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- FarOutGrace, on 03/28/2009, -4/+53The Republican party needs someone far better to lead it. Their choices seem to have been on impulse. I'm a Democrat, but I don't want there to be a one party system obviously. This country is supposed to be about choices. The sooner the Republicans quit pretending they're doing better than they are, admit that they need a charismatic leader, the sooner, they'll make people like me nervous.
But, hey that's a secret, so dont tell anyone okay? Sssh! - inactive, on 03/29/2009, -8/+56I watched Boehner deliver the "budget" and almost felt sorry for him because it was so uncomfortable. The Republicans are so out of touch. They think that they can just BS a press conference like they have for the last several years and not have to answer real questions. The American people are sick of that ***** and some of the media are too. It was pure political theater and the press called them on it.
- smacksaw, on 03/29/2009, -8/+44This statement from the article encapsulates the entire policy philosophy of the GOP today:
“just a bunch of numbers.”
Here's an example of some things that are “just a bunch of numbers" to the GOP:
Cost of the Iraq War
Dead Iraqi civilians
Dead US soldiers
Time in months or years we would "win" in Iraq
The War On Drugs
Bush tax cut for the rich
And so on...and of course, here's something that is not “just a bunch of numbers” to them:
Obama's budget and plans to spend taxpayer money
Because you see, when it's them making the rules, it's just a bunch of numbers. Don't question them. But God forbid a Democrat get involved with numbers because the Republicans are gonna be RIGHT THERE to conveniently care about math again. - muckemuck, on 03/29/2009, -1/+31They think Twitter will save them.. sigh.
(seriously, I've sat through 4 presentations by candidates for state GOP chairman who all said that the GOP just needs to sell the brand better by using things like Twitter - and there's no need to change the platform.... ugh.. heads buried in sand...) - kurttrail, on 03/29/2009, -1/+21They are the party of Strict Constructionists, yet the Constitution is just a piece of paper,
so of course as the party of Fiscal Conservatism they think a budget is just a bunch of numbers!
The GOP, the grand old party of HYPOCRITES! - Lederhosed, on 03/28/2009, -4/+22Agreed. I think whoever that is also needs to be less beholden to the Limbaugh wing of the party. If the GOP would actually put forward moderate ideas instead of just stone walling everything, things could get interesting.
- DangerCollie, on 03/29/2009, -4/+21You're both right but I'm not sure they're capable of changing course. The Republicans have been the party of smear and fear so long, I'm not exactly clear where they're going to go from here.
Even if you look at Bush. He didn't have any new ideas. Compassionate conservatism? A vague notion with no real substance. Like a budget with no numbers.
We know what they're against...everything the president proposes. But I can't really see what they stand for. No new ideas, same leadership, same stale surrogates, same tired tactics that don't work anymore. - Blinker1315, on 03/28/2009, -6/+23Boehner needs to go and make way for a more dynamic GOP leader.
- zeebo, on 03/29/2009, -3/+18The GOP needs to split into its various factions and reform under a new banner, and when they do, they should bring the libertarians back into the fold and kick out the neocons, dixiecrats, and theocrats.
- iriemeditation, on 03/29/2009, -9/+24narrow minded, shallow, greedy, gop *****! take all your negativity & fade away...
- MWeather, on 03/29/2009, -1/+16@Obamessiah "I could piss in the snow and write something better than Obama's budget."
Apparently you're far more capable than the Republicans in Congress, then. - oldhick, on 03/29/2009, -1/+13Because there aren't any unless you mean "social conservatives". At the end of the day, social conservatives care more about abortion and homosexual marriage then they do about small government, the Constitution, and fiscal responsibility. That's the truth... Look at the Republican party as it exists. They've stood strong on abortion and homosexual marriage and collapsed on every single other principal.
- lettruthout, on 03/29/2009, -1/+12OK, let's see it.
(The budget written in snow, not the other thing.) - oldhick, on 03/29/2009, -1/+9Who are these fiscal conservatives? Seriously. Who do you believe is a fiscal conservative right now?
- mlhradio, on 03/29/2009, -4/+12Man, I would be soooo embarrassed to be a republican right now.
- MWeather, on 03/29/2009, -1/+9The libertarians don't want o come back to the fold. There's plenty of room in the Libertarian Party for conservative Republicans who don't think the government has any place in social issues, though.
- frygar, on 03/29/2009, -1/+9Let the GOP die and a new party emerge. Their credibility can never be recovered.
- smacksaw, on 03/29/2009, -0/+7In Canada they went with "Progressive Conservatism"...that can be an oxymoron...
I was reading a French-written author some time ago who pointed out that Americans don't even know what they are and that conservatives are socially conservative and fiscally liberal while liberals are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Because we are misnamed/don't know what we're doing in our economic labels, problems happen.
Republicans should get a more accurate label, for one. Conservative and liberal are not bad words because Republicans love liberal economic policies that get gov't out of the economy. They want liberal doses of capitalism.
I feel this post growing longer, so I'll wrap it up. The point I wanted to make is that Republicans who are social conservatives should lead by an example so obvious that there is no point to legislate their morality. I guess I am trying to wedge a the libertarian part in deeper, but if they ran on a platform of letting people keep their money and take care of things locally, socially conservatism would win in the marketplace of ideas if they stood on their own merit without gov't imposing them. - GreatSunJester, on 03/29/2009, -0/+7Scrap the power of the Evangelicals and Christian Coalition types and go back to fiscal conservatism, personal responsibility and smaller government. Only then can they reunite with their base and function.
- Jimbob200, on 03/29/2009, -3/+10God help America when you're hoping he'll screw up.
- kurttrail, on 03/29/2009, -1/+8LOL! Um, Oldhick where the ***** were you when Bush was promising to appoint strict constructionists as code to the anti-choice crowd?
"Second, because Bush believes the Constitution is a piece of paper, doesn't mean everyone else in the GOP does."
Well then why didn't the GOP-led congress let Bush get away with wiping his ass with the Constitution?
And Jindal is taking like 99% of the stimulus funds. Only refusing $100 million out of $4 billion! And it seems like he is reconsidering even refusing that.
As for Palin, the Alaska legislature might force her to take it all too! - MWeather, on 03/29/2009, -2/+9Dynamic? Sounds like code for flip-flopping.
I know that's unfair, but you made your beds, now lie in it. - frygar, on 03/29/2009, -0/+6You can't do anything but piss and moan about losing back in November. And you, sir, are a PROFESSIONAL at pissing and moaning.
- drmobutu, on 03/29/2009, -2/+8Rational, Thinking, conservatively minded people? They call them "RINOs"...
- k3rfuffl3, on 03/29/2009, -6/+12This is a good thing. The most moderate Republicans need to switch alliances to keep the Democrats honest. All the religious, not coincidentally hypocritical ones, need to go to the depths of permanent minority hell. Perhaps it would teach them a lesson on what it is to be a demographic minority, but then again idiots never learn. Here's to hoping.
- drmobutu, on 03/29/2009, -0/+6Is LaRouche, himself, out, yet?
- akula89, on 03/30/2009, -2/+8the GOP is dead
- muckemuck, on 03/29/2009, -6/+12Dugg..
There's already a one party system and we've had it for some time. Any differences they claim are just flufff.. just "hot button" distractions..
The "fiscal conservatives" today who are thumping their chests and making futile noise almost all voted for massive spending, TARP, and even the dreaded "redistribution of wealth" in the stimulus checks of 2008. The same can be said for the Democrats.. we'll spend $3,200,000,000 PER MONTH in Afghanistan this year...
http://differencebetweendemocratsandrepublicans.co ... - oldhick, on 03/29/2009, -0/+6All voters DO deserve representation, but why must it be from the GOP? Those that which to inject religion into government should create their own party where they can be honest about their goals and desires.
- ell0bo, on 03/29/2009, -2/+8No, you're part of the party that implemented Zimbabwe style spending (I guess you forgot about the last few budgets, all the military spending - which was usually kept out of the budget -, and the TARP bill), started two wars, and completely ignored the US's infrastructure.
- northwatuppa, on 03/29/2009, -4/+9Who needs the Libertarians? They are ideologues and cultists, too.
Why not just thinking, rational, conservatively minded people, if there are such anymore. - kd1s, on 03/29/2009, -1/+6This quote from Boehner is priceless. I had a high school accounting teacher that used to tell us "Numbers don't lie but figures do!". RIP Mr. Palmer.
Here's Boehners quote:
"His colleagues were unable to answer line-items questions as well. Boehner dismissed those details as “just a bunch of numbers.”
From what I've seen thus far the Republican plan is nothing but a continuation of the disastrous programs and policies put in place during the Bush administration. Republican have for the better part of a half century been completely against social programs like Medicare, Welfare, Unemployment benefits, veterans benefits and public schools.
We know which side their bread is buttered on. - kurttrail, on 03/29/2009, -0/+5"Both parties are hypocrites."
This digg is about the GOP, not the Dems. I am willing to wait a year and see how the Dems do with the power that We The People gave them, though I know I won't agree with everything that they'll do.
Personally, except for times of national emergencies, I prefer a divided gov't. It keeps the skunks on both sides a little bit more in check. - secrity, on 03/29/2009, -1/+6The Democrats are able to function quite well with party members and politicians who have different ideas and even different goals.
The recent GOP has simply splintered and has become dysfunctional. The GOP's biggest mistake was allowing itself to be taken over by the Christian right. - samsmartjr, on 03/29/2009, -2/+7It's tough for them to do so when they fractured under the Bush years to go into debt for three wars. I'd like to know how many politicians who voted for those war spending bills had stocks in the companies that were getting those appropriations.
- JumpingJack79, on 03/29/2009, -1/+6Uhm, just what "base" are you talking about?
- kurttrail, on 03/29/2009, -0/+4The status quo?
- inactive, on 03/29/2009, -3/+6Eat a dick
- oldhick, on 03/29/2009, -7/+10The only problem is name more than 3 Republicans that aren't neocons. Seriously.
- Unreal030, on 03/29/2009, -0/+3You know there is a serious problem when a person who is basically a 21st century founding father as far as his policies and principles and his stance on how we should adhere to them are considered.....radical.
I feel so ashamed of my country. - samsmartjr, on 03/29/2009, -0/+3So Republicans are only against deficit spending when a Democrat is the President? That's quite a flip-flop...
Why would I want a fiscal conservative who is only fiscally conservative when the opposition is in power?
Why would I want a fiscal conservative who isn't fiscally conservative when their party has the Presidency?
The GOP has proved the hypocrisy of their politicians. That's why NOBODY will vote for them in quite some time.
Maybe I need to start voting Libertarian instead so we can get some consistency... - magus_melchior, on 03/30/2009, -0/+3@FarOutGrace: The question is, who's that charismatic leader going to be?
It's not going to be Palin, Jindal, or any of the other Governors, because Congressional opposition is going to be a key part of preventing a one-party government. Oh, sure, they can aim for a Senate seat next year, but then they'd become low-ranking Senators under McConnell's thumb, assuming of course that they win the election. And that still means 2 years before they get to do anything meaningful in Congress.
Other things not working in the GOP Governors' favor is the fact that Palin still can't shut up about the "biased media" dead horse she's still beating, nor can she keep her office in order; Jindal still has that albatross of a speech around his neck; and any GOP Governor leaning towards the middle would be smacked down or snubbed by the RNC.
I'm sure a lot of Diggers would love Ron Paul to take Boehner's place, but I don't think the RNC or the GOP House caucus is going to go crawling back to him any time soon. In a culture where the message is tightly controlled, anyone saying blunt truths is going to be marginalized. It sucks, but that's politics for ya.
One would also need to account for Minority Whip Cantor, who is about as effective as Boehner these days. There is also a lot of the paranoid, delusional, propaganda spewers like Michelle Bachmann in the House GOP membership. New blood that isn't staunchly conservative is desperately needed in the Republican delegations, but that is exactly the sort of blood the GOP is rejecting, and the Democrats are courting. If they keep this up, they will face permanent regional party status in 2012 or so.
Is all this loyalty to a narrow-minded ideology worth it?
Perhaps the time has come for the moderate wing to reorganize... - muckemuck, on 03/29/2009, -0/+3notice I put fiscal conservative in quotes.. out of all of the Republicans I'd say there might be 20 or 25 who have voted like fiscal conservatives while in Congress. Look at how few of them voted against the $150,000,000,000 in stimulus checks of 2008: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll025.xml#N .. it was a failure and the people who voted against it were saying that would fail and that it was just a redistribution of wealth (since only lower and middle income taxpayers got a check.. a fact you don't hear very often from the media since the Republicans supported it)
- retrosteve, on 03/29/2009, -0/+2A comment from over a hundred years ago but it's relevant:
When in that House M.P.'s divide,
If they've a brain and cerebellum, too,
They've got to leave that brain outside,
And vote just as their leaders tell 'em to.
But then the prospect of a lot
Of dull M. P.'s in close proximity,
All thinking for themselves, is what
No man can face with equanimity.
Then let's rejoice with loud Fal la-Fal la la!
That Nature always does contrive-Fal lal la!
That every boy and every gal
That's born into the world alive
Is either a little Liberal
Or else a little Conservative!
Fal lal la! - mrteleprompter, on 03/29/2009, -0/+2@ secrity
You just made my day, LOL. - Barackalypse, on 03/29/2009, -1/+3Only 3 GOP members of Congress voted yea on the stimulus bill, regardless of what stupid votes they had in the past, they're acting like fiscal conservatives now.
- theaceoffire, on 03/31/2009, -0/+2Ok, I will listen: Why should I vote for Ron Paul in 2012?
What are his positions on Tech? Have they changed since before the election? - Unreal030, on 03/29/2009, -0/+2All of the Republicans that went third party. Unless you claim that Ron Paul is a Republican, than you can count those people too.
- seltaeb4, on 03/30/2009, -0/+2Yes, BURN!!!
All the Paulies should check this out:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161 ...
Featuring such hits as: "I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me. Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.) The Bohemian Grove--perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress's Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica."
and, on the L.A. riots: "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. ... What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the violence subsided." - oldhick, on 03/29/2009, -0/+2@unreal030, interesting site. The original Whigs were all about government intervention in the private sector. The American System was Clay's idea of having the government subsidize factories, build roads and trains, create a new national bank (Alexander Hamilton was a whig), and to use protectionary tariffs to bolster the economy.
I think Obama has more in common with the Whig party than conservatives do.
But maybe the "Modern Whig" party has nothing in common with the original Whig party -
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