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- brvandal, on 05/26/2009, -5/+76I couldnt agree more.
- ProgressNow, on 05/26/2009, -7/+66Ouch... When someone who has firsthand knowledge like this speaks out against you, you know you're in trouble. - Advice to Cheney. Get a good lawyer. - I heard Johnny Cochran might be available.
- MoisesFG2, on 05/26/2009, -5/+63I hope the US justice find a way to prosecute former VP Cheney for crime of war as he was the master mind behind this torture techniques that already cause USA soldiers and civilians deaths and as this interrogator explain will cause some more because we did spark the motivation that terrorist need in order to perpetrate their violent crimes.
I think that it will be better for Mr. Cheney not to speak anymore, he is making to much trouble with his agendas, I think it is more than enough what he have done. I repeat, I hope the US justice department find a way to prosecute him in a court of law for crimes against humanity and war crimes. - sheasie, on 05/26/2009, -5/+53As much as I think it is important to remind people that torture is a "net loss", it must also be acknowledged that we have known that torture is a net loss for hundreds of years.
Most recently, America sentenced Japanese soldiers to death for water boarding American troops during WWII. Is Cheney now also saying that America was wrong to sentence those war criminals to death ?!! ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Cheney is a war criminal, and it is disgusting to think that he is free to roam our streets. - buckrogers1965, on 05/27/2009, -5/+43Anyone that orders torture should be given a fair trial and if found guilty should be hung from the neck until they are dead.
Former Army officer. Life long conservative. From a family that has served in every conflict for the past 60 years. - identityxcrysis, on 05/27/2009, -5/+34While you're entitled to your opinion, your choice of speech and insults really just help to prove our point of the arrogance and the ill-intelligence of your side.
- tonytheobald, on 05/26/2009, -6/+32This guy keeps running his mouth. His arrogance is amazing.
Jail is a good place for him. He and his ilk have it all wrong.
The latest celebrity couldn't ;ast more than 7 seconds being waterboarded. - algaeturd, on 05/27/2009, -3/+26Let him speak? He's the ex-vice president of the United States. He can go to any media outlet that he wants at any time he wants to be heard.
I say MAKE him speak, which is a huge difference.
Make him speak at the Hague during his trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
That's what I say. - inactive, on 05/27/2009, -5/+25If we don't know how the information saved lives than we can't bloody well verify that it has you dolt. I see your reasoning as tainted by blind obedience.
- CosmicSurfer, on 05/26/2009, -4/+23Unfortunately, Johnny Cochran is dead (2005 - Brain Tumor)...but then he wouldn't have Cheney for a client.....
....Cheney needs to go live in Super Max but then we need to hold him accountable and no one seems to have the balls to do that - mrsteveman1, on 05/27/2009, -0/+17Naive....you're saying both he, and the INTERROGATOR this story is about, are wrong....is that it?
- Headinawheel, on 05/27/2009, -4/+21And you absolutely dismissed everything that a man who has -actual- experience just said. As in, this man is responsible for the discovery and ending of one of the most brutal and evil men in the world - not through torture, but through interrogation sans "enhancement".
- identityxcrysis, on 05/27/2009, -5/+20Not once did I dispute your facts. Only your intelligence and choice of insults. You're only further proving my point.
- ciphun, on 05/27/2009, -1/+16No, I'm quite sure you couldn't be more naive. You run off of a position of being scared and using that to justify preempting an attack, even if it means torturing someone who hasn't even been proven to have done something wrong. As much as I am against torture, I hope you never have to find out what it's like to be unjustly tortured for information you most likely don't have, because I bet you'd have a different opinion if you were to survive. Person's with your mentality never "get it" until you have it done to you, then you whine off the handle about being unfairly treated. I suppose your position is best understood, when you come from the position of considering people from select countries less than human, because that's the only way you could be so callous. This isn't about you or others with your line of thinking being patriots (because you're not) or honoring our country (because you aren't), this is simply blind hatred leading blind values.
- m3arvk, on 05/27/2009, -3/+17Morons like you are the reason why this country is in the ***** it's in currently.
- fury420, on 05/27/2009, -2/+15so, poprocks.... what's the difference between hearsay and an expert witness? could it perhaps be the person's qualifications, knowledge of & experience in the subject at hand?
Somehow the lead interrogator for the US Army's efforts in Iraq is no longer a credible witness OR an expert on interrogation tactics simply because he contradicts Dick Cheney? I see...
and I really like all those examples of collaboration you list off there, it contrasts quite nicely with the nazi appeasement style sentiment you display with your whole "just let the war crimes go already" argument - ceredron, on 05/27/2009, -2/+15I have a marine friend who has some really choice things to say and do to Cheney. He lost a few good guys over there, and when it came to down to why, turns out one didn't have the "right equipment". Everybody seems to forget how many Americans died at the beginning of this war because they didn't have crotch guards, or leg guards... because the blackwater guards and the contractors were getting the bush administration's money. ***** *****.
- JoeMondo, on 05/27/2009, -3/+15Cheney has a long track record of ***** ups.
Through his negligence, and that of his puppet George, we were hit on 911. He was certain there were WMDs. He was certain the war would end in weeks. He was certain we'd be greeted as liberators.
And some dumb ***** still trust the guy. - ceredron, on 05/27/2009, -3/+14haha Roamer, if you have proof that waterboarding saved anybody's lives, I'll apologize for how darkly I'm laughing at your idiocy.
When you think you're about to die, you'll probably say anything. That's the ***** point, retard. You're not very bright, are you.
f.e. you think you're ***** dying. Dude says "if you just tell us where they are, we'll stop". You don't actually know, so instead of DYING you say "OVER THAT MOUNTAIN OVER THERE".
Nobody is over that mountain.
hence, why torture is a bad way to get information. - inactive, on 05/27/2009, -0/+11Have you ever thought about pride in humanity? Or is being American the end-all of all arguments for you? Because if it is, you're not naive, just ignorant.
- SifuMoKung, on 05/27/2009, -2/+13I don't recall anything in that video that identifies the interrogator as liberal. He might be a Republican, like me, that respects the rule of law and will criticize war criminals of ANY political affiliation. That's why Republicans are imploding. If you don't walk, talk, and act like a robot - you must be a liberal!
- AmazingSteve, on 05/27/2009, -0/+9"I don't consider people from other countries less than human. I consider them less than American.
It's called pride in your country."
There's so much wrong with that kind of thinking that I don't even know where to begin. - dixon1e, on 05/27/2009, -3/+12Read this article on Reagan's push to identify and isolate our enemies by associating them with torture. And remember how much Americans (not just Republicans) swear by Reagan when you read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/reagans ...
Torture was what our "enemies" did during the Cold War, remember? Torture made it easy for our government to raise public awareness that our enemies needed to be defeated no matter the cost. In many ways, Cheney is not just guilty of actual torture crimes committed, but he is mostly guilty of being _really_ bad at his job for allowing our so-called enemies to have such a huge propaganda victory. Under any other circumstance, he should have been impeached for pure incompetence for getting our country and our soldiers in such a mess.
FTA: "Reagan fought for the passage of the U.N. Convention on Torture and made the U.S. a signatory to it in 1984." Read on. - Suzilla, on 05/27/2009, -0/+8And another 100 diggs up for you were I so able.
- choochee, on 05/27/2009, -4/+12Cheney is a sociopath.
- SifuMoKung, on 05/27/2009, -1/+9Your grammar is torture.
- beautifulady, on 05/27/2009, -3/+11Explain how we saved lives. It has been revealed that the FBI got the good information through non-torture methods. How do you rationalize torture as being legitimate?
Go have yourself waterboarded and get back to us on how it felt. Maybe someday when you're arrested without a warrant and not charged with a crime and thrown into some secret gulag and not permitted to call your wife, your friends or your lawyer, you just might get the experience, so it doesn't hurt to practice, does it? - AmazingSteve, on 05/27/2009, -2/+9I see Rush has boiled it down to 3 simple talking points so they can be repeated ad nausium. Proof or it didn't happen.
- DougChristian, on 05/27/2009, -4/+11The interrogator is right 100%. There is not even a discussion to be had about it. This is simply a test of humanity. Dick Cheney is not human. And terrifyingly, 35% of our fellow Americans are not human either. God save our souls.
- Skwerl, on 05/27/2009, -2/+9The main problem with torture apologists like you is that you feel the laws of our nation, as well as international law that we agreed to follow should only apply when it's convenient.
Torturers torture because they're sociopaths, they don't don't need a reason. - ceredron, on 05/27/2009, -0/+7dear god, you're right fredlester, my marine friend angry about his dead buddies isn't real and I should shut my mouth. Nevermind that those dead guys went to my high school, and although I never really knew them that well, they're actually dead, or that the report about that one guy's death reported it as a clean KIA, while my friend Phil (the marine) told me his crotch was ***** blown to pieces and he ended up bleeding to death while medics just tried their best to pick up the pieces.
You're right, you're the only one with a story, and my mouth will stay quiet. And I've never heard of politically active war veterans, either. ***** those guys, though, right? They're just unpatriotic sons of bitches who think too much, right? - jaymzdean, on 05/27/2009, -2/+9"As leaders, isn't that our job?
To make rational decisions apart from our emotions on dark days?
Isn't why we're entrusted with those responsibilities?
I know when I took an oath as a military officer, there was no language in my oath of office about sunny or dark days.
It said that I would defend the Constitution on ALL days."
Yes, it does, Matthew...yes it does. - tgc1, on 05/27/2009, -1/+8That's a real fine choice of words you've put together there. Did you clear all the chimps out of the room or did you actually type it?
- ApokalypseNow, on 05/27/2009, -0/+7@LoneRanger85
According to the Suspension Clause in Article I of the Constitution, it doesn't matter what citizenship they have - they are entitled to the same rights as Americans as long as they are in the custody of this nation. The torture was happening on US military bases, considered US soil, and wherever the Constitution applies, it applies to everyone.
You like to claim a lot of things about the Constitution, but you don't know anything about it. - spaceman77, on 05/27/2009, -2/+9Shocked to see some diggers thinking Cheney ( and torture) have some kind of value. The act of torturing someone is very degrading and worthless. Cheney has all kinds of secrets too keep and is a pathological creep with a thin veneer of decency. How blind can you be?
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -2/+9R0am3r -- Keep spouting your *****. I hope your kind are done in the direction of this country. Your beliefs and your blind faith in ***** like Dick Cheney are the reasons for our current situation. Here's an FBI guy who was involved in the interrogations and he speaks out against torture. So what the hell do you know about it?
The Bush administration couldn't even act on the information leading up to 9/11 and suddenly we're to believe that Cheney's plan was effective? We're safe thanks to Cheney? Highly suspect.
And before you go blaming Obama (which is easy for you nuts to do, a few months in and suddenly Obama is to blame for everything from the crucifixion of Jesus to your Sunday newspaper being late) read up on why these ass-saving memos aren't released: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/cia- ... - Peekman, on 05/27/2009, -3/+10lol soar.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22838.ht ...
"The survey showed Cheney’s favorability rating spiking 8 percentage points since he left office in January, increasing from 29 percent to 37 percent." - MrXfromPlanetX, on 05/27/2009, -0/+6This is a good video. The one thing that frustrates me is how Robert Greenwald jumped on the lets elect Obama bandwagon. Sure people thought they could get him elected because the corporate media gave him more air time than any other candidate. That should have been a tip the corporate world that runs this country was behind him for some reason.
Even when Fox News was complaining about Obama they were covering him and presenting him as the electable candidate. If they wanted Kucinich to win, the would have bitched about him every day.
Binyam Mohamed was tortured by his genitals being sliced with a scalpel among other things http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/19/ ...
Barack Obama is maintaining Bush's state secrets policy to block his court case in the UK from going forward. People should have known something was fishy about Obama when he voted for the Reauth of the Patriot Act, and FISA.
Robert Greenwald, you helped people pull the wool over their own eyes and ignore this.
Now Obama is talking about "Preventive Detention" http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/22/ ...
Glenn Greenwald --
""The first President of the United States to introduce a preventive-detention law" is how Obama's own White House Counsel described him. Technically speaking, that is a form of change, but probably not the type that many Obama voters expected."
Do you really think he ever planned on closing Guantanamo Bay, if he brings this up within days of Congress blocking it's closure? Not only have we tortured people who have never been charged with any crime, and haven't committed a crime, but now we are talking about keeping them locked up. This is probably because they hate our guts so much for torturing them, even if they had not committed a crime before, they surely want to kill us now. - beautifulady, on 05/27/2009, -0/+6I agree. Not only will we see what we were, but we will be forced to ask ourselves, who do we want to be? Will we allow fear to rule our lives and push us from the higher ground into the gutter? That is what seems to have happened to Cheney.
- pimpofpixels, on 05/27/2009, -0/+6So. a professional interrogator and his testimony that our use of torture has been a key factor in the decisions of many of the insurgents to join in the fight against US forces in Iraq, which in turn causes more violence and casualties, does not constitute as a 'fact' to you.
Your problem is that you still get your 'facts' from a bunch of crooks, and write everything else off as opinion.
"Terrorists kill because they are killers. They don't need a reason."
Actually no. These aren't terrorists. Terrorists are people who terrorize people for political effect. These are people fighting against us on their own soil. They have every reason in the world to fight against us. You've just demonized these people into a paper-thin caricatures. They're fighting us because WE INVADED THEIR COUNTRY, and we should leave before we do any more damage to their lives and livelihoods and our own. - iliveincoto, on 05/27/2009, -2/+8Unfortunately for you, he is agreeing with someone who does have extensive knowledge and experience in this field.
- diptheria, on 05/27/2009, -1/+7Torture is not a political/partisan issue.
It is known as a war crime. Enough information has surfaced about what the US government has done on this subject that an investigation is warranted. If enough information is uncovered that specific individuals may be guilty of breaking the laws of the United States of America, then they should go before a judge and a jury of their peers to give their side of the story. Thats it. No politics. America stands by the rule of law, so I am told. If you choose to break the law because you feel it is unjust or unconstitutional, then expect to speak to your crimes in a court of law. This system is the supposedly the crown jewel of your government of the people, by the people, for the people. - buzznjackal, on 05/27/2009, -2/+8It was disproved that any lives were saved using waterboarding or any other "advanced interrogation techniques". Unless you have evidence that nobody else does.
- scottknick, on 05/27/2009, -3/+9It's valuable to have this testimony, but really not necessary. Of course the Abu Ghraib scandal helped radicalize the Iraqi street and fomented violence toward our soldiers. If another country invaded the U.S. and started releasing images like that, of Americans tortured and humiliated, wouldn't you be radicalized? Wouldn't it make it almost impossible for you be sympathetic to the invaders? C'mon, there's no mystery here. Torture endangers our troops -- it's one of the primary reasons we signed the Geneva Conventions in the first place.
- orlandogeek, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5@Roamer - you just made part of our point against you. If they are prisoners of war, they are protected by the Geneva Conventions and the UN Convention Against Torture, under both of which torture is illegal. Since waterboarding is an historically world recognized form of torture, those that performed it in the service of this country are war criminals. One thing we're inclined to agree on is that that includes this jackass and that the "following orders" crap is just that, crap.
- enantiodromia, on 05/27/2009, -4/+97/10
Now THAT is some good trolling. You young trolls have quite a lot to learn from this person, so pay attention. - AmazingSteve, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5French Whores are AWESOME!!
- buzznjackal, on 05/27/2009, -2/+7Excellent video. So many reasons why we shouldn't have used torture and should never use torture again.
- malex, on 05/27/2009, -1/+6Poprocks, unless you have some strongly compelling evidence that this man fabricated his wartime experience, he knows far more than you could possibly imagine about the war on terror. I hear a lot of accusations from you, like "paid spokesman" and "full of *****," but nothing in the way of these facts you claim to live by. Have you read his book? Any of the articles he's published? Did you even watch the video? My guess is no, but if I'm wrong, and you really aren't the ignorant, brain-stem jingoistic denialist you appear to be, by all means say so.
This man is twice the American you could ever hope to be. Hell, a bowl of salsa is twice the American you could ever hope to be. - SifuMoKung, on 05/27/2009, -3/+8Yeah, it's not nearly as important as a presidential blow-job.
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