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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+65Right. Because when Israel assassinates someone, it's Antisemitism to call their *****.
- Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -28/+57Ridiculous comments that sing for bigotry.
Whenever a scientist of any kind is being killed -especially when it is for political reasons- I get really mad. This man from Iran was maybe designing the worse nuclear bomb ever, he may also was designing a nuclear plant which would fulfill the needs of millions of poor people in Iran. Whatever the case there was no need to assassinate him, if anything there should be a check to Iran's nuclear weapons, not to its nuclear research.
Do you remember how easy was to kill Soviet nuclear scientists? Impossible. Now if it is as easy to kill a top scientist of another country imagine how powerless this country is, I don't think Iran was ever a problem before President Bush put it in his axis of evil list and dropped any dialogue with it. I don't think it is that of a real problem now either, as it is too weak to make the first move, considering how many powerful countries are being supported by its oil it would be wrong for them to let Iran act the way it wants.
Lastly, there is an enormous hypocrisy here. There are some countries which are allowed to have nuclear weapons and Israel and Iran are not in that group. However it is known that Israel have nuclear heads ready for usage -unlike Iran- and tries now to sabotage Iran's program, although they are offenders too, it's not just hypocritical, it's mafia tactic, too, they behave like a lowlife criminal. To end this short argument to all those who believe that Israel can sustain nuclear weaponry because they are a rational state, while Iran can not because they are a nation governed by madmen, I have to say that history showed us that Israel is a lot more gung-ho than any other state in Middle East and being the only practicing a genocide for 50 consequent years, they most probably also drop the first nuclear bomb, if that happens (which is alarmingly possible) I wonder what the US take would be in the event, anti-Persian -again- or just for once (they) won't back the criminals. - gamebittk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25WORKING article link [from the same source]:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1324321.ece - BeefBaron, on 10/12/2007, -27/+44@gamebittk
What are you, a FOX News correspondent? Stop spouting crap. - numberonedad, on 10/12/2007, -15/+30masterm1nd: "Innocent civilian? The guy makes nukes with the sole purpose of wiping you, me, and millions of others off the planet..."
Sounds familiar...ever hear of Robert Oppenheimer? - BassMastr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21So ummm...we gonna wait for any proof? Everyone is screaming for proof when the American accuse anyone of anything? There are dozens of countries that have no desire to see Iran with a nuclear weapon? This is propaganda. The article should read...An Iranian nuclear Scientist was killed, and more investigation is being done into the cause of his death. (I mean that's how a responsible news source would report it.)
- danielsimon, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24Assassinations have been the status quo in the region since the 9th century--in fact, as I'm sure all you douche-bag "experts" on Near Eastern policy know, assassin is an English bastardization of an Arabic word. Whether or not they smoked hash is of course debatable, but proto-Shi'ite Muslims carried out assassination campaigns against proto-Sunni counterparts that literally destroyed the Ummayad regime in Damascus--and those were for political reasons, not for "let's stave off nuclear holocaust" reasons. To me, it's a clear case of "pot kettle black".
You anti-Israelis are disturbing for another reason as well: there is so much new journalism being written about diaspora Jews increasingly distancing themselves from the bumbling Israeli domestic policy. As a "joo," I can tell you that there is nothing that gets Jews on Israel's side like anti-Semitism. Thinking that Israeli policy is automatically "Jewish" policy, is a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous way of thinking. - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Israel didn't really win the war with Lebanon. They used overwhelming force but didn't cause overwhelming enemy casualties, and they didn't even get the two soldiers back that caused the war to begin with.
- heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Swing and a miss. Israel doesn't listen to the international community anyway.
- BassMastr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17That's fair... You can assume whatever you want, but until you have proof they are just assumptions. Which is the basis of this whole argument.
Actually I am a big fan of waiting to hear evidence as this will show you... Or you can keep assuming...
http://digg.com/politics/Surprise_White_House_can_t_prove_link_between_Iraqi_insurgents_and_Iran
I hate partisain politics and thats what both these pieces are... - Mabu, on 10/12/2007, -34/+45All those middle eastern countries should be left alone so they can kill each other off. Including Israel, who can't seem to get along with any of its neighbors. They all hate each other. Let them kill each other. Let's stop giving THREE F8CKING BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR of taxpayer money to Israel! I have no more sympathy for Israel than I do Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia or any of these oppressive regimes.
- numberonedad, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Mactard, Americans should be ashamed of the a bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a word for the killing of civilians for political ends (ie the surrender of Japan, the destruction of Israel)...it's terrorism. Why does no one consider that the nation most likely to use nuclear weapons in the future is the only one that has in the past?
- dherman, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23As much as I am for "Regime" change in Iran. The populace is INNOCENT of the madness thier leadership is creating. I am all for Nuke 'em till you glow if the society as a whole is to blame. You can't kill millions of people who's only crime is being trapped in a facist regime
- BassMastr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Have no problem with the source...I'm asking for proof...
"An intelligence source suggested that Ardeshire Hassanpour, 44, a nuclear physicist, had been assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli security service."
This is not proof. First it's an unnamed source. Which means nothing. And even if a intelligence source said Israel did it. That still wouldn't be proof. Or at least not the normal open minded person's idea of proof.
Actually thank you for providing additional articles. Now you can go read five more times where it says...
"The Iranian reports did not say how or where Hassanpour was poisoned but his death was said to have been announced at a conference on nuclear safety."
If they knew who did it they would know how and where... Thanks for proving my point. Thanks for playing, but come back when you have PROOF not accusations.
I never said Israel wasn't guilty. There is a long list of suspects. It could be Americans, it could be Saudis, it could Jordanians, Russia has gone on record to say they don't want to see a nuclear Iran. - LuciferChaos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9You can get to the story by clicking the link "Switch to Global Edition" and then clicking the link to the "Iranian Nuclear Scientist 'assassinated by Mossad'" story, but the actual link at the top of the Digg page for this story only takes you to the front page of the Times Online UK Edition. Perhaps the poster can fix the link so that it links directly to the Iranian story...
- foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Those are not sources, they're all citing the same Stratfor paper.
- Geckomind, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18shug7272:
"Not gonna shed a tear... not one. If we were Isreal, surrounded by people that hate us and spend night and day trying to figure out how to destroy us... well hell Id hope my government would try to stop them before they kill my entire family in one foul swoop."
Of course you would. Since that would be much easier than thinking about what got you into that situation IN THE FIRST PLACE... - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -15/+24"Just a sign Israel is getting desperate. Israelis can't win wars on the battlefield any more so they go back to sneaking around like dirty rats."
Anyone else find this comment completely moronic? This summer was so difficult for them because they attacks were all being launched from civilian areas of Lebanon, severely restricting Israeli responses. Personally, I think it's rather cowardly to use civilians as shields by hiding your forces, much like "dirty rats" hide in the walls of urban areas. However, when Israel strikes like this, they're sneaking around like "dirty rats." - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14equally disturbing is the tendency to label any opinion that is remotely critical of israel's actions as anti-semitic. it's like saying someone hates christians if they don't support the bush administration.
- sorbix, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18Great, now Israel is killing scientists for the POTENTIAL threat of their research.
I can't believe so many of you claim to be intelligent people yet support the assassination of a SCIENTIST.
Time to wake up and smell the propaganda... Iran is not pure Evil hell-bent on nuking everyone. - givemereplay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I hope that some day America will hold Israel to the same standard that it holds other nations.
- LuciferChaos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The link for this story just takes me to the front page of the Times Online UK Edition, not to the "Iranian Nuclear Scientist 'assassinated by Mossad'" story. Anyone else having this problem? I'd like to read the actual article so I can decide whether or not to Digg it...
- CloakandSwagger, on 10/12/2007, -17/+24Good luck on trying to find out who "Rheva Bhalla of Stratfor" is.
A "US Intelligence COMPANY"?
Well, maybe that's all we need to know.
And the Radio Farda being funded by the U.S. State Department gives a clear indication of how the information is being controlled.
Who and/or what is "Rheva Bhalla of Stratfor"?
What BUSINESS do they have in this matter?
It's an act of provocation either way you slice it.
But who and/or what is really responsible?
Is the Rheva Bhalla of Stratfor just another U.S. State Department. front for military contractors?
And if that's the case, who's to say their mercenaries weren't responsible for the assassination?
By blaming it on Mossad, it provokes Iran to take some kind of action against Israel, thereby allowing the US to engage in war with Iran as they always wanted. - compucomp2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8If the KGB/FSB executed a British or French nuclear scientist, what would be the reaction? "OMGZ THE HORRIBLE EVIL KGB IS OUT TO GET US ALL!!"
Stop being hypocritical. If you're going to cheer on Israel's assassination/terrorist act, then don't be pissed when the other side does it to you. Morons. - numberonedad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Iran is very far away from a nuke.
See here:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=77751
for why military action against Iran would be disastrous for Israel, particularly this part:
(I'm also curious to know why it's always and everywhere considered "pro-Israel" to support military strikes that won't, in all likelihood, destroy Iran's nuclear program, but will, in all likelihood, destroy international support for sanctions on the country, entrench the more radical factions in Tehran, and make future conflicts in the Middle East more, rather than less, likely. As if opponents of such a thing are "anti-Israel.")
There's a good link in there to a study by the Cato Institute (NOT liberal) about why deterrence makes a helluva lot more sense then military action. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13"I don't think Iran was ever a problem before President Bush put it in his axis of evil list and dropped any dialogue with it."
Is that a troll? What a ***** ignorant statement, and jeers to ***** who dug you up. I'm as anti-Bush as anyone here, but try doing some reading, *****. Ask Salman Rushdie if "Iran was ever a problem." While you're at it, try googling "Iran hostage crisis" and you might learn that it's been a long time since either side has talked to each other. I'm against going to war with Iran and very skeptical of anything coming from the US government, but your knee jerk is inexcusably ill-informed. - Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@masterm1nd: "The guy makes nukes with the sole purpose of wiping you, me, and millions of others off the planet..."
Who says that? The people who are certified liars, those who take your civil liberties with wrong pretenses, the people who made an unjust war in Iraq killing 600000 Iraqis and 2500 Americans? Why should you believe these people more than Ahmadinejad who says he's building nuclear plants instead of bombs? I'm not saying that Iran's President says the truth he may very well lying too, but -at least- has not be proved to be dangerous, unlike those you vow your support. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+18Mmkay. When you're ready to have a real discussion, the adults will be seated to the left.
- foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Sorry, bubalah, but by saying "keep attacking the messenger" do you mean Nasrallah? Cause he's the one sending the clear message that he's in deep ***** because of his "victory"...
"Every arab nation knows Israel's a paper tiger."
And yet...it stands and prospers...hmmm. Makes one wonder.
Erikf please don't feel personally attacked. You're not that important. - krbrowning, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Do you even know what Stratfor is? Its a private intelligence company, like Jane's. Its no secret who their writers are and with a little googling you could find out. or you could just rant like paranoid nut job.
- numberonedad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I can't tell if this is a joke or not - Russia and China have been the main roadblocks to significant sanctions etc. They would be overwhelmingly opposed to military action against Iran, as would most of the world community.
- hadees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@LuciferChaos,
And my response to you is there is no proof Israel is actually doing that. Those "sources" are as reliable as the claim in this article that Israel killed the scientist. With out anything to back it up you still haven't proven anything.
Me on the other does have proof that Israel has great restraint when it comes to using their rumored nuclear weapons. In 1973 Israel fought the Yom Kippur War in which a coalition of Arab nations led by Egypt and Syria surprised attacked Israel on one of the Jew's holiest days. For the first 24–48 hours Israel was loosing and being pushed back. They eventually turned things around and won the war but the fact Israel didn't just nuke the Arab nations I think is proof Israel has great restraint when it comes to the use of nuclear weapons.
Even if the rumors of this attack are true I doubt anyone but the top members of the military would even know they are training for nuclear weapons. More then likely what ever training that is being leaked is prep for a conventional weapons attack on Iran. Which is normal given the fact the military needs to be prepared for all possible outcomes. So that if Israel eventually feels it has no other choice but to strike Iran's nuclear sites then the military is prepared to execute those orders. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13I call *****. This is way too ready-for-consumption. Note that the story ultimately relies on "Iranian reports" for its source, and is backed up by a private intelligence firm with a questionable track record. (Check Sourcewatch.com on Stratfor.) Remember that the American government isn't the only one capable of manipulating the press, and the Iranians are very clever people. Sounds like the latest move in the propaganda chess match between Iran and Israel/America, if you ask me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Israel plops itself on TOP of another country and thinks its justified. As far as I'm concerned the Israeli's are way more oppressive than Iran.
- numberonedad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Conversely, the research group Minorities at Risk (MAR) characterizes Israel's system of governance to be an "ethnic democracy", and notes that "the nationalism inherent in Israel’s foundation as a 'Jewish state' is at odds with its political basis of democratic governance vis-à-vis the Arab minority."
http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/inscr/mar/assessment.asp?groupId=66601 - captjc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6No I digg you down because you are a racist, close-minded fool that has nothing insightful to say. Racism isn't an argument, it is just the ignorant ramblings from an uneducated dolt.
If you have an actual valid argument, please post it. If not, please just go back to your clan meeting and leave the rest of us alone. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Gee, I could fix this by writing my own story faster than all that.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Geckomind wrote: "Of course you would. Since that would be much easier than thinking about what got you into that situation IN THE FIRST PLACE..."
What the hell are you talking about?
"Moreover, "Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel" were offered "full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions" in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel; many, however, refused. In addition, the entire Jewish population of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was either killed, captured, or expelled by Arab armies. Many also fled to Israel."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_immigration - davecor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@ Flawless2c
"Iran has never said it wants to wipe Israel of the map"
CNN begs to differ; http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/
So does the Telegraph; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/27/wiran27.xml
And the BBC has a story about Arab media's dismay over the quote ; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4389968.stm
(I doubt the ARAB papers mis-translated it)
Please give supporting evidence to your claim he never said that - the preponderance of evidence seems to be against you. - numberonedad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@captjc
"I also ask you to consider who really is more inclined to use nuclear force: one who has used it in the past and has learned the horrible lessons of the past or one who has spent billions of dollars in devising their technological terrors and has plenty of grudges they are itching to settle."
I remind you that the US alone spends over half of the military spending on the entire planet. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
Note that Iran is number 20. We too have grudges (see: Iraq).
"I disagree. First I don't see why we Americans should be ashamed of using the A-Bombs on Japan. I do not agree to the whole "sins of the fathers" scenario. We are talking about something that happened decades before most of us on here were born. It is like saying all white people should be ashamed of slavery. It is something that happened long ago and we had no say in."
Perhaps I didn't put it properly: instead of saying that we should be ashamed (although I am), I'll say that we should more generally learn from our mistakes in the past. I'm ashamed because we live in a society in which many people still have no problem with the murder of over 200,000 civilians. At the time the bombs were dropped Japan was NOT by any means a real military threat to the territorial US. Do you disagree with my definition of terrorism? You didn't address it - I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki fit it perfectly.
The notion that every Japanese citizen was to blame was a complete lie. Hirohito's Japan was a very repressive society.
"We could also consider the effects of what happened when we dropped it. While it is sad that so many innocent civilians died in the blasts...men, women, and children, consider that if we did had to take Japan by conventional force, many more casualties would have resulted. The Japanese are very great warriors who would have fought in the streets to the last man was down if it came down to it. The resulting horrors also brought the awesome power and awful terrors of what nuclear weapons can inflict."
Do you have any citations for this? How on earth do you know that "many more casualties would have resulted"? The image of every Japanese citizen as a bloodthirsty Kamikaze is offensive and, frankly, racist. From here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
"While commonly perceived that volunteers signed up in droves for Kamikaze missions, it has also been contended that there was extensive coercion and peer pressure involved in recruiting soldiers for the sacrifice. Their motivations in "volunteering" were complex and not simply about patriotism or bringing honour to their families."
Here is also very good on the motivations of the kamikaze pilots:
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/619508.html - pennyfan87, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"jews and israelis have infested digg"
And when did using Hitler-esque cliques become tolerated on Digg? - pennyfan87, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Yet they admit that they want to wipe Israel off the map...
Get with the program. Science is not inherently good. It depends what its used for. Iran has made its goals clear. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Good move Israel this is really going to help relations.Yep next Iran will kill one of their guys in revenge and before you know it both countries will be at war.
This is a good example of how not to handle a problem very unacceptable the US didn't go around killing Russian scientists. - n0sferatu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The link doesn't seem to be working anymore, here is a working one from the same source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1324321.ece
- Thadster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Funny, I am not a Jew nor an Israeli, yet I support Israel.
Am I an infestation? Or is that just your Nazi tendencies coming through? - flawless2c, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5sockpuppets, again you are another hapless victim of a strong propaganda machine. Please, wake up, do reasearch learn.
Ahamdinejad never said Israel should be wiped off the map. And Ahmadinejad again, does not have any kind of power in the Iranian governmental system to do much. All final decision lie in the hand of the supreme leader Khamenai who has been in power for the past 17 years! Again, Ahmadinejad was democratically elected and well be democratically put away. After his conference about the holocaust, that same president saw his candidates get wiped out by voters in the Parliamentary elections. These are dangerous times and please learn who the real enemy is! - AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9yes evil-doer how did all these joooooooooos sneak in!
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Your name is evil-doer. I'm digging you down on that alone, it makes me feel all superhero inside.
- flawless2c, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6LonesomFighter you make me laugh.
I speak as someone who has been to Iran many times. I will tell you that Iran has more bloggers than any country in the Middle East. Iran is a country that gets more access to Western media than you yourself in America probably do. Millions upon millions of Iranian have satellites dishes which give them access to hundred of anti-Iranian government opposition channels, as well as all Western media (bbc, cnn, etc.) Believe me, the average Iranian is much more open-minded and knowledgeable about the world than a typical American. Iran is a country where women vote, hold office, are the majority of its university students and are fully integrated into the work force. Iran has semi-democratic election in which there is a President elected and a Parliament. Believe me LonesomeFighter, you know nothing about Iran, and the fact that you are so passionatley ready to support bombing of this country scares me. This shows that this Western propaganda machine is infecting simple minds such as yourself. - noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"it's not an ad hominem attack if it is true."
Bzzzt! Wrong! You lose!
Ad hominem has nothing to do with the truth value of the statement; it is the logical fallacy of trying to refute an argument by attacking the speaker. For example:
"Michael Moore says gays should have equal rights, but he's just being a loony leftist propagandist."
"You think that 11+11 is not 1111? Well...um...you're stupid!"
Et cetera. -
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