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- inactive, on 01/17/2008, -5/+79It's about time Pelosi started acting on her solemn oath to protect and uphold the ***** Constitution.
- dreamtiger, on 01/17/2008, -4/+47As Robert Wexler said today, Congress must act or risk that History judge them complicit in the many crimes of the Bush administration. These contempt charges are the first step on a path that could lead to 2008 being a lot more inspiring than 2007. So get your butt over to Wexler's website and sign the petition if you haven't done so already! http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/ Do it now!
- louise12345, on 01/17/2008, -3/+46COME ON PELOSI......DO SOMETHING! DO YOUR G-DAMN JOB LADY!
- mishaco, on 01/17/2008, -1/+27DON'T FORGET ABOUT KARL ROVE !
- headt0thebunker, on 01/17/2008, -2/+19It is important that this get done so it will come up as questions to perspective presidential candidates....I for one want to know what any of these candidates plan to do to Bush and or Cheyne in the event Pelosi manages to run blocking for them until they leave office.
Will they pursue investigations....What are they going to do about all of Bush's "signing statements", what are they going to do about evidence of illegal wiretapping and tortured? - FDL1, on 01/17/2008, -1/+16CHASE: House, we need to cure this patient. He is very sick.
HOUSE: Did you try the medicine drug?
CHASE: I did try the medicine drug.
HOUSE: Only stupid people try the medicine drug. You are stupid.
PATIENT: I would rather not be sick.
HOUSE: You are stupid too. Did you take stupid drug?
FOREMAN: I gave patient stupid drug.
HOUSE: You are a black man.
FOREMAN: This vexes me.
PATIENT: I have blood from my nose that is dripping.
CAMERON: That's bad!
PATIENT: Also I was bitten by mice due to my poor hygiene.
CUTTY: You need hygiene drug. Also, I have not spoken in awhile.
HOUSE: No! Hygiene drug will kill Patient! He needs mouse bites to live!
CHASE: [Shocked]
CAMERON: [Shocked]
FOREMAN: [Vexed]
HOUSE: More mouse bites!
CUTTY: I forbid this.
HOUSE: Don't care.
CHASE: [Gets mice]
HOUSE: [Makes mouse bite serum]
PATIENT: I feel better. No more nose blood! Thank you doctor!
HOUSE: I am very smart.
WILSON: I, too, am in this episode.
FOREMAN: This vexes me. - cranium, on 01/17/2008, -1/+14The corruption is entirely predictable. Bush is just going to pardon them and accuse the congress of playing politics. Yawn.
- pintomp3, on 01/17/2008, -1/+14impeach, bitch.
- sirloin, on 01/17/2008, -0/+9Well the great plan starts.. it's nearly rovian. See as the election draws near, now the dems will actually start to act like they recall why the got elected in the first place. Sure they waited long enough that impeachment probably wont happen, but they will have hearings and the crimes and unethical things the bush admin has done will come out and the dems hope to use the constant barrage of contravercy against the gop, much the way the gop did to clinton, to win the houses fromt the dems.
about time, but all politics. - statik99, on 11/03/2009, -0/+8"Pelosi has not determined a date for a vote" Which means this could be scheduled for the year 2115.
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -0/+8Can you believe that subpoena-dodging ***** in the thumbnail up top was a Supreme Court nominee at one point?
- AnarkeIncarnate, on 01/17/2008, -0/+8You forgot the sarcasm tag
- NotAChickenHawk, on 01/17/2008, -0/+8Sadly, this is a futile gesture. When the House cites you for contempt, they themselves cannot convict or punish you. They are, in effect, asking the U.S. Attorney for D.C. to charge you of the crime and prosecute you in Federal court, just like any other federal crime. And now two things come into play. See, these charges will or will not be filed at the discretion of the U.S. Attorney for D.C., and even if he decides to file the charges he also determines how vigorously he'll prosecute. Well, lets see. The people are Bush's friends, and thanks to the U.S. Attorney firing scandal, we've all seen what happens to U.S. Attorneys who do not play ball with Bush. Think that this U.S. Attorney will be in any hurry to bring these charges? Second, Contempt of Congress is just like any other Federal crime - the President can pardon you. So even if all the chips fall into place - the House votes to cite these people, and the U.S. Attorney prosecutes them, and they are actualy convicted and sentenced, Bush can then just pull a "Scooter Libby" and pardon his buddies.
- wil2200, on 01/17/2008, -0/+8this reminds me of Spaceballs where Colonel Sanders always says "Prepare to..." and Dark Helmet finally yells at him saying something like "you are always preparing, just do it already"
- metallic07039, on 01/17/2008, -0/+8Whatever... the house has been planning on doing a lot of things, but guess what? Bush is still our president. Go figure.
- trevorjez, on 01/17/2008, -0/+7pelosi has turned into quite the joke. even right now she is helping block the investigation against mark foley: http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/pelosi-w ...
- greenm1981, on 01/17/2008, -1/+8Is it just me or does Harriet Meiers bear a striking resemblance to Emperor Palpatine?
- inactive, on 01/17/2008, -1/+7Man, for a second there I pictured Dr. House from the TV show in court...
- inactive, on 01/17/2008, -0/+6History is looking at what we do today. Therefore, whether or not convictions are probable in these cases is immaterial. Precedent must be established and the politicians in Congress must leave a clear record of their dedication to Constitutional law, or their loyalty to cronyism.
By suggesting that the legal process is a waste of time you are advocating a refuge from historical judgment to the facilitators of this dreadful administration.
Start the process and let history have abundantly clear evidence as to whether the Congressman from your district is your Representative or if he or she is simply part of a party apparatus that is interested in position and power. - jgzman, on 01/17/2008, -0/+5Please note that apparently, a Majority in Congress can't get anything done either.
I advocate the utter destruction of the Republican party. The Democrats will fracture on their own. But after the shameful display of obstructionism the Republicans have put on, I don't think they deserve to govern. - delafere, on 01/17/2008, -0/+5You keep using that word "know." I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Supreme Court case law specifically contradicts your assessment of whether or not this particular investigation is constitutional. Do you "know" more than the Supreme Court about the constitution?
True, the Constitution grants no expressed authority to investigate the executive or executive exercise of power, but oversight is definitely implied in Congress’ enumerated powers. The legislature is authorized to:
- raise cash
- raise and support armies
- provide for and maintain a navy
- declare war
- regulate the national guard
- regulate interstate and foreign commerce
- establish post offices and post roads
- advise and consent on treaties and presidential nominations (Senate)
- impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President, Vice President, and civil officers for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
(That last one is pretty important to this discussion also, by the way.)
On top of that, Congress has full power to "make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
Legislative oversight authority derives from the above powers. The Senate and House can't do any of these things without knowing what the Executive is up to (program administration, appointments, actual budgets as opposed to projected, etc.). Basically Congress has to be able to find out if Executive officials are obeying the law and adhering legislative intent.
In the 1920s the Supreme Court validated Congressional oversight, as long as civil liberties were protected. In 1927, in McGrain v. Daugherty (http://supreme.justia.com/us/273/135/case.html), the Court found that, in investigating the administration of the Department of Justice, Congress was considering a subject “on which legislation could be had or would be materially aided by the information which the investigation was calculated to elicit."
So, if, in a constitutionally presecribed oversight function regarding the administration of the Dept of Justice, Congress subpoena a witness (Myers) and she just doesn't frigging show up, the standard neocon line is to stick their fingers in their ears, say "not a problem, oversight doesn't exist," and to pretend that the vast majority of the country, clear decisions from the highest court in the land, and even the whole concept of legal precedent are completely up in the air, just to suit their convenience.
I'd say, "nice try," but it wasn't really. - richness, on 01/17/2008, -2/+7NOT ENOUGH NANCY...
- jhails, on 01/17/2008, -2/+7Be realistic people. Pelosi is way too busy licking Georges privates. She hardly has time for anything else poor thing!
- rxbudian, on 01/17/2008, -0/+5This is just a delay tactic. She just said yes to ease the pressure on herself. then she can keep delaying for about 1 year and it'll all be over and she doesn't need to do anything because the focus isn't on the current administration anymore.
- nbrntrt, on 01/17/2008, -0/+5"Judiciary Committee Republicans on Wednesday sent a letter to Pelosi asking her not to pursue the criminal charges, arguing the attorney firing investigation so far has failed to demonstrate any malfeasance by the administration."
Waste of time? And having congressional hearings on who used steroids in baseball is not? - reuscel, on 01/17/2008, -1/+5Wow, at this rate, we might get impeachment hearings before the next century. Government gridlock FTL!!
- Grumps, on 01/17/2008, -0/+4***** finally something..Its not too late for a first step..
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -0/+4I don't see anything in the article that's a falsification of the facts.
- inactive, on 01/17/2008, -0/+4After seeing the crap Supreme Court Justices installed by the right wing in the last 25 years... yes. She's about par for the course.
- NSMike, on 01/17/2008, -0/+4Because Hugh Laurie rocks.
- raoulduke87, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3Bringing those who would protect criminals to justice is not partisan politics, it's Congress' job.
- brufleth, on 01/17/2008, -1/+4Grumble and slam your beer glass against the table all you want but this really doesn't mean anything. Congress is pretty much split half and half. Republicans will stick to party lines and a chunk of democrats will also probably not support the charges. Pelosi (despite what people might think) is a pretty smart woman and knows how the vote will probably go.
A minority group in congress can't really do a whole lot to change laws or curb presidential actions. Their bills and motions will almost always be voted down. They can help influence others in congress but they aren't going to be making sweeping changes or voting for dramatic charges. - Spoomeister, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3Ok, so chasing after petty republican operatives and strawmen, to cite them for things and slap them on the wrist, is vital business of the House of Representatives. And yet impeachment is still off the table??? And the Iraq war continues? And we're in a recession? And Bush is all but charging into Iran on a horse, wearing a suit of armor decked out in Crusader white-and-red? Judas-tapdancing-Priest, lady, get your priorities straight!!!
It makes me second-guess my position on impeaching Bush and Cheney, because we'd get just as little done with President Pro Tempore Pelosi... - inactive, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3Scalia is an excellent reason that nominees should be compelled to answer all questions under oath or be rejected instantly.
- jwkpiano1, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3You can't veto a contempt citation, dude. It's not a bill. All they need is a simple majority.
- khpmli, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3Democrats doing something other than whining? unbelievable! I bet they will drop this case in three weeks.
- JedicodeWarrior, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3The house isn't doing anything! How is investigating this a waste of time. Do you job, for crying out loud!!
- Coven, on 01/17/2008, -0/+3http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/97/5 ...
- inactive, on 01/17/2008, -3/+5True. America will only change when the right wing and their failed ideology of corporate greed is voted out of government. Electing Republican-lite candidates like Clinton, Obama and Edwards won't change the government. Only an actual vote for the actual left will do that. Unfortunately, we on the left have no political party and no chance of being able to level the playing field.
Is it 1789 yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution - TrevaLVF, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2Oddly enough, nearly 200 Republicans backed the true democrat, Dennis Kucinich, when Kucinich was fighting his own damned party and the rest of the Republicans in Kucinich's impeachment of Cheney effort. Unfortunately, air-head Pelosi, who always gets this goofy grin and glow, as if Cheney and Bush are taking turns at goosing her, decided to block Kucinich's most patriotic effort. The Republicans that backed his effort outnumbered the Democrats that supported it. They wanted the impeachment to be debated on the House floor. Pelosi and her band of bi-partisan fascists, did not. This is despite the list of Cheney's violations of constitutional laws. This is why we seek to have idiot Pelosi removed from her position as Speaker of the House.
This effort is just a diversion, Pelosi's way of pretending to suddenly be in favor of going after the bad neocons. Her interest suddenly comes when we've cited her with obstruction of justice on a petition that I and others have signed, which comes compliments of Congressman Wexler (Democrat, Florida).
You partisan Democrats are just as thick-skulled as partisan Republicans. You're too loyal to your party to be much good to us true democratic patriots in our efforts to end the corruption that is robbing our country of every great thing we had a right to boast about back in the day.
As for Pelosi... I think, she needs to quit sitting on Cheney's and Bush's thumbs to get her jollies. It's obvious to those of us that have seen her bob up and down while wearing that stupid grin. She should set a date and make sure that the impeachment of Cheney efforts get back on the floor so that if this present activity actually goes through, neither Bush, nor Cheney will be able to pardon the pricks these two thugs delegated to do their dirty deeds. - inactive, on 01/17/2008, -1/+3This is all window dressing. Do Rove, Meyer, and the rest need to go to jail for contempt? Certainly. But the real issue is whether George Bush et al will be tried for their crimes against humanity. If the next administration doesn't bring them up on war crimes charges, the USA needs to be treated the way the government of South Africa was during the 1980s.
- inactive, on 01/17/2008, -0/+2Guess what? The House can actually do more than one thing at a time.
- TrevaLVF, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2The Dem majority operates in a backward manner. The Impeachment efforts should have come right after a decent and useful person (of either gender) become Speaker of the House, which does NOT describe Bush and Cheney's three-way playmate, Goosie Girl Pelosi. The Plutocrats that have maintained control of the Democratic Party's presence on Capital Hill blow a lot of smoke and use trick mirrors to make voters only think that they're taking serious action in ways that they know and plan to be futile. That's why they rarely succeed in doing exactly what the voters expect of them. Every voter in the Democratic Party needs to wise up to this and take action to clean out the trash in their own party and replace it with real representatives and leaders that know how to get results that the people want.
- TrevaLVF, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2I guess so. See, we have this group on Capital Hill in Washington D.C.
It is called the "US House of Representatives." Within it are people from the various United States of America (We have 50 states) who are supposed to represent the voters and residents living in the district per representative in each state in the House of Representatives in Washington D.C.
Some sources simply refer to the representatives within the US House of Representatives as the "House."
There is also a state House of Representatives in each state of this country. State House representatives deal with state related legislation. The State House of Representatives in each state is located in the state's Capital city, where the governor's mansion and the State Senate is also located. This was covered in civic and government text books for middle and high school students in the USA. If you missed this one, is it safe for me to assume that you're not a US resident and citizen? - ChaosMotor, on 01/17/2008, -0/+2Time to end ALL political parties and run on platforms and issues, not solidarity groups.
- secrity, on 01/17/2008, -0/+2You didn't destroy the patients' kidney or liver, this can't be a real House episode without frying a liver or a kidney.
- ordig, on 01/17/2008, -0/+2I wish bush has AIDS. That would make my ***** day.
- cranium, on 01/17/2008, -0/+2It can't be both?
- TrevaLVF, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2I think, it's their idea of a compromise to our demand for impeachment. If so, then that is typical of most of them, but it won't stop Congress members Kucinich and Wexler from continuing their push them to impeach Cheney and Bush.
- TrevaLVF, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2We still need to push for impeachment. As for dealing with Pelosi, her little stunt to slap aside our impeachment efforts was in violation of the US Constitution. If she thinks going after some Bush/Cheney aides will negate our obligation to charge her with treason, she has another think coming.
Here's a link to our petition to have Pelosi removed from the US House Speaker position for her interference with the impeachment effort:
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.ht ...
Please sign it and pass it around.
Thanks -
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