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- macman2k, on 10/11/2007, -14/+59The real "tax-cheat" is the government which has passed unconstitutional income taxes that they use to regulate by taxation that which they have no authority to regulate by legislation.
If they are going to tax me on the sale of my "used" goods then I should be able to write off the original purchase or depreciate it like a business would! - resta6, on 01/12/2009, -14/+49I sure wish digg would display people's ages, that way I could ignore people like dshpls who have obviously haven't graduated high school
- DaveMode, on 10/11/2007, -14/+43It started as an innocent enough posting.... then you had to shove Ron Paul's balls in my face didn't you?
- PeppermintPig, on 10/11/2007, -5/+30The IRS is grasping at straws. If enough users become dissatisfied, another online auction site will become popular.
If eBay is going to become an employee of the IRS, then eBay should send them a bill for collecting that data. - bmwboy2844, on 10/11/2007, -10/+33@eksai
Not everyone who has yet to graduate from high school is a retard, just the vast majority ;)
@dshpls
Please do research before you post crap like that. - UtahApocalyse, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23If eBay complies with this then eBay will fall quickly and a site based out of the US will come up.
- rayxtime, on 10/11/2007, -9/+30***** the IRS!
- PeppermintPig, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24Probably something he said about abolishing the IRS? Just a guess...
- Pix869, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26@Davemode:
I know. I feel bad for Ron Paul, his balls must really ache from all the people on them.
However, as for Ebay, They should do the thing which they know is right, and not divulge such information without consent from the users. If the IRS wants to know income, they can ask the top-sellers themselves, at which point I hope their reply is "go ***** yourselves". - Kronos6948, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18What's next? Flea Markets?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18this is bad.
the little i make on the side from hoking stuff on ebay is often that little bit xtra i need to pay the rent,
or buy a new subway metrocard.
i have always acknowledged to myself that one of the main drawcards is the tax-free environment.
without it, i would probably go someplace else on the net. - DrunkenPirate34, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17No taxes on used items (considering that the taxes have already been paid when the item was bought). There should not be taxes on used cars either, but the government gets away with it.
- Seefate, on 10/11/2007, -8/+24I really like people like you. You haven't listen to a single thing Paul has said and continue to believe what ever you want. Paul wants to make the federal government smaller and less cumbersome so that is can function as originally intended. So there will be no need for the IRS since we won't have to fund 10,000 special interest programs and things of the like.
Open you mind and you will see many "new" things.
www.ronpaul2008.com - Pix869, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17@Cdn:
Some objects should be taxable, but most of the items on Ebay's auction floor (save businesses that Ebay hosts) are comprised of used goods.
Used goods means they have been purchased already. If they have been purchased already, then tax has already been paid on that item. So, if a person wishes to recover some money by selling the item, why must he or she pay more tax?
It seems like a silly, desperate, money grab. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Only around 1/3 of government revenue comes from Income tax, and if we cut our spending to levels of around 10 years ago, Income Tax could be completely abolished. Regardless, tax on income is an absurd tax. Your income is basically compensation for production, for what you put into the economy. To TAX production is 100% *****. If anything, consumption should be taxed. It's ridiculous that if I rake leaves for a neighbor and get $10, the government suddenly deserves a share of that, or if I work an extra hour of overtime, suddenly the government deserves 1/4 of it. It's amazing so many people don't question it. I'm for replacing income tax with a consumption tax, increased sales tax, with certain exemptions/credits for retired people who aren't earning an income any more.
Obviously, I'm voting for Ron Paul, so yes it's not spam to mention him. He's the sole Presidential candidate who would fix this absurdly complex and unfair tax system. - PeppermintPig, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Because we'd still be living like cavemen without forced wealth redistribution? Without the government and its magical properties, we'd never be able to solve problems on our own??
Government was never supposed to provide all of these services. It was originally about protecting rights.
Government != Civilization. - torched, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Uh ok, I love Ron Paul, I love eBay, and I hate the IRS but i'm confused how we ended up in a Ron Paul thread?
- 2oonhed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13...since they been googlin yer namz
- psykiv, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13From the Article:
"Government wants to tax sellers who make at least 100 transactions or $5,000 annually from eBay"
Reason being A. It's not worth going after these people.
B. It should be VERY easy to itemize deductions in this case to get your income tax to zero.
You want me to pay taxes on the money I make from selling stuff from cleaning out my closet on eBay? No problem. Ill just deduct the cost of the computer, the cost of my internet connection, the cost of electricity, the cost of my cell phone I use to call back customers and answer sales questions, the cost of the car I use to drive to and from the post office to drop off these packages, the gas I spend, the room in my house that the computer is in and all my crap is stored in, the cost of all these shipping supplies, the cost of the accountant to comply with all this bs, etc. End result: A load more paperwork for the IRS with zero benefit. - HexeL, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14The IRS is an unconstitutional institution.
We should not resent those who cheat the cheaters. We should join them.
In fact, we should all just get together and abolish the ***** thing.
IRS = Funding of war, funding of the police state, and funding of the death of this country. - healthydose, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12How can you be so utterly naive. America existed for 137 years with NO irs or Fed. R., fought six wars, and expanded greatly as a nation. So, yes, we can do it again
- Toshibi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Roads are payed for by Gas Taxes. You know, to use the roads you have to buy gas. Don't wanna use them, don't buy gas. This is a directly apportioned tax. I'm fine with it. Same as with property taxes and so on.
Your income is a direct trade of your time/labor for some amount of money. As a for instance, if you work 40 hours a week and the government takes 25% of your money through income taxes, you are then being forced to work 10 hours a week basically to not go to jail since in effect, the income tax is really only paying for government bloat, as in the national debt. So, you're in a situation of work for free or be punished. This is slavery.
Honestly, I think we should replace the whole thing with a federal sales tax which would remove a lot of the taxation figures that go into the final cost of merchandise (you figure up how much you are making after taxes and see where that leaves you as to set a price as well as other factors), the people that can afford more expensive items will carry the burden, and you can freely avoid it by not buying. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Yeah, gotta be the fact that he's the only presidential candidate who would abolish the IRS. So yeah, he's pretty damn relevant to this topic, and with all the bitching and whining, it's extremely odd how people call it spamming to bring up the fact that we have a guy who would get rid of this ***** taxing method permanently if only enough people found out about him.
- letsgopens2006, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Your tax dollars are funding these "Wars"....So I say screw the IRS and oh yeah...***** THE FEDERAL RESERVE
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10It's not obsessive to pay attention to who takes our money and why. It's called financial responsibility.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12The point is that Income Tax is a ***** way to get revenue. It's a tax on compensation for production. As the old maxim goes, what you subsidize, you get more of, what you tax, you get less of. The income tax amendment should be repealed, no doubt about it.
We should be taxed on what we REMOVE from the economy, not what we PUT INTO it, and income is, for most people, merely compensation for what they put INTO the economy. - deedah1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10And if you sell things at a loss you should be able to claim a tax refund.
- stealthc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8***** the IRS. If I sell something to someone, what has the government done in that transaction to deserve any payment from me? Ebay deserves a fee because they enabled the exchange and provided the forum. The IRS is just a bunch of roving thieves.
Someone made the argument that it's not fair to spend 8 hours working and be taxed, yet activity on eBay isn't taxed.
You're right. It's not fair to work 8 hours and have to pay a tribute for that. End the Income Tax! - Kronos6948, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Obviously, you've never sold anything at a flea market.
You pay for a space, sell your stuff...whatever you sell, you take home. I don't see anyone paying any taxes on that income. The property owners pay tax for running the business of having a flea market, but other than that, the individual sellers are not paying income tax on the income they're getting. Trickle down doesn't count as paying income tax.
Oh, and if you really want to make a strong argument, present facts, not personal attacks. - healthydose, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I don't understand why some people chaff at Ron Paul being mentioned. This is talking about a greedy money grab by the irs; which he has declared he will eliminate ,the irs, if elected. So, yes, he should be mentioned here. The irs is merely the collection agency for the Federal Reserve, and all the money collected by the irs only pays the interest on the national debt anyway, so it's understandable their insatiable desire to find ever new ways to extract taxes from us to pay the ever increasing interest payments. With the Fed. R. and it's illegitimate child the irs gone we will all be much better off.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8It would be fair IF income tax were fair. It's not. It's a tax on compensation for production, which is basically a tax on production. A tax on consumption, what a person REMOVES from the economy (increased sales tax) makes a lot more sense.
- shortarabguy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I just wanted to point out that not a single time in the article does it mention either "Ron" or "Paul," leading me to think that this article might have absolutely nothing to do with what the submitter wanted it to be related to.
- TruthWillWin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Still many ignorant people babbling here...
If you research how in 1913 the Federal reserve was illegally instated to print money out of nothing for PRIVATE banks and WHO were behind that, there is absolutely no question whatsoever it was done by filthy rich criminals. (like it´s standard thoughout history)
President Woodrow Wilson 1916:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." (Wilson was fooled like all of us, at least he had the guts to admit it to himself !!)
Inflation is theft!
fractional reserve is theft!
The federal reserve is theft! (the way they do it.. but the entire idea of letting oncontrolled PRIVATE banks print our money is absurdly dangerous)
“I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”
-Nathan Rothschild
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
-J. Edgar Hoover
and then there also is `The comprehensive annual financial reports` ( huuuge cooking of the books every year) ( while they make us think that there is a 6 billion surplus, they whitewash 475 billion the same year.... black on white, documented, and that was only in one state in 1 year. The elite scum has robbed/is robbing us of somuch money we can´t even imagine it !!!!!!!!
`It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.`
-Henry Ford
COME ON ! HOW MUCH DENIAL CAN A HUMAN HAVE.????
And believe me.... This is nothing yet !!!!!!!!!!!!! There is much more, and they will never stop unless we wake the f$ck up !! - deadsoulz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Income tax is illegal, there is no Law stating you have to pay taxes on personal wages. The IRS needs to fall, Vote Ron Paul 2008
- DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8Damn since when was the IRS on the internets?
- Stevejsam, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Ron Paul. Ron Paul. BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSS
- leereeves, on 10/11/2007, -7/+14Has it become impossible discuss the government on Digg without discussing Ron Paul? This article has nothing to do with him.
I've contributed to his campaign and even I'm sick of the Ron Paul spam.
BTW: the topic discussed in the article is tame compared to the real issues we have to deal with. - redmaxx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7As someone who uses eBay for only a few things every few months, why the hell should I have to dig out receipts and calculate profit/loss? Now what, am I going to have to submit receipts for the original purchase price and submit them to prove I didn't make more than $5k off the items? That is completely ridiculous. It's equivalent to a freaking garage sale! I know for a fact that I take a loss on each and every item I sell on eBay: the 6 month old laptop, the 2 year old printer, the used car radio that came with my car (how the hell would I calculate profit/loss on THAT?), used computer parts, etc.
Moreover, how will the government know what my eBay ID is? Am I going to have to report that too?
I see this as absolutely no different than a brick and mortar business. Require the business to report the income, not the POS terminal (eBay). - aznhalf, on 10/11/2007, -9/+15I'm with you Pseudo.
People make their entire livings off of eBay and they don't have to pay a cent.
I have a normal job and I have to pay 40% of my income to fund things like schools, roads, etc. This would be fine if the guy getting off tax free didn't take advantage of those things but as well all know he does.
I actually know someone who receives welfare but makes a good 5000 a month on eBay, not to mention they were eligible for subsidized housing. So basically, these people can:
A. Earn more money than you(net)
B. Use the things your money provides to society for themselves
C. Directly receive YOUR money in the form of a government check(*select cases*)
D. Live in a better house than you for less money(*once again, obviously this only applies to a few*)
So as much as I hate government regulation I'm all for this move by the IRS. It's not that I want them to get involved in everything but I want them to be consistent. Yeah I'm petty, get over it.
Another thing, this isn't really going to affect the average Joe who tries to move a couple dusty albums from his attic. This is directly aimed at people moving a lot of money. Most likely there will be a high threshold for who gets reported and who doesn't. - healthydose, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Taxes collected by the irs--in all it's forms--only service the interest payment on the national debt. Those monies provide NO services and pay for NO benefits. Legitimate, Constitutionally sanctioned taxes would of course remain. Ron is not out to eliminate Gov......just to return it to it's Constitutionally recognized role. What is wrong with that?
- atariman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6While I am not American, this doesn't make any sense to me. Lots of people on ebay sell stuff that they bought brand new for retail, and sell it second hand for much less. For example, I once bought a mini-disc player for $200 at Best Buy and sold for $90 on ebay. How would this be considered income? If anything, it would be considered a loss.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8So the IRS will bill me for a product I purchased at retail 5 years ago and am now selling for half price (Cost - Retailers margin) 5 years later, in Australia? Get stuffed, piss off!! America you have lost the plot!
- deadsoulz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6America needs to wake up. If we don't like it and our elected officials dont' represent us, We may do as our founding fathers did and do the most patriotic thing of all,and start a Revolution to maintain our liberty.
- PABeachBum, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6lets practice some objective journalism and stop inserting political opinion along with headlines.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6the SSN or slave surveilance number will be required to make this happen.
only slaves have and use the SSN. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6"Used" will become the new "New".
"Check out the all new, but slightly used 2008 Honda Accord". - GravitySpec, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Don't you mean "Certified Pre-Owned"?
- letsgopens2006, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Hey if someone figures a way to screw the government....then more power to them. These people deserve all the screwing over they get.
- BabaRamDass, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Cheers to the mate who gets away from the robber.
- computergod, on 10/11/2007, -12/+17@eksai
I made my avatar show my age/sex.
I'm 25 and I still don't know why RP has to be mentioned on an unrelated story. I don't live in your country, but for me RP is now someone who I think of as polluting a favorite website of mine, no better then the people hawking Viagra. In short, this deluge of RP stories seems like it would tend to colour him in a bad light, irrespective of his political opinions. -
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