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Iraq war boss says US draft 'worth considering'

abc.net.au — The top US military officer in charge of coordinating the war effort in Iraq says that it makes sense to consider a return of the draft to meet the military's needs.

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  • thedarkrabbit, on 10/10/2007, -3/+40"I think it makes sense to certainly consider it and I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table."

    Can you say WHAT A BAD IDEA!!!!!??!!?!
    • mikelieman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13What will the selective service administration do when they induct an Out Homosexual?

      You DRAFTED THEM. You can't just say, "Oh, you're gay, go home...."

    • fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -9/+10Can you say YESTERDAY'S NEWS!!??!?!!!!

      http://digg.com/world_news/Yeee_haw_Here_comes_the_draft
      1646 diggs, 512 comments, made popular just 12 hours before this was submitted.
      • mikelieman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow.... Hell, it's August... See you here next Saturday!

      • redxii, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I would have never clicked something with a title like that. All I see in the RSS bookmark is the title.
        • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2Perhaps then, you need a better RSS reader!
    • Konrad9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13As I said in that posting.
      If we have an enemy a la Nazi Germany, sign me the ***** up.
      If we're going to get oil, I'm going to Canada.
    • caferrell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Darkrabbit, the best way to get the lying buttsucking politicians to end this war is to reinstate the draft, or at least get close to it. Americans have not sacrificed a thing for this war. Bush told us that if we wanted to help the cause we should go shopping for God's sake! People really don't give a damn and the war makes good entertainment.
      Until it looks like Junior might get drafted and sent to Iraq to lose his eyesight to a roadside bomb the great majority will not put down the TV remote, struggle up out of the barcalounger and call their Congressman.
      Hey, reinstate the draft tomorrow! http://reasontraditionandliberty.blogspot.com/2007/08/our-volunteer-army-is-terrible-danger.html
    • bluezinc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yeah, this would be REALLY popular. Starting a draft for this war at this stage is political suicide for anyone and everyone involved. If you really, really hate your career in politics, then sign on to this policy and be relieved of your position.
    • Freegrout, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I don't see why people are getting so worked up about this, Bush has said he wouldn't support it. It's a non-story.
    • jekylltech, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Can somebody please tell me what LAW GW Bush Broke?
      I want an actual law, with a source, not just a reply of 'he's a douchbag'. I am NOT a supporter of Bush, but I want to know why there is thus push to impeach.
      PS: Bush did not lie about Iraq, he believed bad intel from the CIA and MI6, so he is gullible, but a liar.
      • corneliusJones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1His lying isn't nearly as bad as his incompetence.
    • krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -1/+1first. i don't support bush

      the dems who keep crying about the bush admin keep saying that he's channeling money into the mercenary forces - the guys in the black BDUs - because the mercs can legally do things that US troops cannot. the dems say that this is done with no bid contracts. okay - i'll accept that all... i have a few friends who've been to iraq and they can even vouch for that stuff. however, when the dems argue that the reps want a draft, that makes no sense. if the reps get a draft, they have less money to put into no bid contracts for their friends at halliburton and the merc firms. the reps even say they don't want a draft.

      and my father, a colonel in the marine corps says that in todays warfare, a draft is retarded. the military leaders don't want untrained, unwilling soldiers picking up weapons. the soldiers don't want to have to rely on some weakling in their squad who isn't there willingly.

      stop this draft fud. it's stupid and makes no sense.
      /rant
  • chase001, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15I would say how could we possibly draft people for to maintain an occupation, but we've done it before.
    • joshshu, on 10/10/2007, -7/+21Try to draft me. Will see if you wanna give me any ammunition.
  • chase001, on 10/10/2007, -6/+42If this doesn't get people in the street protesting in droves we might as well abolish Congress and the Constitution and give President Bush/Cheney the Fascist Dictatorship/Unitary Executive that he wants.
    • Vicujozobenaxod, on 10/10/2007, -21/+4And what happens if thousands of people step up without a fight, and do their duty? What will happen to your little protest parade party then? Of course, there is a chance you could be in Iraq. You could try to get your protest working over there. Not quite sure how your commanding officer would react to that though.
      • Jambi, on 10/10/2007, -6/+25Their duty? Meaning fight a war so that Mister Spoiled Little Rich Boy and his sidekick Darth Vader can continue playing at nation building while their cronies lap up money by setting up consulting companies in Iraq and hiring on mercenaries to protect their business interests? Jesus Christ, I've met some idiots in my time, but you take the cake, sir.
      • wazzledoozle2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14If you were told by an authority figure that getting ***** in the ass was your duty to your country; you would ask where and when wouldn't you?

        The concept of obeying authority without question is as un-american as you can get.
        • darienphoenix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Exactly. You people need to remember what the hell you created your country for in the first place. You said "**** YOU" to the British, but now you'll bend over for any authority figure who waves an American flag and tells you it's your duty.
    • Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -17/+4Oh shut the ***** up. The administration has almost zero chance of instituting a draft.

      And what the hell are you doing. Stop acting like a ***** hippie when your fat ass is at the computer desk and then not doin ***** in real life: and just grow up and accept the fact that the government is not the evil empire you want so badly for it to be

      • mikeyv33, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3finally! i hate all these people complaining about ***** all the time and trying to build up all these conspiracies. a draft will never happen so people just need to shut the ***** up
      • Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10And your name is?

        Just curious so I can tell you later when we're in boot camp..."Told you so!!!"
    • shabumike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you mean the President Bush/Cheney the Fascist Dictatorship/Unitary Executive thats already there?
  • tehpwnerofn00bs, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13Hey Mr. Lute, consider this!! [obscene gesture]
    • Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Dont worry- there is virtually no chance..
      • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Thats what people said about Bush getting a 2nd term.
  • Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25Of course it's on the table, even if Petraeus comes back and sings that the surge is doing wonderful things in Iraq (which he probably will and which it definitely isn't) Iraq was never going to be solved in September. If it works, the initiative, they will argue, will have to be pressed home. This means the figures in Iraq will have to stay where they are, high, into next year. It was known a long while back that after the next rotation the numbers could not be sustained without a draft.

    You're hearing about it now because they always give you time to get accustomed to it. Abhorrent as it may sound now by then familiarity will take the edge of it by the time it comes. Just like boiling frogs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
  • Beatus, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12excuse me MR "US military officer in charge of coordinating the war effort in Iraq " can i go fight in a war we started over a national homicide/cover up in a place that had nothing to do with the original "attack".... please?
  • whatthefu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8It isn't going to happen. It's a waste of energy to worry about it and type "fascism" over and over again. Yes, it's an illegal war. No, no one should be drafted to fight in it. But that doesn't make it fascism, that just makes it illegal.
    • AustinMandi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13fascism=corporate contolled country

      I would say that we are most definitely being governed by a fascism. And those who don't understand that are what is wrong with this country in the first place.
      • Scheissen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What you're talking about is an oligarchy. Fascism is about suppressing anything.
        • fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Mussolini's original brand fascism was an intertwining of business and gov't which is then strong enough to oppress with impunity. The name comes from a word referring to a bundle of sticks, as in together they're stronger than alone.
          • Wartyboskfapped, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Fasces is a Latin term, the phrase descends from old Rome. Fascii were a bundle of fagots or sticks, held with an axe, usually bound cylindrically, carried before magistrates by lictors (a kind of Bailiff). It was just a symbol of power, as in primitive societies, someone who held the fuel for fire as well as the weapons of war (sticks, ax) was the holder of supreme power. Even in Roman times, the fasces were ancient.
          • btbalance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2fascism and oligarchies are harmonious.. it's more oligarchy than fascism - we have the power to fight back but just don't.

            Once there is another huge attack though.. we could see more fascism and yeah, a draft... but that's also when ***** meets fan.. I think "armageddon" is the appropriate term.
    • Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1It is not oligarchy. If it were the corrporations themselves would form the heads of state, then maybe. They do not but corporation and congress do together define policy and implement authoritarian rule to empower their own complex: that is fascism.
  • jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2413th Amendment

    Section 1. Neither slavery nor INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, except as a punishment for CRIME whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    How does the Draft not violate that? You'll have to amend the Constitution before I will agree to be drafted or serve on jury duty.
    • moocow1452, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Their country, their rules?
    • nickmv, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Military draft service does not qualify as involuntary servitude. Instead, it is known as conscription. Google it
      • Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Ok, if I don't want to go, then that's about as involuntary as it can get.
    • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2They will just convict you of being anti-American.
      • Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So what are the odds of surviving Jail, Gitmo, or Iraq?
    • nickmv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Refer to Arver vs United States for more information. Did the research for you. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=245&invol=366
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Congress raises and supports Armies. 'Nuff said. And how the ***** do you get a "jury of your peers" if none of your peers are doing jury duty because they think they Constitutionally don't have to? The lack of willingness to do service for fellow countryman is not good.
      • carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1when the lack of willingness is because the reason for going into the war was falacious and the reason for continuing the war is oil and contractor profiteering along with a heavy dose of bush not wanting to admit he ***** up, it's not a bad thing.
    • Somniis, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3They would respond by saying you voluntarily recited the oath to serve the US armed forces. That is where they get ya... when you raise your hand and "step over the line", so to speak, you have voluntarily given yourself over to them.. even if it is a draft.
  • joshshu, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7Christian Right Wing Extremists would fight for free together with their leader John Hagee.
    Nobody can make me to kill even if they kill me for that.
    • spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1why dont you defend yourself by killing them instead of just dying.
  • g30ff, on 10/10/2007, -6/+18Aha! So that's the reason for the USA's new border security measures. It isn't to keep people out of your country, it's to keep you guys in where you can be drafted...
    • AustinMandi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10That is a scarily astute observation.
    • bloggrrl, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Yep. I've been thinking that ever since we've been required to get a passport to visit Mexico. My son is 17...I hate this *****.
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3No, it's because if you look at most Americans, we're fed the hell up with illegals. It's still insanely easy to get to other countries.
  • MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -9/+17I dont want to sound like a penis or anything, but I hope they start a draft. That way, everyone will get up off their lazy asses and force Bush and the Dick out of office.
    • joshshu, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3And who is next, Obama? He want to invade Pakistan, as a result we need more people.
      • zaibatsu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Okay so where is Osama, but hell yeah we can't invade they have nukes. But we can pressure the hell out of the assholes.
      • DustinR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3At least we would be going after the people who supplied the money, instead of going after someone who had nothing to do with 911.
    • ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11It's sad that restarting the draft is what it takes to get us off our lazy asses...
    • Sil369, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Anything can be solvede by invading Canada.
      • zaibatsu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Lets just do it :)
        • DustinR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Makes a lot more sense to conquer country near you that you can keep an eye on corruption than ones thousands of miles away.
      • EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6If by "invading" you mean mass immigration, yes.

        Say goodbye to your dictator and hope to hell that Canada will even take you legally.
      • jugger74, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5That sounds less like a joke and more like a possibility every time I hear it.
    • 00z003, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1thank you for being so willing to send me against my will to kill or be killed.
  • Babykitkat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Hagee and Newt “Beat the War Drums for Jesus”

    http://rattube.com/blog1/category/religion/
  • ToxicBomber, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11***** YOU Douglas Lute
  • dallascorbin504, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12gee....i wonder if they can draft me when i move to CANADA!?
    • fearlessfx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Better move quick, housing prices and overall cost of living are getting ***** ridiculous here.
    • kurtwinter, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Yes, they can. There is only one english speaking country that does not extradite for draft dodgers, South Africa. And english is less than half of the spoken language there, gotta learn afrikaans, good luck with that.
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You can apply for a conscientious objection waiver so you will not have to hurt anyone, only help your fellow American.
    • EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4If you can get into Canada. Their immigration laws are not very nice, unless you have a lot of work experience. :(
    • btbalance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2well.. the draft will be for the North American Union forces or the UN World Freedom Forces... so, Canada will offer no refuge.
    • shabumike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You can crash at my place!
  • Ifishbein, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10Maybe a draft will get people to start caring about what happens in this country.
    • shig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That is NOT the best way to go about doing that.
  • expat001, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11The draft will be announced 2 days after the next presidential election.

    Mark my words!
    • UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Why two days?
    • spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8or 2 days after the next major terror 'incident'
    • FredoBerfil, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I don't know why you're being Dugg down. That makes sense to me.
  • nofx1510, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Yeah but having a draft shouldnt be the reason that people should start to care about this country.
    I just turned 18 and if this happened and I did get drafted it would completely mess my life up, 1) I would have to goto college later in my life and start my life off on a later page 2) I could die, not cool......I didn't vote for bush I dont support the war why should I have to go and fight for something I dont believe in. Just my opinion...
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Or you could just work for a republican political guy and get out of the whole damn thing like George W Bush did!
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I see your point. However, as a fellow college male, I want to put down the other side to this. We are citizens of the United States of America, and as adults who stay here we accept the Selective Service. There are conscientious objection waivers for the exact reason that you may not agree with the war, but you still must help your countrymen.
      • 00z003, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Where did this duty to help my countrymen come from? Was I magically born with it
    • Somniis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You could always simply ignore the draft order. You may land in prison, you may not, but it is up to you.

      And to tehpwnrate, we are not helping anyone but the people on top in this "war". Iraq hates it, Americans hate it, the British hate it, everyone does.. except those who profit from it. Our country is not under attack, we are in no immediate danger of "losing our freedoms" as with WWI and WWII. If I had known better, I would not have even signed up for the SS. Unfortunately I was a scared little pussy then...
      • carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1hell, i don't even know how i was signed up, i just got a card in the mail one day saying "thanks for signing up! better hope no draft comes up before you're old!"
    • PJ1967, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Like Cheney, Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, Tom Delay, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and the other chickenhawks you could very likely get a college deferment. Or like Bush, if you're daddy is very politically connected, get a cushy commission in the Air National Guard of the state of your choice. You may even grow up to be president and ruin the country.

      Now if you do refuse your deferment opportunity and honorably (perhaps, foolishly) serve, and survive, you could eventually run for Congress as a Democrat, following the likes of Jack Murtha, Jim Webb, Bob Kerrey, John Kerry, Leonard Boswell, Tom Harken, and Max Cleland, to name a few. You may recall that John Kerry was "swift boated", Jack Murtha was indirectly labelled a coward on the House floor, Bob Kerrey's service as a SEAL was smeared, and Max Cleland (triple amputee) was labelled a traitor in political ads. But if you think you can be safe to run as a Republican like John McCain, you would be in small company and likely smeared by your own. McCain (tortured POW) was labelled by the Bush Campaign in 2000 as unstable and accused of fathering a child by a prostitute.

      Oh, and just to blunt the "Clinton did it" argument...Bill Clinton is not a chickenhawk...just *****!

      So, good luck kid, you'll need it!!!

      PJ (US Navy, 1986-1996)
  • UndyingShadow, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26Yes, good, draft me.

    Put a loaded M16 into my hands and see what I do with it
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5What are you saying? You'd shoot fellow soldiers and draftees? I don't get it.
      • DustinR, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1How effective would a draft be when it takes 5 of them for one of me.
        • shig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Is it a good thing if D.I.'s have a .33 second reaction time when killing their own citizens?

          Any order of deployment to Iraq is an illegal order, and should be disobeyed.
      • shig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Shoot them when they come for you."
        That's my motto.

        Attempt to take me anywhere, by force, and you'll get it then.
    • EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Put loaded M16s into the hands of drafties and have Bush give some speech to them.
  • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Hey, Iraq war 'boss': ***** YOU

    -American Teens
    • thecapuchin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Since teenagers would hardly be eligible for any sort of draft (barring, 18 and 19 year olds) your comment is more than a little irrelevant.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all in favor of a draft of any sort. ***** Congress, ***** Bush and ***** Anyone who thinks we should even still be *in* Iraq.
  • kavery, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Just don't see a draft happening unless we have major troop reductions or are spreading freedom in ten different countries.

    If they tried to draft people now, you could only imagine the uprising. Patriotism is dead and GB killed it.
    • Phoster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4We already don't have enough troops. Why do you think guys are going over for their third, fourth, and fifth tours? In a few months we will only have two options: pull out or draft. I think Bush is just trying to stall long enough that he won't be the one who gives the order to withdraw.
  • 69Liters, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They really should do it, it's the only way they will lose enough support and gather enough enemies to end the war and their administration. Rep. Rangel said the exact same thing, instituting the draft will end the war. So you have nothing to worry about, it's not gonna happen.
  • subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19the day that the draft is brought back is the day i come out of the closet.
    • mxpx720, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3hahaha, i'm sure a lot of guys will suddenly "come out of the closet" I know I'd rather move out of the country than tell everyone i like the ***** : that's just me though haha
      • ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5So what? You either tell everyone that you like the *****, or move to Canada and everyone will just assume you like the *****.


        /joke
      • FredoBerfil, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Depends on the country. If I could move to Canada, or the Netherlands, and I had a job waiting for me, sure, I'd move. Any other choice and I'd go for the *****.
    • DustinR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So they just instituted the draft today?
  • czar0406, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"Lieutenant General Douglas Lute, who serves as the White House deputy national security adviser, says the all-volunteer military is serving "exceedingly well" and the administration has not decided it needs to be replaced with a draft."

    that means no draft

    and the draft has been "worth considering" since 1980

    oh yeah, claiming your gay doesn't get you out by the way, they have this thing called "stop gap". i mean, you can tell them, you'll make some new friends, but your not getting out
  • bivouac, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Mandatory military service. Like Israel. Foreign policy would take a drastic turn.
    • mxpx720, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1it would at first... then we would be like israel and have enemies... and start wars with unlimited soldiers
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You're forgetting though, that in Israel you get an exemption if you're a rabid religious *****, and gety to do soft-ass stuff like a bit of volunteer work in a hospital or whatever.
      • TVarmy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Well, our fundamentalist churches like to mix religion and politics; many consider Iraq "God's war," and a vital step in spreading Christianity to the Middle East. By your logic, they'll be on the front line. Then, once they're there and see how it really is, we'll see what they think.
      • ferrofluid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Interesting that Israel has chickenhawks too, amazing how its the same the world over.
        its usually the rabid religious types that cause most of the wars, yet they dont go themselves.
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Also like Germany.
  • stanford87, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0the draft wouldnt be a bad thing. stanford students probably wont be going over to hell
  • PJ1967, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2AFAIK, the draft can only be enacted by act of Congress and doing so would be an act of political suicide for both parties.
    • MasterChi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yea, so was going to war but Bush managed to get around that so i'm sure he can get around the congress one more time if he wants too.
  • Ebacherville, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Draft, screw that I'll move to Mexico before I go fight this governments F'ed up war. They will have to hunt me down and find me, The only way there going to get me to fight for them is by killing me... kind of counter productive.
    • R1ng00, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Thats interesting you should say that because Canada, mexico and US are planning a no borders policy .. you'd still be borked.
      • shig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Which is why he's going to kill them when they come for him. It's the only rational decision; resist tyranny.
      • carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1hey, plenty of mexicans have an easy enough time getting in, if the fence ain't keeping them out i'm sure it won't keep me in.
  • Sil369, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Unless this sort of news makes it to CNN/Fox News/etc... no one will care.
    • R1ng00, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They already know about it .. wake up.
    • habfan29, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It was covered by CNN two days ago...
  • geomon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6This whole discussion reminds me of Al Franken's bit on Saturday Night Live in the 1980's. He had just past 30(ish) and was well over the age of a draft (unless everything went to hell). He was doing a mock-editorial about bringing back the draft and how he was "now all for it, considering that I'm was too old" (paraphrasing).

    Rangle has been pushing for the draft because of economic and racial reasons for years. His arguments are nothing new. What would change in the military would be that the services would be less single-minded in their "gung-ho, Jesus sent us to save your condemned ass" attitude that is the dominant mindset now.

    As for me, I'm 46. My Selective Service number will be so ***** high I'll retire from my present job before I get drafted. I do, however, have a very draftable 19-year-old son. I don't like the idea that only a small percentage of our country is making all of the sacrifice for this war, whatever you may think of how or why it started. The number of people who served in WWII was something like 11%; today it is something like 1%.

    Can a democracy really survive with that few of its citizens bearing all of the risks?
    • Wavicle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2In WWII, congress formally declared war. There is no reason to have a draft except in response to a declaration of war. Yeah, I know.. Korea, Vietnam... And both were disasters. Korea was just less of a disaster.
      • geomon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Again, try to avoid focusing on whether the war is justified or not, or declared or not. The fact is, there is a significant risk to our country presented by terrorists who have shown unequivocally that they want to destroy our country. Even if we disengage from Iraq and Afghanistan, there will still exist a threat to the US from terrorists. We will need to maintain a military for the foreseeable future. Those individuals *shouldn't* be just those people unlucky enough to have been born into a family that couldn't afford to send them to college. The poor and minorities shouldn't make up the majority of the US military. I know that there are plenty of middle and upper middle class people serving because of family history, or because of a sense of honor and duty (not that they are mutually exclusive).

        But the military has become isolated in its views about the rest of the world and about Americans who disagree with the President's policies. Military personnel are more likely to be religious, more likely to vote Republican, and more likely to view dissent as an attack on the United States.

        That was my point.
        • darienphoenix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Exactly what sort of military force has ever been successful in preventing a domestic terrorist attack? Currently, we're doing the opposite with our armed forces - our occupation of Iraq is a giant PR ad for every terrorist organisation on the planet.
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Great post. I'm 19 as well. I feel that today we have way too little willingness to do anything for other Americans other than bitch and moan. I don't like the idea of a draft, but if there were one, you do your duty, if only for your fellow American. The fact that so few sacrifice so much is why no one actually cares enough to do something about making sure wars are justified.
    • shig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's actually .15%, or about half a million. The truth is, if you don't join the military, you're going to find it hard to live during the economic collapse. Either serve in the military, or change our government, because we're frankly running out of options to maintain the status quo. I'd rather you not join the military.
  • tjdoom, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3http://www.digg.com/world_news/Yeee_haw_Here_comes_the_draft

    Top Ten, too.
  • weebit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2wow can you imagine how many street gangs will be broke up and shipped overseas to fight? I am not sure if that is a good thing or not though.
  • andrgo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18It's like they're totally ignorant to the pure, statistical fact that OVER HALF OF THE DAMN COUNTRY DOESN'T APPROVE OF THE GODDAMN WAR!
    Cripes! How much air do you have to have in your brain cavity to not realize the damn facts?!

    By the way: DRAFT THE REPUBLICANS! (They're the ones that love the war so much, plus it'd be nice to get most of them out of the whole country for a little peace and quiet.)
    • weebit, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13"DRAFT THE REPUBLICANS!"

      Draft their "of age" sons and daughters! A good majority of them are not in the military service.
      • ferrofluid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1'Draft the RepublicanSONs' a good bumper sticker, and poster slogan.
  • racerxs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3If he is stating that "a draft" is worth considering...

    perhaps so to is "his resignation or removal" from his post!

    Just my .02 on it!
  • MagCynic, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3As unpopular as it is, I'm all for the draft. I think every citizen in this country should be required to serve a short time in the military. Nothing major, one deployment and that's it unless you want to continue.
    • andrgo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Maybe if the war was actually purposeful, but Iraq is a lost cause and always will be. It's going to go down as a failure just like Vietnam did.
      • ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I agree. If we were in a war that I truly felt was required to protect America, then I would go and serve my time protecting this country. But there is no way in hell that they are going to drag me over to a country to fight in a war that i don't believe is in the best interest of our country.
    • cactusmcdougal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0I would only agree to it if they would send me somewhere where there is no risk of getting killed. Let the ones who enlisted go fight in the war zones.
      • airforcemook, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1+1 digg to those who have the guts to stand up for their country, and -1 to cowards like you! Other men and women die for your lack of courage. They might not want to be in Iraq, but they still go, because it's their duty and honor to serve their country -- even if they just want to get home again. It's people like you, who don't even have the guts to join in the first place, that make this such a sad situation.
        • Fabc001, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Yeah just like people like Pat Tillman
    • DustinR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2So we should turn all of our citizens into killers?
  • tikited, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2hello Bush kept his word he would not use the draft at all, it was in yahoo news just a 2 or 3 years ago. plus bush has already sent more troops to iraq over the years. why anyone want learn this country language. plus who is going to play all this debt money. i can tell tell you bush and people working in D.C make more money out of us than we do, millions of dollars. the soldiers are suppose to leave already from iraq starting now to this next 08 spring. why would anyone want waste there time killing someone you don't know. its hot in iraq. does anyone want there broken hands, handless, arm, eyes, back, and life taken away from you just to fight lame terrorist. want happens to soldiers who come back from Iraq will they be able to get a job or have scary memory that you are still there trying to survive. tell bush he should finish his homework instead of some other possibly good president, finish the job. it was complete stupid a few years ago saying victory for u.s.( blue yellow flag symbol) right my ass. would you like to be married to a murder of your every day life? plus the money is no good for even going. i betcha bush doesn't have the paycheck. i consider bush terrorist for causing and handling this stupid war. someone wasting money for freak-in gas on SUV or large car, even though i own regular size car. IMPEACH the KRAP out of LiL BUSH KID NOW
  • mxpx720, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I say we just start sending everyone in prison... drop them off with a gun and let them do whatever they want
  • montagg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9That's bizarre, coming from a military guy. The military has worked its butt off to drag itself out of the hell of the Vietnam draft and craft the most efficient and effective army of volunteers in the world. Why would they want to pollute a group of good soldiers with ones who don't even want to be there?
    • bjornski, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Because we're running out of them. 3rd, 4th, 5th tours are NOT good for our "all-volunteer professional" military.

      If you support this war, get off your ass and enlist. Don't expect your neighbor to sacrifice THEIR kid so you can drive your SUV.

      • dippyskoodlez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1>>>Because we're running out of them

        Because Noone wants to be there!

        Duh.
  • bubbadoo989, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9When Bush and Cheney go to fight in Iraq, I will too.
    • andrgo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Right on.
    • DavidGX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Better yet, let's remove all the soldiers and just throw bush and cheney in there, give em AK's and say "well.. make it happen *****! Freedom and democracy and all that jazz! Good luck, douchebags!"
  • tacklebox, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2Drafting the poor would be a good idea. Teach them skills, teach them discipline, give them a chance to succeed at life. I'm for it.
    • TVarmy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I might get dugg down for this, but I feel we already sort of do that. If someone is poor but has aspirations, there are only a few sources for funds for eduction. Pell Grants are hard to get, financial aid often just ends up being stafford loans, and scholarships are also hard to get. But the military is willing to enlist many and helps pay for education. In fact, I think a good percentage of the enlisted signed up for that reason.

      If secondary education were socialized, I predict we'd definitely need to reinstate the draft.
      • dippyskoodlez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yep, the military will train and feed you too.

        Only downside to drafting the poor is that you get grunts, not technically proficient operators, or officers.
        • Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The ability to lead or demonstrate intelligence is not dependent on wealth. Look at the president, he's very wealthy.
    • Somniis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Success has many definitions...
    • Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So because they're poor you'd remove them choice. What did your last slave die of?
  • mkline718, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I served in the Army proudly but I don't think this is a good idea at all. Right now the anti-war protests have never really gotten off the ground. Yes there are protests but nothing like what went on during Vietnam. If the draft was put back in place I could see 18-25 year olds uniting bigtime online and on college and high school campus' all over and then the Republicans will be in big trouble come November 2008.

    Hooooahhh Airborne to all those that have served!!
  • reddevil3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Bush should draft his daughters into the army. Any politician who supports the war should force his or her children who are of age to go to Iraq. Especially Romney and all his sons.
    • andrgo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5EXACTLY!
      But they're all a bunch of goddamn hypocrites.
    • carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1rudy wouldn't mind if his kerry supporting kids got the letter i'm sure.
  • Sgurdcrimp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7IT'S A GREAT IDEA!

    DO IT, AND WATCH THE REVOLUTION ENCOMPASS THE COUNTRY!!

    well so yeah, do it.... it'll only help remove the *****
  • enronias, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2As soon as the draft makes sense to put into effect moving to Canada makes sense to put into effect.
  • andrgo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Oh yeah, one more thing I'd like to know...

    Since "everyone is equal" according to our constitution, why don't WOMEN have to sign up for the draft? Just because they have uteruses? We're in the 21st century... I think it's time.
    • iamcool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I couldn't agree more. Though I doubt you'll find many women women who agree they should be drafted. Ironically if they were denied the right to vote you'd better believe there would be marching and protests.
    • dippyskoodlez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2>>>Since "everyone is equal" according to our constitution, why don't WOMEN have to sign up for the draft?

      They still aren't allowed in combat.
  • sirbeta, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I guarantee if the draft returns, two-thirds of the potential drafting age-range will suddenly be gay.
    • KingGorilla, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0we could be butt buddies and flee to canada!
  • PiKo85, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I don't wanna be a soldier mama, I don't wanna die. I don't wanna be a sailor mama, I don't wanna fly.
  • nastronomical, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3LOL...Good. I cannot wait till Libs start leaving for canada and europe.
    • andrgo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6LOL, why are you on a computer at night instead of fighting for the war you obviously support there, Mr. Republicant?
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So, you'll be signing up soon, then?
    • ferrofluid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Nothings changed then, as in WW2 or Vietnam, the 'Liberals' were the ones volunteering to go fight fascism,
      often via Canadian and European training camps.
      the Repugs stayed at home and profiteered, bum boils and other assorted life threatening conditions sadly made them unable to go fight.
      Repugs forced to do their fighting from the cocktail lounges,bars, public restrooms and at the YR toga (optional ssshh) partys.
      .
  • Halleys5th, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6This is pure evil. The "option" to thieve and murder is also on the table.... How can rights be protected by forcibly sending young people to their deaths? If a government is willing to violate the rights of its citizens on just one issue, why shouldn't they do it whenever they please?
    • Pixelante, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Given the attitute of the youth today, forcibly sending young people to their deaths is an idea whose time has come. No more internet for you. No more computers. No more games. No more world of warcraft. You will lie face-down in the dust in some country you never knew existed before, bleeding to death, and nobody will miss you.
      Aaaaah, so GOOD.
    • bjornski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3We're already thieving and murdering. What do you think the oil grab in Iraq is?
    • bjornski, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1(duplicate posted for some reason, digg this one down)
  • rrayted, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2GOD QUIT POSTING THIS STORY

    you geeky ass pussies, It's not going to happen so go back to your internets and quit cowering at the thought of being shipped off!!
    • Somniis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2We aren't. We are being pissed at the thought of being shipped off. :) We know it won't happen, but it is still fun to simply be pissed over the possibility of it...
      • R1ng00, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Personally I didn't think a president would lie to get his fellow country men killed over oil..... I don't and wouldn't put anything past this administration. If you might be thinking that the democrats would stop this .. why haven't they stopped the war yet? I mean they DO indeed have the power .. but no one is stepping up? wtf? So in this world --- anything can happen.. I hope your right however, I didn't think I would ever see another reichstag fire either .....
    • iTorrey, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2A pussy is someone who claims dominion over others to further their pet cause. That is what a draft is and what you are apparently supporting.

      The congress was given power to raise an army. This wasn't supposed to mean that the congress could compel people to serve it was meant to mean that the congress had the authority to create an army for defense of the nation because all power not vested to the congress belonged to the people. So the constitution had to make clear that the congress had the power (since congress by default has none) to raise an army. States had militias which were volunteer based and the congress could create an army and accept help from the militias (at least this is my understanding).

      It wasn't until relatively modern times that the government decided that the congress had the power to draft people to fight. This is a perversion of the intent. Further, the army was meant to defend the country against invasion. Surely Iraq or Iran have no ability to invade our country and take us over. Our founders were not interested in wars of aggression but advocated not intervening in the affairs of other nations and mediating conflicts if asked to help.

      If there was seriously an invasion happening I would grab a gun, strap on some boots and help repel this invasion however we are being conditioned to believe that if we don't fight over there they will fight us over here which is ridiculous at best. The common person living half way around the world could care less about our country. If we leave them alone and protect our borders and stop bullying and policing the world and instead talk with them and trade with them we wouldn't need a military that is spread out over 50+ countries and we surely wouldn't ever need to claim dominion over the bodies of others to further wars of aggression.
  • japantokyo21, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2***** no am i going to be drafted!!!
    • btbalance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4yes, you must fight for freedom.. well, not YOUR freedom.. but other peoples freedom. IF you were free to not go then *****, no freedom for them and nuclear bombs and 9/11.

      So, get pumping those push up because I need some shock & awe on my TV screen damnit!
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