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- SheilaNoya, on 07/20/2008, -8/+86Is this like when we supposedly "mistranslated" Osama bin Laden?
We were all sure that Osama bin Laden stated that we were attacked on 9/11 because of the U.S. military bases on Muslim Holy Land (Saudi Arabia), and our biased support for anything Israel demanded. Then the Bush Administration corrected us and told us the real translation was that "they hate us for our freedom". - skertso, on 07/20/2008, -9/+66U.S. Central Command speaks for Maliki now? Scary indeed.
- mousers1968, on 07/20/2008, -8/+44It is scary. I thought Maliki was an elected official that speaks for the people of Iraq.
- wvkossacks, on 07/20/2008, -5/+31The heart of Malaki's stated concerns is recognition of Iraqi sovereignty.
Having an Iraqi govt. spokesperson speak through CENTCOM tells you everything you need to know about the Bush administration opinion of Malaki's demands. - mousers1968, on 07/20/2008, -6/+27Something like that. I think we as Americans have learned a very valuable lesson about tyranny
- mousers1968, on 07/20/2008, -5/+24http://www.nytimes.com/membercenter/formh.html?scp ...
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3303518/
http://www.washpost.com/news_ed/news/contact_news. ...
Here are a few contacts that everyone should be familiar with. Send these people a couple of letters and send the letters to your friends to tell them to stop lying about this event. They are trying to mislead the public and we will not stand for it anymore. - mousers1968, on 07/20/2008, -2/+20Maybe they already have been. Military industrial complex.
- MiddleAmerica, on 07/20/2008, -4/+22This is clearly Republicans covering their asses with BS lies, again.
CENTCOM fired all non-Bush loyalists in March, 1100 of them, ONE-THIRD of their staff in their largest cut in history. This was at the same time they pushed Admiral Fallon out for blocking an Iran attack.
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/13/Hillsborough/Cen ...
- Mard, on 07/20/2008, -2/+19He was the democratically elected leader of Iraq, until he decided to sing a tune the White House didn't fancy. When will these Middle Eastern Islamo-fascist terrorist dictators learn?!?!
- AxmxZ, on 07/20/2008, -6/+22PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE PUPPET.
- barbara255, on 07/20/2008, -7/+23No doubt only Centcom can fully understand what the Iraqi government means.
Talk about pathetic! - mjrosenberg, on 07/20/2008, -6/+20Via Talkingpointsmemo.com
Burying the Lede
Todd Gitlin notes the major papers' rather reticent response to al Maliki's Der Spiegel interview.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/19/ma ...
Todd wrote about three hours ago. As of just before midnight, as far as I can tell, the Post relegates the story to two paragraphs near the top of the paper's story about Obama's trip to Afghanistan. The article returns to the topic and provides some elaboration at the end. The Times gives the story almost the identical treatment -- a short reference below the lede and returned to at the end of the piece.
The most credulous take I've seen so far is CNN's which all but takes al Dabbagh's 'translation error' explanation at face value.
Let me know what write-ups you're seeing.
Late Update: I'm not sure precisely what it 'means'. But in scanning around the major news sites I'm noticing that the better coverage of this story seems to be in the big papers' blogs rather than in their front page stories -- most of which are now out on the websites.
--Josh Marshall
Drudge treating this Centcom message as Maliki's dispute with Obama's plan, which is the way he falsely headlines it. MSM will follow as usual... - marabout40, on 07/20/2008, -3/+15Der Spiegel stands by it's report of the interview:
In an interview with SPIEGEL, Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki expressed support for Obama's troop withdrawal plans. Despite a half-hearted retraction, the comments have stirred up the US presidential campaign. SPIEGEL stands by its version of the conversation....
In the interview, Maliki expressed support of Obama's plan to withdraw US troops from Iraq within 16 months. "That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of changes."
Maliki was quick to back away from an outright endorsement of Obama, saying "who they choose as their president is the Americans' business." But he then went on to say: "But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited."
A Baghdad government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said in a statement that SPIEGEL had "misunderstood and mistranslated" the Iraqi prime minister, but didn't point to where the misunderstanding or mistranslation might have occurred. Al-Dabbagh said Maliki's comments "should not be understood as support to any US presidential candidates." The statement was sent out by the press desk of the US-led Multinational Force in Iraq.
A number of media outlets likewise professed to being confused by the statement from Maliki's office. The New York Times pointed out that al-Dabbagh's statement "did not address a specific error." CBS likewise expressed disbelief pointing out that Maliki mentions a timeframe for withdrawal three times in the interview and then asks, "how likely is it that SPIEGEL mistranslated three separate comments? The Atlantic Monthly was astonished by "how little effort was made" to make the Baghdad denial convincing. And the influential blog IraqSlogger also pointed out the lack of specifics in the government statement.
SPIEGEL sticks to its version of the conversation.
Maliki's comments immediately hit the headlines of US papers and Web sites across the country, partly the result of a White House employee inadvertently sending out a news alert to its full media distribution list. The White House said it was an error and that it was meant to be sent internally only.
They've posted a transcript of the interview on their website: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,5 ... - Geronim00t, on 07/20/2008, -10/+22this is *****! they will get away with it no doubt, the corporate media just turns a blind eye as per usual. Still it's looking like an all around good week for OBAMA!
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+12Obama is way way way better than bush/cheney, those fools lie cheat and steal.
we need Obama, somone who is willing to use diplomacy instead of bullying tactics. - motivatedmama, on 07/20/2008, -3/+15Not everyone sees through this. When your misguided right wing acquaintances bring it up:
Maliki wants the U.S. gone.
Maliki agreed with Obama, Not McCain.
Any "retraction" of Maliki statement is false.
Der Spiegel firmly backs the information and it's interview.
I'll be watching to see how this plays out in the MSM. - JTML, on 07/20/2008, -7/+18Scary? Wait until CentComm begins speaking for the White House....
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -7/+18Bush is a terrorist and should be hung.
- radio4fan, on 07/20/2008, -1/+12He is.
Signed,
Laura Bush - jnorris441, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10He literally COULD NOT do any worse than George Bush.
- notoneofus, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9I'm guessing that Obama has spent far longer in politics than you have, making you the neophyte by that definition. But it's a stupid definition, since political "experience" is questionable at best, undesirable at worst. So many Obama critics rip him for not having enough experience, then turn around and blast him for being just another career politician. So, which is it?
McCain hasn't run the country, neither has Obama. Neither of them have "experience" at it. But Obama's one hell of a lot smarter than McCain, and I'm tired of idiots running my country.
Perhaps you should keep *your* mouth shut. Or, perhaps everyone is entitled to say and do what the ***** they believe is right. - SatoriSeeker, on 07/20/2008, -1/+10The revolution will not be televised.
Because the mainstream media's piss-on-me-and-tell-me-its-raining version of 'reality' is part of what we will be rebelling against. - kingUssop, on 07/20/2008, -3/+10Uh oh spaghettio! We're starting to look like imperialists, and we would never do anything like that right? Not the country of manifest destiny.
- BobScratchit, on 07/20/2008, -1/+8We will never learn. Just obey and believe what we are told as the gospel.
- SatoriSeeker, on 07/20/2008, -0/+7Since "We" own it... please let me know when you receive your first cut of the profits. Right now you're simply paying for the War with an extra 10% in taxes every year called inflation. This has happened COUNTLESS times since history has been recorded, whenever a government has been able to wage war by printing money out of thin air then guess what happens to the value of all the existing money used by it's people? It goes DOWN DOWN DOWN
- SatoriSeeker, on 07/20/2008, -1/+7You're an idiot.
- superkendall, on 07/20/2008, -2/+7Progress in iraq must be pretty good if the Iraqis think it's possibly safe for us to leave in 16 months.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+5lol @ your desperation.
- kingUssop, on 07/20/2008, -0/+5Exactly. It's too late.
- rewinn, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5Sovreignty (n): obedience to the occupying party.
Any questions? - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5So what is the "correct" interpretation of the following phrase:
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," - hugolp, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5Yes, it was elected by the White House.
- cesig, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5Prosecutions begin Feb 1? You must know something nobody else does.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -2/+5"the rest of us should just shut up " --dd12101,
well at lest you should shut up, we the rest of the world thankyou. - imgstacke, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3PROPAGANDA
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -1/+4"maliki has to say he wants the US gone because he wants to get RE-ELECTED."
OH NOES HOW DID WE LET IRAQ BECOME A DEMOCRACY THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS. - pintomp3, on 07/20/2008, -3/+6he's just a pawn in the game.
- securitymonkey, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3Wait until SkyNet starts speaking for CENTCOM.
- halfdirt, on 07/20/2008, -1/+4This one isn't so biased, actually. I was surprised.
- mousers1968, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3It might be a good idea to read all of the articles because having the US military speak for a so-called democratic society is bad for any political stripe. The point that all of this hoopla is over is the fact that Maliki has asked us to set a timetable to leave. You need to ask yourself, if we were occupied by another country, to set up a new democracy, and we asked the occupiers to leave and they did not.... how would you feel? It is not okay that we are making decisions for a democratic society.
- BarneyF, on 07/20/2008, -6/+8Maliki does need to make it clear that he is not endorsing any candidate. But I think he did in the interview.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -4/+6maliki has to say he wants the US gone because he wants to get RE-ELECTED. he knows his country isnt in any shape to protect itself but saying they still need our help isnt an option. even reporters on NPR are saying the iraqi commanders want the US troops as backup incase the ***** hits the fan.
- rearlgrant, on 07/20/2008, -1/+3I'm sure you were saying that when Republicans were complaining about Clinton's "private army of black helicopters."
What WMD will Republicans fabricate about the next non-Republican in the White House?
You will be there debating the fallacy of such fear-mongering, right? - rearlgrant, on 07/20/2008, -1/+3I'm sure you'll feel differently when an opposition party controls the White House, right?
- rearlgrant, on 07/20/2008, -1/+3You could actually read the sources linked on the page, and post different sources if you know of any.
But stopping at claiming bias is a good indication of why you couldn't read the sources. - thejimmyo, on 07/20/2008, -1/+3Der Speigel stands by their translation 100%:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,5 ...
You can read the full text yourself here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,5 ... - thejimmyo, on 07/20/2008, -0/+2Der Speigel has posted the full interview here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,5 ...
Digg it here:
http://digg.com/world_news/SPIEGEL_Interview_with_ ... - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+1So this correction from CENTROM was directed at U.S. audiences or Iraqi? Sounds like a big ***** you to them both, and just remember CENTROM might take it's own citizens as fools but the iraqi people are seen as expendable ones. Think of that the next time you hear about the resistance movements in Iraq. This is an illegal occupation to defend our Rogue governments infinite budget (the dollar) not about fighting for freedom and democracy.
- daiichi, on 07/20/2008, -1/+2"We will never learn. Just obey and believe what we are told as the gospel"
I wholeheartedly agree--er, but, um, which article are you talking about, the Der Spiegel one? Or the CNN "mistranslation" one? It's hard to tell from the data which source (if any) is telling the truth.
It's almost to a point where you shouldn't trust anything you haven't seen for yourself. Welcome to the 21st Century Society-As-We-Know-It. -
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