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- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -11/+49When asked in a rare press conference what Iraq had to do with 9/11 Bush finally admitted “Nothing.” The GOP has been misrepresenting the connection between 9/11 and Iraq for a long time. It seems that people are starting to cut through the BS.
Cheney: "His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda terrorists." (12/2/02)
Cheney: "His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us." (1/30/03)
Cheney: "I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government." (1/22/04) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28"like facts matter to conservatives."
Like facts matter to ANYone so partisan that they can't see past the end of their voter registration. "Liberal this" and "Conservative that"...meh. You're all a bunch of shortsighted 'tards.
This is about governmental corruption. It's bad if the Dems do it...it's bad if the Reps do it. Get over your stupid ***** partisan labels. - whiskeymb, on 10/12/2007, -21/+40conservative diggers bury this in 3...2...1...
- Shinta, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29What's a terrorist country? Is that like a terrorist religion, or a terrorist race?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -37/+52Iraq is nothing, wait until its Iran. Why doesnt the EU get a backbone as they are our next door neighbours. We are in close proximity, unlike the US which is thousands of miles away. Stop these mad people - I say people because the MAJORITY voted him in and continue to support him by their inaction.
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I'm about as anti-Digg Politics sections as they come. This place is a disaster. The anti-Bush crowd is very hypocritical in their use of facts and of their abuse of the system to promote only their viewpoint and to bury dissent.
But my goodness, they are definitely NOT anti-America or anti-American. These people are expressing opinions for a person they don't like! That IS an America. How would you like it if they started labeling anti-American you for hating Democrats? Or telling you to move to Canda if you "disapprove" on a poll? Or telling you that you are brainwashed by propoganda you hear, and that you need to serve in the military before your opinions are valid?
Seriously, what did you think you were going to accomplish by calling them Anti-American. Do you think they're going to read your grammatically incorrect post and think "Wow! Jun168 is on to something! I've been wrong this whole time! I'm so glad he treated me as a second-class citizen. Now I'm going to change my life, by being a better person, working harder, and help old ladies cross the street! Thanks Jun168!" - harumph, on 10/12/2007, -18/+30umm, a majority did not vote him in.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Iraq_Had_Nothing_To_Do_With_9_11
Of course, someone marked it inaccurate. Funny that when it's a video. Hard to misrepresent. - bbrosemer, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25Shhhhh!!!!, dont say anything against the war otherwise your a "terrorist"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14dmh:
>Wrong, the President said that Iraq had nothing to do with the two towers falling on 9/11. Saddam did not order the terror attacks on 9/11 but Zarqawi and other al Qaeda officials were in Iraq before 9/11. That's all the Vice President was saying.
Even if Zarqawi was, and there's no evidence for this except for the claims of the long since discredited administration, so what? That's like saying that the US is at fault because Mohammed Atta was in America.
Ultimately, it turned out (and the 9/11 commission concluded) that there was "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."
You may now return to your Fox viewing. - happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18It's about time. Iraq has never had anything to do with 9/11, Al Qaeda, Weapons of Mass Destruction, or the War on Terror.
- nocountries, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16The Republican Party was born in the early 1850's by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge.
The Republican Party also played a leading role in securing women the right to vote.
Abolishing slavery. Free speech. Women's suffrage. These are all stances the Republican Party, in opposition to the Democratic Party, adopted early on.
Republicans fought to abolish slavery, give blacks equal rights and then the vote. Many Republican politicians risked their careers on that...
I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
from: http://www.gop.com
WHERE DID IT ALL GO WRONG, GEORGE? - labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@TomtheWombat
"There has not been a significant terrorist attack on the US since the war started."
Correlation does not imply causation. What you are showing here is a logical fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_implies_causation - Galphanore, on 10/12/2007, -20/+27Actually, the majority didn't vote for him. The election was rigged.http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen Personally I think they should all be thrown into jail, not left to run our country.
- stylerm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Your logic is infallible.
Jun168=terrorist
The equal sign makes it true! - rabidjester, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17We've always been at war with Eastasia!
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Fewer polls, more news by journalists, please.
- Zoplax, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Iraq is not a war on terror, it's a war for oil.
Only, for some reason we haven't proceeded to pillage Iraq and acquire its oil reserves. Or, maybe we have and the oil companies are just raising their prices because they can. - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Not hacked. You can tell it's one of my posts by the horrible editing job I did on it.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6from TFA:
"Razzaq's battalion was given control of its own sector last year. That means the U.S. military considers the unit capable of functioning without American support. It was among the first Iraqi units to be declared independent. Five of the 10 Iraqi divisions deployed across the country now have assumed responsibility for areas, among them Tikrit, Saddam's hometown."
"the Iraqi army has humvees? or was he being driven round by the american army? ;)"
Of course they have humvees. How do you think they're going to get around? Bicycles? Burnt out Iraqi APCs? Their using a LOT of our equipment...weapons, vehicles, etc. - luaplevap, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Fair point shinta, but the way terrorism is described and stereotyped in america you'd guess that the middle east and terrorism are inextricably tied with a magical terrorism rope... meanwhile north korea waits.
- razarizvi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10The whole Lebanon episode was a way to drag Iran into the quagmire, and find an excuse to bomb it. Fortunately, Hezbollah held off Israel by itself. As for a full scale invasion of Iran, like it was done in Iraq, that is not going to happen. The way the Iranian political system works may not be popular with a lot of Iranians and the final say may be in the hands of the Ayatullah. However the president and the parliament was still elected by the people. There were in fact moderate and liberal candidates running for president yet the majority picked a conservative for president. Messing with Iran would be a bad idea.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I guess you haven't read this story: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-08-21-razzaq-cover_x.htm
- carve, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Interesting. Show us a link.
- Galphanore, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15@bbrosemer
And we know how many rights 'terrorists' have these days. Thanks Patriot Act! - silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4helix, i might not agree with some of your posts (my POV is influenced by the fact that i live in ex-Yugoslav country and we had 5 years of war here), but this post you made .... thumbs up all the way. With people like you, i think there is still hope for US.
You might have different POV then me, which is normal, but this post was one of the best i read in a while.
/kudos - Galphanore, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Sane People=Anti-Bush.
Bush=Anti-American.
It's as simple as that. - dbstovall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5While this is obvious to me I have a hard time reconciling this poll with the other recent polls that stated more than half of us Americans believe that Iraq had WMDs, more than half the country now thinks that Saddam had ties to Al-Qaeda, and almost 40% believe he had a direct role in 9-11. Basically, the US population is schizophrenic.
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@GDunck
Quick note, we were operating under SURPLUS under Clinton.
Bush has created the single largest deficit in US History.
I'm not fond of Clinton, far from it, but please don't let your hatred of Bubba cloud your judgment as you examine Bush's performance. - L0t3k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I've got news for yah bud, Hezbollah didn't "hold off" Israel.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4WMD were found in iraq. Just not in the quanity expected. Iraq was never linked to 9/11 except ironicaly, by liberals trying to say bush linked iraq and 9/11. There were minor links to al qaeda. Not matter how it started, iraq is a front in the war on terror now. If we leave, we will regret it. We may even be back in a few years.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't get my news from the daily show since it is a comedy show, not a news show. Whats next? political thought from cartman on southpark?
- neurologic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5All i have to say is, take a look at where Iraq is geographically to Iran, then look at the other countries surrounding Iran, Hum. seems like we now have military bases completely surrounding Iran.
Gee, Why could that be?
Could it be http://www.newamericancentury.org/ - Jrgurl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How is this political news- this is an OPINION poll
- silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"AQ members were in Iraq before the war"... so? they were in f*cking US of A, where they learnd how to fly those jets. Does that mean that US of A supports islamic terrorism???????
One of most stupid reasons for "pro-war" side.
Saddam was *read my lips* PAN ARABIC SOCIALIST, who didnt allow ANY FORM of islamic radicalism in his country, cause it would undermine his rule.
AQ are *read my lips* WAHHABI FANATICS, who, on MANY occasions called for overthrow of Saddam.
Ideologically you couldn't find two more opposite sides in ME. OTOH, Saudi Arabia (US ally) _IS_ ruled with help of wahhabists... imagine that... and OBL's first goal was ONLY to remove US troops from SA... later he changed his agenda, mostlly due to Zawahiri (egyptian - another US ally in region).
for god's sake, if you wanna flame wars, go somewhere else. if you cant stand FACTS... same... burrying stories is moronic.
/back to beer - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@daviebyrne
Why are you clumping all those conspiracy theories together? I don't know ANYONE who believes all of them.
Ah, right, you're setting up the stereotypical "Liberal Straw Man" argument. By clumping all Liberals together you get to attack any single Liberal with arguments against your straw man, not that person's beliefs or ideas.
Then there's your master stroke of labeling everyone who disagrees with you as a "liberal." That way anyone who expresses the idea that Bush invaded Iraq for the financial benefit of oil and military companies gets labeled a "liberal."
Well guess what, I'm a Reagan style Republican, and I know damn well that Bush invaded Iraq under false pretenses. I recommend you wake up and examine Bush and his motives objectively, instead of slavishly worshiping him with a fervor akin to religious fanaticism. - Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@andylau:
Ah, so those rape rooms were setup by Saddam for educational purposes right? - luaplevap, on 10/12/2007, -16/+19How can you bury that, everything he says is true... you can listen to the House's lies as much as you'd like, but be ready to be incinerated in 20 years via real terrorist countries.
- clarkmoody, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@halleyscomet
Please note that those same oil companies re-invest HUGE portions of those same profits into research on how to drill deeper undersea to find more of _our_ offshore oil and how to use alternate methods of getting oil out of _our_ ground. They're not just sitting back smoking cigars and laughing at how stupid the American people are.
And do you even realize how expensive gas is in Europe? Try somewhere in the realm of 1.25 Euro a Litre! They love coming here because gas is so cheap. - linville, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Lack of involvement with 9/11 does not imply a lack of contact with al Qaeda. After 9/11, Saddam's government was a danger we could no longer afford.
- Pellucid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Iraqi people didn't have access to the weapons necessary to overthrow Saddam and were scared out of their wits to do so given the horrible punishments inflicted on those who tried. It's easy for you to sit in a democratic society safe in your little bubble of peaceful reform, but you're essentially asking people to kill themselves in an essentially futile effort to get what they want. These people didn't have tanks or planes, and the army was so well-treated that they were happy under Saddam. They had no choice.
- gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4would it help to mention that im actually kind of conservative? Prolly not. I base my OPINION on facts that, pieced together, lead me to believe a certain thing. I never said that IS what hes doing or going to do, i said he MIGHT be doing or MIGHT do that. Another fact is you attack EVERYONE who does not fully agree with your point of view and you base your attacks on the most extreme versions of whatever you can think of. You are a moron and you uppets will come.
- PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@whiskeymb
"like facts matter to conservatives. the truth is what they want to believe."
Facts don't matter to much of anyone anymore - left or right. Truth is what you believe and anybody who disagrees is either flat out wrong, biased, racist or (pick your favorite adjective). It's a sad world we live in. - russryba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5A two party system is just screwed up to begin with. Splitting millions of people into Democrats or Republicans is going to have so much overlap on any given issue it ends up accurately representing very few people. They pick sides on issues that have a strong split and eventually by picking sides on the new issues no one notices they changed sides on the old ones.
It's people in power trying to stay in power. Your votes are the wind in their sails. A two party system just gives whoever wins that much more power. - rino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Oh man, I just wanted to bump that comment's links, NOT the whole comment. Sorry j.carcinogen...
Great set of links and I'll add:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110006953
Why was Abu Nidal hanging out in Iraq? Huh?
http://www.seacoastonline.com/2002news/08222002/world/20426.htm - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So he could have avoided the sanctions eh?
Were the sanctions like a plague form the sky that's brought down by God, or are they put in place by us, the "Western democracies"?
Because Saddam did not suffer much under the sanctions, unlike his people. And nobody can act suprised of that.
I'm tired of people justifying the unjustifiable. - rino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And Abu Abbas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Abbas
He is another terrorist who took haven in Iraq. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ gardbert1
I'll admit I had you confused with another person. I'm sorry for calling you left of center.
But, your comments about me being overtly religious aren't true. I'm lutheran (if you don't know who they are, there the ones that fought against catholics teachings) I am strongly opposed to the fundamentalist christian teachings (i.e evolution doesn't exist, Gays are evil, and other stuff) It's the fundamentalists in the world that give christianity a bad name. One thing about lutherans is that we don't have a figure-head (no lutheran pope). That means we don't have someone dictating what we should and should not believe about certain issues. We just refer to the bible and form an opinion on our own (it's kinda like the un-organized religion idea jethro tull sang about). With that being said
I'm not a crazy religious person
I agree with you that we should not give up freedom for security
but I think we need to stay in Iraq until it's rebuilt into something stable
Sincerly sorry for calling you left of center. - stylerm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5you only hear what you want to hear, so what is the point of anyone responding to you?
I could tell you that you are a fanatical zealot who should seek counseling, or that you should learn how to use the [reply] button, but it wouldn't matter. - labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Agreed. David davidbyrne does more harm than good for the neo-cons.
Hes one of those over-enthusiastic people that you kind of feel sorry but and really dont want around but dont have the heart to tell him to bugger off.
Kind of like the neighbor who shows up for the cookout with 3 grills and 200 hotdogs. -
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