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- rcook18, on 01/05/2009, -8/+34Israel continues to heap shame upon itself.
- ezzonguard, on 01/05/2009, -5/+24They did the same in 2006 in Lebanon.
Horrific burns - joand315, on 01/05/2009, -6/+23There was a time, a long time ago, when I thought Zionists were heroes. They have thoroughly disabused me of that silly notion.
- Thinbev, on 01/05/2009, -4/+20Over 10,000 Israelis attended HUGE anti-war rally in Israel (1/3/09)
Here are two links that talk about the rally in Israel:
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/events/1231029 ...
http://anilnetto.com/uncategorized/huge-anti-war-p ... - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -5/+19They did it in Lebanon in 1982 as well.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -8/+21What next, mustard gas and XycloneB?
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -5/+16Methinks the arrogance of the Bush administration has dealt itself a death blow in the crediblility department. Certainly if they're backing up Israel in this fight, odds are -without even checking, Palestine is being tag teamed by two powerful and malevolent forces.
It may finally be catching up with these s.o.b.'s -I hope this is a trend that continues all the way to the Hague. - wjappe, on 01/05/2009, -5/+16I see nothing on digg for "condemn israel". They have gone beyond arrogance and their accomplices in the US government.
- whathappened, on 01/05/2009, -6/+16Crap, i meant "the times".
- lifeandtimes, on 01/05/2009, -0/+10It looks like WP air bursts to me. I was a Forward Observer for the US Army, and that's what the air bursts looked like.
The article is correct in that the Geneva conventions prohibit WP use against personnel. Of course, I wasn't an FO during any conflict, so, I have no experience with it during wartime. It is most definitely not any kind of illumination round we ever observed or fired (I am a Canon Crew Member now) during training. I saw plenty of illumination rounds in Iraq and they were all parachute flares. As a disclaimer, I'm assuming you meant illumination by "illum". Correct me if I'm wrong. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -3/+12They are terrorist because the US government say they are. Look at the Contras, trained in kidnapping, torture and terroristic methods at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia, they were "Freedom Fighters" Look at the Mujahadeem, trained by the CIA in the same techniques, armed and set loose on the Russians, they were "Freedom Fighters," until we wanted them gone, then they were the Taliban Terrorist and Al Quida.
Terrorists are against us, Freedom Fighters are on our side. - foopirata, on 01/06/2009, -3/+11"1. Phosphorus is a chemical"
So is water. It all depends on how it is used - it is not a "technicality", if white phosphorous is used as a chemical weapon, believe me, you'd hear more about it.
"2. They are incendiary due to their chemical nature."
Again - if it is not used as a white phosphorous _warhead_, they are not incendiary.
"3. There is no mechanism to ensure all the material is consumed before it hits the ground." - actually, there is. Pending quality problems (like impurities in the material), the fuse is set so that the dispersion of the material occurs high enough, so that all the material can burn. The smoke, being heavy, descends over a wide area masking the movement.
I don't need to "look at the photo". Many times it was enough for me to look up.
And oh, what a nice parting shot, "providing a convenient cover for the use of a terrorist weapon"...actually, it is great cover to move to closer contact to a terrorist hiding inside a civilian house, a school or a hospital. - alexkreuz, on 01/05/2009, -5/+13it must have been a time when you weren't paying attention then
- joshstone100, on 01/05/2009, -6/+14What's next is we need to stop funding this ethnic cleansing carnage with 8 million dollars of our money every day. We need to take to the streets in the millions and demand an end to this.
- MorganMghee, on 01/05/2009, -4/+11you can email them and ask them to change it for you.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -8/+15Hamas complied with the ceasefire for months while Israel NEVER did. Israel wanted this to happen, so they made it happen. End of Story.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -4/+11I see the Zionist bury brigade in on this one too. Come on now, I know that the victors write the history but htis one ain't over yet.
- joshstone100, on 01/05/2009, -6/+13They would never pick on someone their own size. They always go after the weaker country. It's the PNAC chicken hawk way. What better way to run a war profiteering scheme. They would never dare attack a nation that is equally armed to defend itself. A country that has capacity to really fight back and give them a run for their money. They call it war when in reality it's a duck shoot.
This isn't war. It's mass genocide upon defenseless nations. - lifeandtimes, on 01/05/2009, -2/+9Maybe he was trying to say that its not a chemical weapon as mustard gas or the like is usually defined as. As far as I know it is not grouped with chemical agents like that. I thought the title was a little misleading myself as I expected some kind of news of a chemical agent being used on people, like mustard gas. Just a thought.
- foopirata, on 01/05/2009, -9/+161. these are not chemical weapons
2. these are not white phosporous warheads, which are incendiary by nature
3. these explode in airburst mode high above the ground, and the burning materiel is consumed before it reaches the ground - that's where the thick smoke comes from
Criticize, but do try to base yourself in facts, not in fantasy. - joshstone100, on 01/05/2009, -3/+9Terrorist: Someone engaging in terrorist activities not approved by the government.
Freedom fighter: Someone engaging in terrorist activities that have been approved by the government.
If they do it it's terrorism, if we do it, it's fighting for freedom. - allowners, on 01/06/2009, -3/+8White phosphorus as a weapon
Its use by the US has resulted in considerable controversy (see white phosphorus use in Iraq). Initial field reports from Iraq referred to white phosphorus use against insurgents,[3] but its use was officially denied until November, 2005,[4] when the Pentagon admitted[5] to the use of white phosphorus while stating that its use for producing obscuring smoke is legal and does not violate the Chemical Weapons Convention.[6] A Pentagon spokesman has also admitted that WP "was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants", though not against civilians.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_(wea ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4442988. ... - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -5/+10Sorry, Israel invaded and kidnapped political officers of the PFLP and HAMAS movement all throughout last year. How is invading and kidnapping conpliance>?
- Surferess, on 01/05/2009, -3/+8Man, what a messy situation!
- yacinebouatrous, on 01/05/2009, -12/+17The zionists owned medias would want you to believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
They're NOT
Hamas is comparable to IRA, they did their best to stop the oppression of their people, using all means, how are they different??
Or is it because they're brown so they're terrorists??
Obviously people don't learn from history, every single colonised country used to be considered terrorist.
Palestinians Hamas or not Hamas are fighting against the invader, and don't give me that ***** "Palestine was never a country", so what if officially they weren't? does that mean you have the right to come along and oppress the natives (for more than 2000 years), killing them just for the ***** of it, and force them to leave their lands?
Call them terrorists all you want, but technically they aren't and every zionist soul knows it deep down...
If someone came to my homeland, started shooting my brothers, my comrades, i will not hesitate to fight back...
Anyone who thinks Israel wants peace is delusional, they never did, proof is they've been an outlaw since 60 years already, never respected a U.N resolution, never respected a E.U resolution, they've been hiding under the US shadow for always, if they really want peace, why not respect the Palestinian people? why not take off the settlements in the West Bank? why not take off the checkpoints?
Will you not fight if you were invaded and oppressed, treated as a sub-human?
Israel provoked the rise of extremism in Gaza (starving them made Hamas even more pppular, they aknowledged this but did nothing), 60 years and Peace talks didn't progress, nothing changed for Palestinians, except few settlers removed just to give the impression that there's progress, Israel succeded not in Peace, just in propaganda, that they did achieve perfectly
and the only argument zionists use is "what would do another country if they were attacked?" to that i say Israel is still occupying Palestine which doesn't make them a country yet but an occupying force. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -3/+7Yeah, they have built defensive settlements all over the West Bank.
- americangenius, on 01/05/2009, -1/+5but it's not phospherous
probably just regular old illum - kazz67, on 01/05/2009, -6/+10Also, it was Israel who broke the ceasefire, NOT Hamas.
Check your news sources NWO! - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -7/+11If taken in a vacuum then you are correct, sorry but things don't happen in a vacuum. In fact Hamas was complying with the cease fire even though Israel was keeping a horrible blockade on the free flow of goods and people.
The ceasefire was set to expire and Israel refused to renew with opening the borders. Stop being such a tool and read a little before you post this garbage. - clvngodess, on 01/06/2009, -1/+4They're also using a product that is an intended carcinogen, tungsten alloy. The weapons are DIME, Dense Inert Metal Explosives. These are intended not only to kill and maim but to have long term health devastation for those who manage to survive. Read about it here: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11636
This is genocide plain and clear. - allowners, on 01/06/2009, -3/+6No problem and, obviously, without press coverage there is no way to know how it is being used by Israel.
Foreign Journalists Are Still Not Allowed into Gaza.
http://digg.com/world_news/Foreign_Journalists_Are ...
And the IDF has already been exposed for committing other atrocities.
Israeli press reports cluster bombs being used in Gaza
http://digg.com/world_news/Israeli_press_reports_c ...
Further, on ABC news, there was an Israeli spokesman, sorry I didn't catch his name, who claimed the whole purpose of the Israeli attack was to terrorize the citizens of Gaza.
So, I will grant you, that if you can control the media, you can spin just about any fantasy you like, except for the leaks around the edges. I'm glad that's all cleared up. - foopirata, on 01/06/2009, -4/+7Thanks for confirming my position: "using WP _AS_A_WEAPON_".
I repeat: as a weapon.
You can use WP as a weapon, or in the case of Israel, as a smokescreen.
When used as a weapon, the effects are quite different. And quite devastating, or so I was told. - hillkiwi, on 01/06/2009, -1/+3Does anyone know what that song is in the background?
Also, if 9/11 was an inside job - wouldn't it have been easier to say Iraq was behind it? Sure would have got a lot more support... - MediaWeasel, on 01/05/2009, -5/+7Qyote: "However, Charles Heyman, a military expert and former major in the British Army, said: “If white phosphorus was deliberately fired at a crowd of people someone would end up in The Hague. White phosphorus is also a terror weapon. The descending blobs of phosphorus will burn when in contact with skin.”
Hard not to miss large groups of people in Gaza, wouldn't you say? Seeing they're all crammed in like sardines .. unable to escape without danger.
(Incidentally - tiny point but this isn't from the Guardian but the Times ..) - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -3/+5And the Times is Crap..
- codpiece23, on 01/05/2009, -3/+5That is a vast understatement.
- martalli, on 01/06/2009, -1/+3@jaybee1973 - Yes, 1967 is relevant. It is relevant that most of the people in Gaza were born after 1967. The median age in Gaza is about 17 years old (CIA factbook), and so it is a generation away for those folks. You want to be on a footing with the Palestinians as if it will always be 1967, but you have missed out on the opportunity to integrate the new population and give them the vote. Now, with arbitrary control from Israel, now vote and few opportunities, is it any wonder that they people finally ended up voting for a group like Hamas, and that Hamas cannot completely control what is going on in Gaza?
- joand315, on 01/06/2009, -2/+4I wasn't.
- martalli, on 01/06/2009, -2/+4Yes, maybe you're right. Kill on.
- allowners, on 01/06/2009, -4/+6Actually it is categorized as a chemical weapon but, on an artificial technicality, that if it is used for a smokescreen, it is then reclassified on that basis alone.
White phosphorus results in painful chemical burn injuries. The resultant burn typically appears as a necrotic area with a yellowish color and characteristic garliclike odor. White phosphorus is highly lipid soluble and as such, is believed to have rapid dermal penetration once particles are embedded under the skin. Because of its enhanced lipid solubility, many have believed that these injuries result in delayed wound healing. This has not been well studied; therefore, all that can be stated is that white phosphorus burns represent a small subsegment of chemical burns, all of which typically result in delayed wound healing.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/mun ...
http://teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/07/14/white-phosphor ... - COINTELPROAgent, on 01/06/2009, -2/+4Josh, can you tell me where MilkIsChillin went? I seem to have misplaced him.
- allowners, on 01/06/2009, -3/+5The US eventually admitted to using WP as a weapon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440664.stm
And with the press prevented from covering what is happening, we are once again left with only the word of the military aggressor, certainly not the most reliable source.
WP - the arguments
So WP itself is not a chemical weapon and therefore not illegal. However, used in a certain way, it might become one. Not that "a certain way" can easily be defined, if at all.
The US can say therefore that this is not a chemical weapon and further, it argues that it is not the toxic properties but the heat from WP which causes the damage. And, this argument goes, since incendiary weapons are not covered by the CWC, therefore the use of WP against combatants is not prohibited.
Critics claim that the US used chemical weapons in Falluja, on the grounds that it is the toxic properties which cause the harm. The UK's Guardian newspaper for example said: "The US used chemical weapons in Iraq - and then lied about it."
There is an intense debate on the blog sites about this issue. "It's not a chemical weapon" says Liberal Against Terror. "CONFIRMED: WP is a CW if used to cause harm through toxic properties," says Daily Kos.
Update 22 November: I have received an e-mail from a reader who points me to a reported US army document from 1991 which refers to WP as a chemical weapon. The document reports the possible use of WP by Iraq against the Kurds who rose up after the Gulf War. It says: "Iraq has possibly employed phosphorous chemical weapons against the Kurdish population."
The reader said this was proof that the US viewed WP as a CW.
I have also been contacted by Gabriele Zamparini of the Cat's Dream blog who appears to have published this document first. He makes the same point that the US Defense Department itself called WP a "chemical weapon." I offer these comments as part of the debate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4442988.stm - jaybee1973, on 01/06/2009, -1/+3I found this interesting: "and the only argument zionists use is "what would do another country if they were attacked?" to that i say Israel is still occupying Palestine which doesn't make them a country yet but an occupying force."
What were they before they were an occupying force? - COINTELPROAgent, on 01/06/2009, -4/+6Holy crap, he just got deleted and banned. It's a conspiracy against me for asking questions, I tells ya! Which one of you wascally Pro-Zionists banned him to hide the truth from me???
- NoLibertarians, on 01/06/2009, -4/+6Digg abuse must be working overtime..Lots of hatred on Digg since this conflict started !
- allowners, on 01/05/2009, -7/+81. Phosphorus is a chemical
2. They are incendiary due to their chemical nature.
3. There is no mechanism to ensure all the material is consumed before it hits the ground. In fact, it would be unlikely that much smoke would be produced on the ground if it did burn up before hitting the ground. Smoke is produced only while it burns, providing a convenient cover for the use of a terrorist weapon. Look at the photo, the material still burns approaching ground level. - Chestnutridge, on 01/06/2009, -6/+7Nonsense! You wrote :"Palestinians, who want nothing more than their freedom to live their lives like everyone else" which is not true. The Hamas organization (which the people of Gaza have elected as their leaders) demands the total destruction of Israel.
While I am not usually a defender of Israel, I don't have any illusions about the Islamist Hamas terrorists either. -
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