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- marabout40, on 07/19/2008, -8/+84Bush thinks we're stupid. It's not a timeline/timetable, it's a time "horizon." Give me a break. No one wants to play his silly word games. Let's just get on with it. This is an illegal war. We've lost over 4,100 young lives. Spent near $1 trillion. Displaced 4 million Iraqis. Killed God knows how many. Our economy is in shambles. We're borrowing unprecedented amounts of money from China, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and God only knows where else to fund this illegal war. Iraqis want us out.
Stop playing games Bush. Do something that MIGHT help redeem your 8 years of complete and utter failure as POTUS, and just tell Americans the truth - for once! - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -5/+57This is good news
- marabout40, on 07/19/2008, -9/+46When asked whether this means that he prefers Obama's 16 months plan to McCain's 100 year plan, Maliki was rather blunt:
"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems." - alapoet, on 07/19/2008, -6/+39The Republicans are going to have a hell of a time trying to talk their way out of this one.
Is Maliki's government our ally, or not? Yes? Well, then why don't we listen to him and get the hell out of his country? - RickHavoc, on 07/19/2008, -6/+33In other news Malaki has suddenly appeared on the terrorist watch list.
- motivatedmama, on 07/19/2008, -8/+35And you can walk toward the horizon and never reach it. Nice choice of words Bushies.
But man you gotta love Obama being vindicated in almost every area of foreign policy in the last 2 weeks.
First: Negotiations with Iran.
Second: McCain acknowledges that we need more troops in Afghanistan.
Third: Maliki apparently likes what Barack is proposing more than anything BushCo. has had to offer.
I'm sure there's more. Feel free to enlighten me.
Of course you know Bush isn't gonna let up until he has some agreement from the PM that we can lay our grubby hands on their oil. I hope like hell they give Bush a boot in the rear and close the door. We have no right to it, we should be switching to alternatives anyway and any deal would be sure to benefit Bush's oil interests long before we saw any relief. Let's come home already! - audaciousgenre, on 07/19/2008, -3/+29hey guys, just because we're setting up a democracy over there doesn't mean they get to vote people into office and actually run their country or anything
- SheilaNoya, on 07/19/2008, -4/+26The Bush/McCain twins are finding it harder and harder to make new excuses for staying in Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if our new "talks" with Iran suddenly broke down and Bush manufactures some sort of military conflict with them.
All Bush/McCain have left to offer is more FEAR. Without their scare tactics, they have nothing left. - Actionmac1, on 07/19/2008, -1/+17you forget # one, when Obama spoke about going into Pakistan if Mushariff would not or could not get Osama Bin Laden. bush and mcsad criticized him and about a 2-3 weeks later the US did just what Obama said and killed a high ranking al caida terrorist.
It seems more and more that bush and mcsad continue to FOLLOW Obama on foreign affairs and only lead in attacking the position before following. - MurphyWatson, on 07/19/2008, -2/+16Time horizon? Its just politics, they wouldn't want to admit that they were wrong for the past 5 years.
- phillykid162, on 07/19/2008, -7/+19I think that this is the best endorsement Barack Obama has received. I don't think McCain can argue that al-Maliki hasn't "spent enough time on the ground."
- osabek, on 07/19/2008, -2/+14Bush/McCain: "If Iraq says leave, we'll leave."
Well Iraq has spoken. It will be interesting to see how Bush and McSame will wiggle their way out of this one.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/24/politics ... - Actionmac1, on 07/19/2008, -2/+14"Stop playing games Bush. Do something that MIGHT help redeem your 8 years of complete and utter failure as POTUS"
RESIGN and take the heart patient with you, then both proceed straight to JAIL! - motivatedmama, on 07/19/2008, -1/+12Yes sir! I forgot that one. And the right wing talking heads have yet to stifle their hypocrisy in berating Obama for "threatening to bomb Pakistan".
Bush should just hand over the keys now. - marabout40, on 07/19/2008, -1/+11As Keith Olbermann said on Countdown a couple nights ago, (paraphrasing), Hey Mr. Bush, if you want to let Senator Obama run your foreign policy for the next 6 months 3 days, the rest of us would be quite happy with that.
- dBass, on 07/19/2008, -4/+13As Obama noted recently, I paraphrase: "When violence in Iraq was up, we couldn't leave, when violence is down we can't leave".
The surge was a tactic to lower violence in the short term to afford an environment for political reconciliation to create long term peace. Now that our brave soldiers have done their job, how much closer are we to ending the civil war in Iraq? What is happening on the political front George W.? - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -4/+12I love this quote from Maliki, which undercuts McCain's whole Iraq policy.
"So far the Americans have had trouble agreeing to a concrete timetable for withdrawal, because they feel it would appear tantamount to an admission of defeat," Maliki told SPIEGEL. "But that isn't the case at all. If we come to an agreement, it is not evidence of a defeat, but of a victory, of a severe blow we have inflicted on al-Qaida and the militias." - Ajajadude, on 07/19/2008, -2/+9Unfortunately, the majority of people who vote in this country are morons and will take any half-assed explanation to be the word of God.
- Gregbertt, on 07/20/2008, -0/+6http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/19/almaliki ...
"But a spokesman for al-Maliki said his remarks "were misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately."
Just sayin' - Diran, on 07/20/2008, -1/+7Actually this claim is false.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/20/iraq-pm-no ... - wacomwacoff, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6It doesn't take a Mensa member to know that we're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place for the wrong reasons and need to pull out.
- Sil369, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6But!! But!! the Oil! Will somebody please think of the Oil !
- iizh, on 07/20/2008, -1/+6http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/20/conte ...
Iraqi PM denies backing Obama's withdrawal plan
BAGHDAD, July 20 (Xinhua) -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki denied that he has released statements backing a plan of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama which sets a timeframe for possible U.S. troops withdrawal from Iraq, the government's spokesman said on Sunday.
Ali al-Dabbagh said in a statement that Maliki's statements to German magazine Der Spiegel "have been misunderstood and mistranslated and were not conveyed accurately regarding the vision of Senator Barack Obama on the timeframe for U.S. forces withdrawal from Iraq."
Dabbagh explained that Maliki backs an Iraqi vision of pulling U.S. troops based on Iraq's security needs and on talks with Washington, the statement said.
On Saturday, Der Spiegel released an article, quoting Maliki as supporting Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should withdraw from Iraq within 16 months.
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," the German magazine quoted Maliki as saying.
Dabbagh highlighted that statements made by any member of the Iraqi government, including Maliki, should not be understood as showing support to any U.S. presidential candidate.
Obama is now visiting Afghanistan and is expected to visit Iraq soon as part of his first overseas tour since securing the democratic nomination. He is scheduled to travel to Europe within next week. - overridemymind, on 07/20/2008, -0/+5Therefore, so too, will diggers continue to bury you.
- sizzzzlerz, on 07/19/2008, -2/+7Come on, bush apologists, spin this. We're all waiting to hear how this supports McSame's "100 years in Iraq" plan.
- marabout40, on 07/20/2008, -3/+8And if that isn't bad enough, there's more bad news for republicans:
Nevada GOP state convention CANCELED due to a lack of interest http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/19/195136/650 ...
Republicans Lose 1 Million Registered Voters; And the Democrats gain 700,000. http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Republicans_Lose ... - JoeVet, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5Is this the best come back the GOP have.....continue to ignore reality and try to blame Obama for their mess? Can't wait for the debates! Its going to be quite entertaining.
- SheilaNoya, on 07/19/2008, -2/+6FelixA9 - Please tell us you're not really that dumb.
Obama has always said he would immediately change the mission to begin our exit strategy. The strategy is to pull 1 to 2 brigades out every month and have all combat troops out within 16 months. Despite the lies and distortions from the right wingers, Obama NEVER said he would immediately yank all of the troops out of Iraq.
"We need to be just as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless going into Iraq"
- Barack Obama - peaceninja, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5Bush has announced a "withdrawal horizon" and that is definitely not a "withdrawal timeline" according to him. that's such bull, why is it so hard to say "the americans will pull out of iraq within two years after these conditions have been met"?
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+4the funny thing about the horizon is that no matter how much you walk towards it, you can never get there.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5I believe that would be Pakistan. But the soldiers must go in without ammo and with flowers stuck in their gun barrels in order not to have an unfair advantage over the disadvantaged terrorists.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -1/+4Sadly, more Americans think that senile McINSANE will better on foreign policy.
- RickHavoc, on 07/20/2008, -2/+5Boss: Can you give me a timetable for when you'll be done with the project?
Me: No but I can give you a horizon.
Boss: WTF does that mean?
Me: Hell if I know. Want some bottled hot water? - mrsteveman1, on 07/20/2008, -2/+5There have been reports that the insurgents were being paid by the government not to fight, so there is at least some reason to believe the surge wasn't responsible for what is happening right now.
- Micktion, on 07/20/2008, -1/+4What a load of malaki!
- BossKey, on 07/20/2008, -4/+7Who is this "Prince Hussein" you clueless right-wingers keep going on about?
The only "Prince Hussein" I know about is related to King Hussein of Jordan, close ally of the United States. His country doesn't have any troops in Iraq as far as I know. Are you accusing valuable US allies of flip-flopping?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_of_Jordan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -1/+4You're right. What possible good could from providing training assistance and maintaining a diplomatic presence in a country we invaded and occupied for 5+ years?
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -6/+9Good news? How is McCains idea any different? Once Iraq is stable, leave. That is the McCain plan. The Obama plan is get the ***** out who cares. Now the Prime Minister of Iraq says that he believes around 16 months should be enough time for him to make Iraq safe enough for Americans too leave. How is this possible? The surge. The surge cough you all laughed at. The surge Obama denounced. The surge that will make a peaceful exit possible in 16 months. Well at least in theory. The fact is things are improving and now Obama doesn't have the usual Bush/war pitch to sell. Even this prime minister thinks things are improving. And who is responsible for this? Let me give you a hint. Not Obama. So Obama loses his pitch line and McCain really loses nothing. His surge, his stable Iraq are emerging triumphant. But yeah lets thank "lets get the ***** out Iraq can ***** itself not even president when thngs are improving in Iraq to the point the Prime Minister says he will have stability in 16 months" Obama. Not.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3Because he specifies a date at which the troops will be gone, aside from those who stay.
"I'll be moving out of the basement sunday, I'll just come by and sleep and eat here for a few years after." - Tyrghast, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3You have a very limited understanding of how we influence other countries if you don't think an embassy is a big deal. They are the hub through which politically sensitive information flows, and it's from that hub that this government will try to influence and control the new Iraq.
- tidu, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3Have you even read up on the embassy we built there?
- charm803, on 07/20/2008, -3/+6I should remind you that we created a lot of the violence you see in Iraq now.
Iraq was never a threat to the US. Saddam was a threat to HIS PEOPLE.
But if you want to see how unfair this is, is there a reason why we aren't invading Zimbabwe? Mugabe is right up there with Saddam, yet we do nothing. - RickHavoc, on 07/20/2008, -2/+5You're wrong, amightywind. Obama has consistently said he'd withdraw 1 to 2 brigades a month which means a 16 month time table.
- sjm20k, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3the only actual deficiency you've "highlighted" is his lack of experience - the rest of his "deficiencies" you've highlighted are plucked from radical propaganda, pure speculation, racism, and name-calling.
i realize its impossible to be objective, but your about as far from it as you can get without dropping a pint glass of LSD. - CrackyJSquirrel, on 07/20/2008, -3/+6He is going to invade our hearts if we are lucky..
- HerbertWest, on 07/20/2008, -1/+4Yawn
This is part of bucking up Iraq's government, it's designed to make it look like he is "telling" us to leave. Hence making himself look like a strong leader and signaling that the country is strong enough to take care of itself. (There is a lot more to say here but I'm tired:P)
Perception is everything. Most of the time the news is what they want you to "think," not really the news at all.
There has always been a time table and it ends January 20th 2009.
Do you think that Bush is going to let somebody else walk into the White House and claim that we won the war because of what they did?
lol - mrsteveman1, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3If you want to talk oil, Iran is a much bigger threat to the supply of oil than Iraq ever was, even before Bush became president. It's quite clear that Bush (or P.N.A.C) wanted to invade Iraq specifically and keep us there for a length of time. Every reason given for the war in Iraq applies equally well and in some cases better to other countries we DIDN'T invade.
Genocide - large parts of Africa
Oil - Iran and a few others
Freedom - Lots of countries oppress their people, Iraq probably wasn't even the worst offender
WMDs - Russia has ***** of nukes that probably aren't even all accounted for, and they aren't exactly friendly to the U.S either. Iran and North Korea both have nuclear programs, NK actually fizzled a bomb 2 years ago, so they are even making noise, something Iraq never did in the nuclear sense. - charm803, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3You forgot to remind them that it is also a third world country who is kicking our butts with their home made bombs.
Aren't we supposed to have the strongest military, yet we haven't accomplished anything but raise violence since we got there?! -
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