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- hbyrne, on 06/15/2009, -3/+38Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
- rikwakefield, on 06/15/2009, -1/+30***** censorship.
- dtele, on 06/15/2009, -0/+12Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has ordered an investigation into claims of fraud in last week's presidential election.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/story/0,22049,256 ... - misterparry, on 06/15/2009, -3/+13This really pisses me off.
- mutz, on 06/15/2009, -5/+14Power + Religion = FAIL on human rights...
- NoLibertarians, on 06/15/2009, -10/+18It's sad to see this garbage going on in Iran. It's even more sad to see Diggers constantly babbling about how oppressed they are in this country. They simply have no idea what a police state or oppression is all about. They need a vacation to Iran to get back in touch with the real world
- inactive, on 06/15/2009, -2/+9You aren't going to see anti-government protests in North Korea.
- zyklon, on 06/15/2009, -0/+7I was logged out when I first read the comments, and it said "****** censorship". Awesome.
- akimbo, on 06/15/2009, -1/+7This is apparently a kidnapping of students by the iranian secret police... looks like they don't quite enjoy students doing some thoughtcrimes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwo_qx4Gq1I - awtripp, on 06/15/2009, -0/+6Well, they should considering they qualify presidential candidates to run as well as oversee the elections.
- forewarned7, on 06/15/2009, -2/+8call me crazy, but perhaps this is the very kind of thing we DON'T want to happen in this country?
Just cause it's not as bad here as it is there, yet, doesn't mean we should just sit back and watch it go there. - inactive, on 06/15/2009, -3/+8The Ba'ath Party was very secular.
- Beautyon, on 06/15/2009, -3/+8Iran Elections + Twitter + Digg = "Welcome to Operation AJAX 2.0"
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&se ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'é ...
THAT is why the Iranian government are taking these measures. You and I may not like it, but any reasonable person would like the prospect of the USA interfering in Iran's election process less. - awtripp, on 06/15/2009, -2/+7I have my doubts whether any real investigation actually happens. I think he's just trying to appease the Guardian Council more than anything.
- GaltShrugged, on 06/15/2009, -6/+11Looks like it's Tiananmen Square Iran addition.
- lemur, on 06/15/2009, -1/+5@inactive Logic fail:
A: If a powerful body is religious, then human rights will be abused.
B: Human rights were abused, therefore the power is religious.
It's called affirming the consequent, and that's not what he's saying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequ ...
Also it's worth pointing out that technically it is possible for a religious institution to respect human rights, although the Abrahamic faiths have a bad track record in this area, and they're not the only ones that do. It just depends on the beliefs of the individuals who are running the institution, although you could argue that all state powers are inherently violent and coercive, therefore all states abuse human rights in some way. - GaltShrugged, on 06/15/2009, -1/+5Whoops. Edition
- Recoil, on 06/15/2009, -2/+6"They need a vacation to Iran to get back in touch with the real world"
I don't know about you but suicide isn't really my cup of tea. - Solkre, on 06/15/2009, -2/+5Setting my neighbors car on fire will surely teach then!
We have courts for this kind of thing. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/15/2009, -5/+8Awwww, the PressTV website is down. Now how am I supposed to get my Iranian state controlled propaganda?
http://www.presstv.ir/ - avengingturnip, on 06/15/2009, -1/+3No, what they were saying about Iran last week was that it is a country with an entire population of wild-eyed terrorists who want nothing more than to kill Americans.
- JohnnySoftware, on 06/17/2009, -0/+2Bit of history.
The first thing the Iranian "revolutionaries" did in the late 1970s was take over the US embassy and look around the city for Americans to kidnap, torture, kill, and ransom.
They were rewarded eventually with a big cargo plane load of military weapons, including missiles - so their efforts in the kidnap/ransom area did pay off.
This has long been public knowledge through official disclosures that took place during Iran-Contragate hearings convened by the US Congress a couple of decades ago.
The second thing they did was kill their political opponents by hanging them in the public square in Tehran, the capital. Constantly. For a year.
This was widely covered in the world & US media several decades ago. If you were not alive then or were not in school yet, that is doubtless why you are not aware this occurred.
Speaking of the Iranian National Guard, they have been in the news again a bit of late themselves.
1. http://www.cfr.org/publication/14324/
2. http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler ...
Before you trash the US with vague condemnation over interfering in something they are not interfering with, you might want to consider the subject matter itself. Iranian politics in the past several decades has been no spring garden of pretty flowers and gentle butterflies!
There has been a lot of bloodshed there over the past three decades and the US was not the instigator but one of the victims. Americans and Iranians were dying in the same city at the same time. Dying by the same Iranian organization's hands.
Iran's CURRENT government system sprang from THAT organization. Not by nuanced sociology by any US agency or company.
The people I saw in the video footage this week were probably not even alive when the violence their government was born in took place. All they see are what its fruits have been.
The Iranian economy is not going strong.
Last I heard, after half a century or more of being an oil producer they are still not a gasoline manufacturer. Tehran is however one of the most heavily air polluted cities caused by automobiles. That cannot be very pleasant.
To say some of their authorities, including the President who just ran for reelection - have dampened the entertainment/music industry there would be a gross understatement. [1]
Public executions still occur outdoors in Iranian streets. Seeing people killed on a street might not make them think, "I could never throw a rock on such a calm, quiet street." So the streets are no strangers to violence.
The population of Iran has more than doubled in the past three decades [2]. The now numerous youth have bridled at the growing restrictions imposed on them.
Music bans, Internet shutdowns, unending economic slump, etc. - are not winning their hearts.
They seem to have flouted the music restriction. However, that means that a schism has arisen between what the Iranian youth see as right/wrong and the current leadership. If they were thrown a bone to make up for making it illegal to listen to European/American music, I must have missed it.
The fact some are taking to the streets and burning cars and throwing rocks is not heartening.
But this is the same thing that happened in the region over a few cartoons and few authorities in that section of the world expressed great dissatisfaction with that behavior - just the cartoons. [3] Seems like that was a missed opportunity.
There have been many, many, many sanctioned public rallies and protests in the streets of Tehran for decades. They often included burning things.
Maybe when you train a sizable population to riot on cue, sometimes they do not wait for the cue to perform. If they are really pissed off, they might do it with a lot more vigor when it was all for show or political pep rallies.
And if they were not doing it on cue back then, then maybe back then was the time to be concerned about it - not now when it has become ingrained in the modern culture. It would have been nice to see someone step in and calm things down back during the cartoon fiasco.
Anyway, the US did not do those things I mention. Iranians did those things to Iranians. Hopefully, when this is over they can heal and stop the practice of public demonstration in the streets and burning things during them.
src:
[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4543720.stm
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran
[3] http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/08/cartoo ... - lemur, on 06/15/2009, -0/+2Our censorship is a lot more insidious and complicated... theirs is quite simple and innocent. :p
- inactive, on 06/15/2009, -2/+4And what happens when the supreme court makes the wrong choice?
Pacifism gets you nowhere. - DouglasQ, on 06/15/2009, -7/+9I think you put far more thought into my comment than I did.
- vbullinger, on 06/15/2009, -2/+4He has no logic: he's just a big-government, nanny state, big brother loving troll. Look at his name: NoLibertarians?!? He's 100% pure troll. He trolls all day long.
- pukiman, on 06/15/2009, -0/+2Man, how lazy are the spammers these days. Not even bothering to switch usernames.
- BLyday, on 06/15/2009, -0/+2To quote Serenity: You can't stop the signal.
- DankBuddz, on 06/15/2009, -2/+4Okay, so since some other country has it worse we shouldn't be concerned about rights in our own country?
Not following that logic at all. - alexender, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1First for all those BLIND WESTERN media fans here is the truth to get your facts right:
- This is not about who won elections its about was it an opportunity for WEST and CIA to inject their propaganda
- Ahmadinejad is a conservative group head
- Mousavi is a less conservative group head , and NOT a SECULAR or LIBERAL something group head (he himself and his family actively participated in 79 revolution) and here lies the trick:
Since WESTERN gov dont find anyone suitable PERSON to fit their design of destabilizing IRAN, like they did in IRAQ and PAKISTAN since IRAN is pretty much one sect and one nation with one ideology and complete unity they started misleading the TRUE western viewership into believing that Mousavi is actually a LIBERAL or SECULAR or some WESTERN-suited politicians. This way they first tried to pose him as a Freedom fighter or liberator or something.
This was a political fight between a conservative and a less conservative person, thats it.
While thousand of innocents die more deadly and tragic death due to USA and UK bombings in IRAQ,AFGHANISTAN and drone attacks in PAKISTAN the WESTERN media is least interested in any such news and nor willing to show any such footage even if it mistakenly mentions them.
Here they are running 24x7 footage of these protest, repeating them again and again and doing their own commentary in order to brainwash the WESTERN audience to put IRAN as a DEMON and the protesters as some holy angels. I have carefully observed their words and the way they are almost GUIDING these protesters as to what to do next, where to gather, how to re-group etc. And they are even educating them on ways and means to protest e.g they are telling that the protesters should protest on 3rd 7th and 40th day of the first death on 18th. Similarly they are in search of every tiny bit of NEWs that can go against IRAN as a state. e.g they keep repeating that 4 IRANIAN players showed sympathy with protesters. Back on May 12 2007 , 50 innocents were brutally murdered in broad day light in KARACHI , PAKSITAN by the MQM , an ally party of President MUSHARRAF who is a WESTERN puppet but the WESTERN media (except for the first 3 days and only for few minutes in main news) was least bothered to follow it up because it was not a good opportunity to cash their WESTERN interest.
There are even reports of WESTERN media showing pro-Ahmadinejad rallies as pro-Mousavi rallies and following link is one such proof:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-caught-in-mass-pub ...
Who konws may be NEDA was killed by one of the anti-gov rioter's gun. But we can see how well they manipulate the story.
Welcome to the world of MASS MEDIA DECEPTION !! - JohnnySoftware, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1The MSNBC article this post links to says that the BBC found jamming of its signals affecting the Middle East - and even parts of Europe - started on Friday (election day) and continued on to at least Sunday - growing stronger, in fact. The source of the jamming throughout the region was traced to a spot in Iran, it says.
Probably Europeans are not going to sit by while there own entertainment and news is shut down by some foreign power. If there was a way to piss off the public, politicians, corporations, and the media all at once - this was a master stroke of doing just that.
It also says that within Iran, authorities shut down cell phones, texting, and Twitter. Pretty sure that is not making people happy. Maybe it is stuff like that which is raising people's ire and keeping it raised. It's like saying they cannot be trusted with or don't deserve the same technological comforts that people throughout the rest of the world enjoy. No one is going to go along with that.
From the footage I saw, Iran does have a problem with arsonists but burning things has been a staple of Iranian rallies for years. It is just not flags or effigies this time. But those flags and things were probably just a gateway to the current bouts of arson. - JohnnySoftware, on 06/16/2009, -0/+1Unless I don't understand the chain-of-command in Iran very well, it sounded like what the leader did was "suggest" or "allow a request" for an investigation - by the plaintiff. That is not the same thing as giving an order.
Different subject. Anyone else notice that articles/dispatches about Iran have gotten mighty short in the past day or so?
I mean, there is not enough enough text there to hang an ad next to.
Oh, wait. They did. A lot of ads. In fact, 300% more space is taken up on that page by ads than by the text in the body of the article. - lemur, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1What? It's not down. Also, I find PressTV to be a good news source when reporting about "normal" news, although I don't trust it when it comes to stuff like this. They did very good pre-election coverage and even appeared to support Mousavi, although since the day after the election they got very quiet... probably being careful about reporting on "chaos."
- Solkre, on 06/15/2009, -1/+2As much as I'd love to think I know everything. I think hose who sit on the supreme court might have a better grip on the law.
My power lies with my vote, and will to mobilize others to my PEACEFUL cause. - Recoil, on 06/15/2009, -2/+3Ah, sweet irony...
- lemur, on 06/15/2009, -1/+2At least the Guardian Council is interested in investigation!
- Gemfinder, on 06/16/2009, -0/+1It's gone viral.
Viruses mutate in response to control measures.
Pass it on! - Gemfinder, on 06/16/2009, -0/+1#iranelection has been blocked, migrate to #iran9.
- ray4389, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1Comrade, we must support our big brother. Please do not let the ministry of love hear this absurd though.
*****! They are coming for you now!
I agree, we must fight to protect our freedoms and regain some of those that are lost. - ray4389, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1I agree in full with your comment. In addition to your point, I will bring up a contrast between America pre-WWI and now. Sure, certain aspects of our lives can be seen as better--industry is safer for workers, etc, but at the same time, our privacy is moving towards "glass walls" where you can't be private. Some things we did on our own (i.e. posting publicly online), but others are government mandated by so-called representatives. Just because a person won an election, it doesn't mean that all their choices are even representative of the people. People voted for Bush and the majority of the US disliked his actions.
We need to stand up to avoid becoming like Iran, Korea, etc. - apetrie, on 06/15/2009, -2/+3Stop making everything about yourself and your own country. Shut up and GTFO of the thread.
- akimbo, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&pre ...
looks like some student is worse for wear
(One of the picture apparently shows a student who looks to be shot... can't tell) - rw2y, on 06/15/2009, -2/+3NO matter what source we in the west get this news, it should be clear to all that Iran is not a "free" nation by any standard of democracy. I often use "Freedom House" ranking as my source and I am sure that these recent actions will show freedom on significant decline in Iran.
- awtripp, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1On how the Guardian Council is formed --
"The Iranian constitution calls for the council to be composed of six Islamic jurists, "conscious of the present needs and the issues of the day to be selected" by the Supreme Leader of Iran, and six jurists, "specializing in different areas of law, to be elected by the Majlis from among the Muslim jurists nominated by the Head of the Judicial Power,"[2] (who, in turn, is also appointed by the supreme leader)." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_guardians)
Somtimes all you need is to create the illusion of Democracy. The Supreme Leader controlls every aspect of the Iranian government; there are no real checks and balances. - shrudheuie, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1Nothing says legitimate like not allowing people to even discuss the election. Way to go Iranian government. The rest of the world is convinced. If the riots are any indication, I am sure your population is convinced as well. It is a shame really. I have met many Iranians in my life and they have nearly all been awesome people. It is unfortunate that they way they became such wonderful people was by surviving under such a ***** up government. On the other hand, maybe that means that the kids of this last decade will grow up to become America's next greatest generation despite the Jonas Brothers and whatever crap MTV is showing.
- masamunecyrus, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1...Shortly after he unconditionally congratulated Ahmadinejad over his victory before the results were even in.
- CycloneHog, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1I'm not sure what I would do without Facebook for a day!
- yeahpurn, on 06/15/2009, -0/+0plasticfrakture, wrong choice according to who?
thats the reason. - Mike17102, on 06/15/2009, -1/+1I know diggiots love to pitch hissy fits when they dont get their way, but thats really not the same thing as a stolen election.
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