY 100 million think it's OK to saw someone's head off on television?
The bottom line is this. I don't think Muslims on an individual level are any better or worse than the rest of us. The world is full of good guys and bad guys and which way you swing probably doesn't have much to do with where you were born. That said, Muslim culture has got some serious PR problems at the moment since many of it's members seem to be fine with behavior that can only be described as barbaric.
I'm not going to pretend that this isn't the case out of some silly sense of political correctness.
- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Wow, what a poorly thought out rant. (Assuming you are from the USA) Your country suffers a single terrorist attack and you suddenly think you have suffered worse then any other country. Yes, the 9/11 attacks were terrible but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world has never felt that pain.
- MisterFlaut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Anyone else find it utterly ***** pointless that we have a Bureau for *ALCOHOL* *TOBACCO* and Firearms?
Alcohol and Tobacco? WTF? Why not Cough Syrup and Nasal Sprays?- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Of the three, one alone is not a party.
- mlfoley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Wow, exercising your second amendment rights is a crime now? Very nice.
The ATF is nothing but thugs. - Rekzai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Scientologists are terrorizing your country
- shadowfox6, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Crimes has been known since the beginning of mankind, and of course not every crime is done for the one purpose that is terrorizing people, sometimes that is the case but mostly every action has a reaction.
If only people could understand the motivation of the crime & try to stop what started it, we can at least have some peace & can stop killing innocent souls...
@ chicknbot please this is not HOLLYWOOD where America is the center of all that is good & justice. - hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6So when IS Dig going to put an end to crooksandliars obvious gaming of the algorithm?> Just look at hte Who Dugg This on all their submissions.
And the set up of this was inaccurate...right from the beginning. "Remember the three Muslim men who were arrested for buying cell phones" Nope. It wasn't that they "bought cell phones". It is that buying EIGHTY cell phones has absolutely no normal function, so it makes sense to investigate them. People don't just buy 80 cell phones for personal use.
As for this story...did they DO anything to TERRORIZE yet? No. AS such, by the very definition of hte owrd, they are not Terrorists.- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4It is ridiculous how many articles have been from crooksandliars.com just in the past week on the frontpage. Good to see digg's gigantic bias. For fun, think of a conservative blog and search through digg for it, oh, and then turn on include buried stories. I rest my case. Ridiculous.
- jcm267, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It amazes me that people bury anything if it so much as comes from a Fox News source (even if it's an AP article on foxnews.com), but crooks & liars makes it to the front page so often.
- drag0ns1ayer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Because Digg is RUN by crooks and liars, that's why.
Otherwise, they'd have cleaned up this mess a long time ago.
And they have jihadist sympathizers working there, which is why any article that might alert the public about jihadism gets buried in a heartbeat. Can you say treason?
Anybody want to place bets on how long it'll take them to ban me just for saying this?
Take screen shots of my comments, folks, because they'll delete those too!
- heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Call me crazy, but I think they should probably have to commit some violent crimes, maybe make some demands or something before we label them terrorists. Simply stockpiling weapons doesn't make you a terrorist, domestic or otherwise.
- ownon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Cavanaugh is that same ***** who was at Waco. After the ATF ran out of ammo they negotiated a truce. Then they tortured and murdered all those people.
- johnnygriswold, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Here's how to tell if you're really a terrorist: CAIR will be on your side and sue anyone that calls you out on your wrongdoing. Muslims can do no wrong, even when there's a DAILY story of them blowing up their own people. haha. Oh, and don't forget about them beheading Christians. Oh, and don't forget about all their test runs on planes. Oh, and don't forget about all of their hate speach coming out of Mosques all over the globe. Oh, and don't forget about the President of Iran calling for Isreal to be wiped of the map.
Ask yourself, are you THAT afraid to look the enemy in the eye?
Islam is bad and it is proven every day.
If there's a bunch of white, anti-government cooks, hording weapons, then they should be hauled off to jail, just like any Muslim should be.
Wrong is wrong, no matter who's doing it... But for the most part... it's Muslims.- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Wow, what a bigoted and ill informed rant. Maybe you should do some reading and find out what Islam actually teaches. Those muslims who kill are not true muslims, they are simply murderers. A christian who kills is a murderer. A person who thinks they are a follower of a faith who kills is simply a murderer.
Why bring religion into it at all? It is irrelevant.
(BTW. I am an atheist, but I respect other people's beliefs) - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Sorry, but who gives a ***** what Islam teaches. Look at the positives and negatives that come from the religion/people/countries. You have the creation of Algebra and the luck of sitting on oil in the positive corner. And then you have the intense irrational hatred of anyone who is not Islamic, the creation and support of terrorist entities, the suppression of free speech, women, minorities, gays. I could go on, but I think its enough. And no, I am not bigoted, racist, anti-Islam. I see things as they are, I see NO outrage at some of the most heinous things said and done. I see a group of people that seem to tacitly support the most fringe elements of their group. Your simple solution is to whitewash the problem and refer to the messenger, ME, as a racist, instead of looking at reality and realizing there are groups of people that want you dead because YOU are not Islamic, BTW, I am an athiest, and I cannto say the last sentence about any other religion other than Islam.
- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No, you are bigoted, racist and ignorant. Your outburst shows that to anyone who is rational. Religions generally teach peace. Ok, some facets of Islam are outdated and, in my view, wrong but you can not label an entire religion (with an estimated 1.4 billion adherents - which is about a fifth of the world's population) as being terrorists. That would be as bad as saying that all crime in the world is due to women or black people. It is simply ignorant and actually plain stupid.
The only way to solve problems is to understand them - simply saying 'your values and ideals are wrong, and you are all terrorists' isn't going to help - instead it will simply alienate people further.
I am starting to see that there are an awful lot of people on this site who seem to lack any sort of common sense, sense of morals, or ability to actually try and understand issues without reacting in a 'grab the pitchforks' manner... - ownon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What have you got against cooks?
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1You obviously didnt even read my comment. Not all muslims are terrorist, I never claim they were. They do ALLOW them to exist though. They support the fringe elements of their religion. They tacitly support them, that is something you cannot deny looking at facts. There is no outrage when a muslim beheads an American. There is no outrage when a muslim uses an IED and kills 50 Iraqis. How can you possibly dispute this. Oh thats right, you will call me racist, and anyone else who points out these FACTS.
"The only way to solve problems is to understand them"
Are you retarded? The only way to solve a problem is to understand them to death? So, we understand that in the Qur'an, it says to spread the religion and to bring death upon the infidels, but of course that gets brushed over by your types, saying to look at the religion teaching peace. So, we look at the peaceful things that come from the religion. Can you find me a SINGLE religion that has this many http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks attacks on civilians in ***** 120 days? - localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't know where you get the idea that they support their extremists. I am pretty sure that every terrorist attack committed by supposed Muslim's in the UK is denounced by our Muslim councils and their leaders. I'm pretty sure that various islamic countries came out and denounced the 9/11 attacks. Your wide and sweeping statement is simply wrong and is labelling 1.4 billion people as supporters of terrorism, which is a form of prejudice based on the bevahiour of the actions of a minority.
- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Wow, what a bigoted and ill informed rant. Maybe you should do some reading and find out what Islam actually teaches. Those muslims who kill are not true muslims, they are simply murderers. A christian who kills is a murderer. A person who thinks they are a follower of a faith who kills is simply a murderer.
- loganhid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8i wish i could digg this article a thousand times
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2So you are an irrational liberal retard? The article has nothing to do with terrorism, yet they have to bring race into it and always finger the USA as anti-_________ (fill in the blank).
- SouthsideIrish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9So, if you paranoid, and fear the government, and have weapons you are a terrorist. I guess all Libetarians are terrorists.
Militia's used to exist, prior to the civil war, but the Supreme Court has ruled that the state militia is the National Guard, so the ATF decided that anyone that stockpiles this many weapons must be a terrorist. - nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8""We classify these groups as violent and anti-government"
And what violent act did they commit? Gee ... none cited. Well, maybe they *might* be violent, if they had to defend themselves.
Sorry, being prepared to defend one's liberty does not make one a terrorist. - dmeyers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Could we stop with the crap from Crooks and Liars?
Honestly, they don't care about the crooks and the liars, as long as they aren't Republicans.
It's kinda sad that so many complain about Fox News (rightly) and then think that somehow sites like Crooks and Liars are O.K.- scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Feel free to promote your own right-wing stories/videos.
It just so happens that because of a whole list of *****, the Republican party isn't very popular right now. Give it another 8-12 years and the democratic majority will become corrupt enough that people will be fed up with them too. I doubt they'll ever be as unpopular as the current batch of Republicans though (because they probably won't start any wars that end in quagmires). - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2No parallel. CNL is trying to tell the truth. Fox is not.
- dmeyers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not what I'm saying.
I'm in no way a republican. Don't assume that because I don't like a completely partisan website that I'm for "the other side". I just think that making everything partisan is very very harmful. - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fair enough, but I think it's more productive to attack clips individually... believe it or not, sometimes fox is right (a broken clock is correct twice a day, eh?)
Dismissing them as partisan and removing them would remove 90% of all sites... welcome to the new media. - dmeyers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good point, I sorta like Neil Cavuto anyway
- scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Feel free to promote your own right-wing stories/videos.
- jabroni9900, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8In the words of the great Noam Chomsky:
"Terrorism is the bastardised child of American foreign policy and American corporate greed..." - p51d007, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Anyone besides me think that digg is slowly transforming into the democraticunderground.com or kos.com?
Geez, I get enough political fallout from the other sites.- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Jeez, from the looks of the frontpage stories, I thought it was crooksandliars.com. Could you IMAGINE, that many conservative blogs making the frontpage? There would be a gigantic investigation into who was gaming digg, but when the lies swing the other way into the loony left, its all A OK.
And as evidence, let all people criticizing the source get buried to hell. - Mikeeeee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2So leave you moron. Good riddance. go join a gang or something.
- jcm267, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1mikeeeee ... nice candor. I'd think you'd prefer actual divserity of opinion and a good forum for healthy debate. I hate partisan assholes
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People Digg these stories, not websites. There is no 'gaming the algorithm', you're seeing the true opinion of America's majority, and you sound a bit paranoid when you suggest that there's a conspiracy on Digg to descredit 'conservatives'.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Jeez, from the looks of the frontpage stories, I thought it was crooksandliars.com. Could you IMAGINE, that many conservative blogs making the frontpage? There would be a gigantic investigation into who was gaming digg, but when the lies swing the other way into the loony left, its all A OK.
- atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@
- shadowfox6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ jonnhygriswold you cant say Islam or any thing is bad unless you understand it which I can assume you dont nor did the "terrorists" who killed many innocent people in the name of Islam.
The truth is that they did something that Islam forbids, Islam means peace not crimes not wars.
you can only defend yourself ,the people you love or your country in the name of Islam, but you cant kill innocent people in the name of it.
I wish people would only understand what they talk about before pointing accusations at someone or something. Knowledge is power... - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2America, ***** Yeah!
http://www.oklahomacitybombing.com/oklahoma-city-bombing.html - knulpm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The thing is, these guys hadn't really "DONE" anything yet that we could declare them as anything.
"Investigators said the DeKalb County-based group had not made any specific threats or devised any plots, but was targeted for swift dismantling because of its heavy firepower"
They hadn't made any real threats or made any aggressive movements. In my mind, they could have easily holed up on someone's farm, dug some foxholes and bunkers and declared themselves a sovereign nation and dared the National Guard to come and stop them. That would NOT be an act of terrorism because they're not really "terrorizing" anyone.
Now, had they gone around pipebombing places, shooting up people and such until the government agrees to their demands, yes that IS terrorism as defined by their actions.
. - zurp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does EVERY city in Alabama end with "ville" ?!?
From the news article linked in the story:
"Arrested and detained in federal custody were Dillard, also known as Jeff Osborne, 46, of Collinsville; Adam Lynn Cunningham, 41, of Collinsville; Bonnell Hughes, 57, of Crossville; Randall Garrett Cole, 22, of Gadsden; James Ray McElroy, 20, of Collinsville; and Michael Wayne Bobo, 30, of Trussville." - TheKingOfHell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When did you first realize the land of the free is not the USA anymore?
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Jihad, Crusade, it all boils down to one group claiming mastery over life and death - blasphemous arrogance.
- squirble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I noticed that nowhere in the article did it state that the firearms possessed were illegal. Were these people arrested just for having a stockpile of weapons? I find that more disturbing than the fact that they have them in the first place.
- jmpeagle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2what did they do that was illegal? They never made any threats or anything. This is an abuse of government power.
- squirble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn Straigt!
- muffins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hey hey you you I don't like your girlfriend!
No way no way you should get a new one!
Wait what? Oh its stupid political semantics. I don't care...
HEY HEY I COULD BE YOUR GIRLFRIEND! - PainCompliance, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ilyag
Frankly, it doesn't matter why they do what they do, it's enough that they do it. You will drive yourself crazy trying to figure out 'why?' and you will never get a satisfactory answer. And while you are singing kumbya and trying to access the inner child of those poor, misunderstood jihadists, they are chanting "Allahu Akbar" and blowing something up or sawing someones head off. Oh, but it's not about religion, like hell it isn't!!!!
@atticus8
Is that the best you can come up with?? Good christ! Why do the wingnuts always run to the safety of "what about the crusades?" when this type of discussion comes up? For God's sake, find a new shtick will ya? That one's worn out. - stalepie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right for militias.
- AsylumAleikum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As one would expect, Crooks & Liars attempted to deceive the public. Terrorists are those who target civilians. Muslims routinely target civilians. The Alabama Free Militia did not. Most terrorists are Muslim. End of story.
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Most terrorists are Muslims, eh? You're just going to drop that stinking ***** out of your mouth and not try to qualify it?
***** you. - AsylumAleikum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OK, almost all terrorists are Muslim.
"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims. ... We cannot clear our names unless we own up to the shameful fact that terrorism has become an Islamic enterprise; an almost exclusive monopoly, implemented by Muslim men and women.'' -- Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, general manager of the al-Arabiya news channel.
***** yourself.
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Most terrorists are Muslims, eh? You're just going to drop that stinking ***** out of your mouth and not try to qualify it?
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