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- blqysmg, on 12/06/2007, -11/+493This is completely unenforcable
- TritonX, on 12/06/2007, -8/+398You gotta be kidding. This is to safety what patriotism is to the patriot's act.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -6/+320I can't wait until 1984... I'm gonna turn so many people in, it's going to be a blast.
- iceman0113, on 12/06/2007, -3/+282So instead of having the police do their jobs, Americans must spy on each other now? Oh wait, that's right, the police are too busy tasering and terrorizing people. Another ***** bill for a ***** Congress/Administration.
- tnvwboy, on 12/06/2007, -2/+272Wow, more steps backwards. Pretty soon we'll be all turning our neighbors in for 'suspicious' activity or any kind.
- downwardz, on 12/06/2007, -1/+236America needs a good doctor, it is internally bleeding.
- KenSPT, on 12/06/2007, -3/+192What happened to the America I used to know?
I long for the times when I used to be able to go to Starbucks, grab a White Chocolate Mocha, and look at porn in peace ... - elipabst, on 12/06/2007, -1/+188As much as I enjoy giving Ron Paul spammers sh*t, I swear he is the only person in Congress who actually reads any of these bills and thinks critically about them before voting. The rest of these morons need to be run out of the government.
- SamWest3, on 12/06/2007, -3/+163This is YET ANOTHER law that makes it your "patriotic duty" to spy on your neighbours. Protect your children from TERRORISTS by keeping a watchful eye on everyone around you! It's the only way to SAVE AMERICA!
Yeah right! Sounds like Nazi Germany to me! Enjoy it, suckers! - xerus, on 12/06/2007, -0/+124...obscene cartoons?
What? - clownguyx, on 12/06/2007, -4/+107If you can't enforce it, then you are a terrorist.
- bbqribs, on 12/06/2007, -1/+104So, as a home user, we're supposed to install packet sniffing technology on every open WAP? and scan the traffic for 'obscene' images? What if we don't think it's obscene?! This is asinine. And ***** you to every Democrat that voted for this. (I expect no less from most Republicans) - "Most Ethical Congress Ever" - ***** you Feinstein & Pelosi.
I am disgusted by this. - DRINKxREDxBULL, on 12/06/2007, -5/+102This is brought to you by the people who think that wiretapping is bad.
" anyone offering an open Wi-Fi connection to the public must report illegal images including "obscene" cartoons and drawings--or face fines of up to $300,000.
That broad definition would cover individuals, coffee shops, libraries, hotels, and even some government agencies that provide Wi-Fi. It also sweeps in social-networking sites, domain name registrars, Internet service providers, and e-mail service providers such as Hotmail and Gmail, and it may require that the complete contents of the user's account be retained for subsequent police inspection."
If I own a popular, independent coffee shop, all that a nationally franchised coffee chain has to do to shut me down is hire a saboteur to pass some risque photos of 16 year olds on my wireless network, and then turn me in for not catching it?
Considering that about a dozen big movie/music companies were recently caught hiring saboteurs that use DoS attacks and deliberately put malware, viruses, and other crap on ThePirateBay.org, I wouldn't say this is a stretch of the imagination.
BTW, here is what network admins are responsible from stopping:
"But it also includes photographs of fully clothed minors in overly "lascivious" poses, and certain obscene visual depictions including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called hentai)." - GhostyBoy, on 12/06/2007, -2/+96What an absolute sham.
They named it that way so anybody who votes against it will look bad. Now they can try and say RP is weak on child-porn.
These ***** treat people like they are so stupid.... - j10s, on 12/06/2007, -7/+100Ron Paul supports freedom. It is not up to us to report these things.
It is nice to see that he knew his vote might make him look bad, and that he would be one of the only ones to vote in that direction, but he took time to actually read the bill and he made a decision based on what he knows is right, not what makes him look good. - jjmckay, on 12/06/2007, -0/+87Unenforcable is not the issue or concern. This kind of tattle-tale promoting law pits citizen vs citizen more than is reasonable. I remember how in the 1980s people here in the U.S. criticized the USSR for being a tattle-tale society. Now we are on our way to becoming the same. Is Congress and the feds creating a nanny state?
- allenm, on 12/06/2007, -1/+86I ran a national hotspot service a few years back. We had problems in Utah with pr0n on public terminals. We used every program and filter we could and were about 80% successful in stopping it and it cost a ton of $$ and we had to update every couple days. It's like trying to stop a waterfall with a strainer. We gave up and left Utah for fear of fines. Anyhoo, I'm sure nothing will come of this. People still don't stop at stop signs, signal when they change lanes, ride single in the carpool lane, etc. and there's never a cop there to enforce it.
- matt0r, on 12/06/2007, -8/+90this is ***** terrible
- Reese268, on 12/06/2007, -5/+82This bill is bad news. Maybe now some of you naysayers will see why we need a man like Ron Paul as President.
- Chicken2nite, on 12/06/2007, -1/+72So Kucinich voted for it. interesting, what with his pocket constitution and everything.
- Tangeuray, on 12/06/2007, -9/+78Pretty soon the ONLY thing on the Internet will be FOX NEWS......
- fuze44, on 12/06/2007, -0/+59Perfect drugs and easy women? Brave New World.
- blackmage439, on 12/06/2007, -0/+56And to think my girlfriend wants to open a coffee house/Internet cafe. This kind of ***** makes that all the more risky... Thank you again, U.S. government, for passing yet another useless and unenforceable child porn bill.
- Sippi, on 12/06/2007, -2/+56Just imagine if Ron Paul become President. We would have a President who will actually do his job and know what is going on.
- orxor, on 12/06/2007, -0/+54Wonder which cable companies/telcos paid for this bill.
- AtomicNewt, on 12/06/2007, -0/+53The real scary thing is, is what happens when someone around you is looking at "obscene" things and you don't turn them in? Are you going to get into trouble? Social conditioning though force has never succeeded in the long run anywhere on any continent in any country or large population. In due time, everyone is going to do what they want to some extent. For example, people still spit in Singapore.
- adgreene, on 12/06/2007, -0/+52"obscene" cartoons brings to mind the Family Guy episode of South Park that ends with Jesus ***** on everybody.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -3/+53you promote slavery.
- jeffiek, on 12/06/2007, -8/+57Don't bet on it.
- orxor, on 12/06/2007, -3/+48I can think of one and he's a real doctor too.
- syroncoda, on 12/06/2007, -3/+47a bunch of idiots voted for something they truly do not understand. what a pathetic country this is becoming.
- bratpack8, on 12/06/2007, -5/+49But don't you see guys, if someone votes against government education, they are against educating the kids. If someone votes against universal health care, they are against anyone getting medical care. Don't you guys all see the logic in that thinking?
/sarcasm/ - Scynet, on 12/06/2007, -0/+44Watch yer backs folks, the government is after your tentacle pr0n!
- BadseedJR, on 12/06/2007, -1/+44How is this the governments business? Last time I checked, The government is not my mother or father and they can't tell me to taddle on someone else. What a load of crap.
- darkened, on 12/06/2007, -0/+42And this is why it makes me proud to support Ron Paul that he has the balls to say NO to this travesty of a law.
- colobikeguy, on 12/06/2007, -2/+43I'm not trying to be an alarmist here, but did everyone see the documentary on how the Nazi party in WWII operated? I remember a segment on a town that tried to use the SS as a personal vendetta. People would submit accusation after accusation that their neighbor, who they hated for say havina dog that pooped on their lawn, was Jewish. If I remember correctly, the local SS were overwhelmed with accusations of people being Jews they spent more time figuring out who were actually Jewish than going out hunting down the Jewish.
The thing about this bill is that it really offers an avenue for the government to investigate ANYTHING related to the internet. I mean, if you have Starbucks legally liable (under a private right of action theory) for internet traffic, they are going to be watching EVERYTHING. So, it is almost as if the government is trying to jerk the private sector into a huge monitoring system without having to pay the price.
So if I were to send an email to my friend about how much I hate Bush. He checks is email at Starbucks not knowing that I sent a nasty email about Bush. That email could be sucked up into a database by Starbucks (who is monitoring for illegal porn) and stored. Then along comes a government official investigating reports of illegal porn traffic at the same wireless spot, checks out the database, runs across my email and then ...
If you add in a cooperative component like that we saw with the telephone companies, then there could be supercomputers accessing the database regularly with one of those non-judicial search warrants. They run a bunch of patterns and viola... they have the name of 90% of the anti Bush (or Clinton for that matter) person out there.
I dunno, this is all getting very weird. - NinjaBoy, on 12/06/2007, -0/+40If they have to report it, they have to look at it. Everyone lets goatse startbucks!!
- jeffiek, on 12/06/2007, -2/+41Ah, yes. Prime example of one dimensional thinking. Not attacking equals promoting.
The real world has more than one dimension. Believe it or not, it is possible to be against child porn AND against drafting people as agents of the state.
That's what this is - a draft. The forceful enlistment of people as government agents. Private individuals must monitor (spy) on other private individuals. Complete with penalty for failure to comply. - solidwhitedevil, on 12/06/2007, -1/+39Does this mean no more 4chan?
- FloppyLlamaDigg, on 12/06/2007, -2/+38You mean 'safety is to this'.
- alexanEmpire, on 12/06/2007, -4/+39Not just any doctor....a doctor with a record of delivering 4000 babies!
- tehnico, on 12/06/2007, -0/+35How about, if it's nobodies ***** business, it's nobodies ***** business...
- blapierre, on 12/06/2007, -2/+37Looks like someone failed the SAT analogy section.
Should be:
Safety is to SAFE Act as Patriotism is to USA PATRIOT Act
or
SAFE Act is to Safety as USA PATRIOT Act is to Patriotism - tnoy, on 12/06/2007, -1/+35Yeah, its much better when people just vote for what their party wants them to. Or even better, they can just vote for what everyone else does
- mllawso, on 12/06/2007, -0/+34I may not agree with you looking at dirty pictures, but I will fight to the death for your ability to do so.
- MortalynFlux, on 12/06/2007, -0/+32More like selective enforcement. Selective enforcement can be used to silence political opponents.
- Bridea, on 12/06/2007, -1/+33Where's the online application for the Thought Police? I want to be the first to sign up!
- ultraelite, on 12/06/2007, -0/+32Oh I get it, all characters in cartoon porn must at least 18 years old....right...
- messs, on 12/06/2007, -1/+31http://www.house.gov/writerep/
It came to my attention today that you recently voted into law the "SAFE Act". Sometimes, Mr. Representative, it is blatantly obvious that not only are you completely out of touch with technology and the pulse of your constituents but you have no clue what you are advocating. This act is to safety what the "Patriot" act was to patriotism. I am more and more saddened with my representatives on Capitol Hill every day. - DRINKxREDxBULL, on 12/06/2007, -2/+31Its pretty clear that j10s means that the other House members and Pres hopefuls are willing to sacrifice our liberty for feel good politics.
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