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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -12/+50I am a holocaust descendant and this study make no sense O_O
I call ***** - sirlancelot88, on 10/10/2007, -1/+34Some important points:
1) This study was conducted solely by one woman, doing interviews. There are no quantitative data or statistics to support her claims, only personal anecdotal evidence.
2) She is a Holocaust descendent herself, which, given the impact of the event, points to a probable bias.
3) The article doesn't even mention what kind of PhD she is; she could have a PhD in some field entirely unrelated to sociology. What good is a study about Holocaust effects by a drama PhD? - pulyx, on 10/10/2007, -8/+36I'm jewish myself
and even though my family didn't go through the holocaust
I think that clinging to bad stuff like that does nothing good for them. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -18/+44Geez, you go through one holocaust and suddenly its I don't trust this and I'm depressed about that.
- Skod, on 10/10/2007, -10/+29Self-victimization is a disgusting habit and nothing more than a cry for attention. So many jews are eager to speak out against racism (eh..) yet strive to hold on to their "cultural identity". This can't be had both ways, part of maintaining pride in one's heritage is understanding that other people will have a problem with that. "Racism" will only be truly eliminated when people see each other on the same level without holding on to any pride in their lineage. Regardless, those who survived the camps did enough suffering, let them remember the pain and let us all move into the future.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20I'm jewish and I took it as a joke.. no big deal. Most jokes on digg are in bad taste, and that's usually what makes them funny.
Then again, no one in my family was murdered. - howea, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18How about a rape victims descendants?
- HaimPekel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14well...i'm from isreal and my family lost a few people in the Holocaust, some got out of it sane, some didn't.
the point is that i'm a three generations after that nightmare and i'm not depressed nor i walk all day with my face buried in the ground thinking about it, my grandfather is one of the toughest and most strong willed men i've ever encountered... he had been in a concentration (birkenau) camp and went through the entire thing...but he made a choice to live...and live well...those case studies make some assumptions that reflect on some random chosen victims and from Australia? (not that i have something against Australia)....hell, do it in isreal and you'll get a real result! - DracoFlameus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14well they didn't say ALL are depressed now because of that... -.- Maybe the headline is misleading... there are higher chances of being depressed... it doesn't mean all descendants are sitting crying in the corner... geez =p
- manuelflury, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Horrible. And does the same happen for the millions of slave ?
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9""Racism" will only be truly eliminated when people see each other on the same level without holding on to any pride in their lineage."
That makes the false assumption that there exists some potentially culturally neutral space which we could all agree on. We are never outside of culture. You can have cultural values and accept that others have different cultural values AND accept that this is good and okay.
Also 'let us all move into the future' is to completely miss the point that the holocaust is just one event in a long history of Jewish persecution that stretches back to biblical times. 'Never forget' is because the second everyone looses sight of these events they repeat themselves. That your comment has been dugg up so much belies a subtle antisemitism that has is already becoming accepted into the national conscious. These are the roots of genocidal thinking, not seeing that ones own cultural framework is not a universal culture and demanding that others must abandon cultural identity for us to move forward. - CatsAreGods, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Except that there's nobody around anymore that actually REMEMBERS being a slave to be depressed about it (talking about black slaves in the USA here). Even in slavery days, there was nobody running around systematically exterminating black people, so what makes you think it was "worse"?
- ganjadude4391, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13while i agree with some of what you said, there was no need to make this thread political. I feel bad for all of those who had to go through what they did, and while bush MAY be a bad dude, there is NO way in hell that our people are getting locked up and tortured to the same standards as the holocaust, especially the concentration camps. I hope that modern tech may someday help these people live a normal life.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12"The holocaust is all jewish propaganda. "
Go move to Iran. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14my ancestors suffered at the hands of the english, and the roman empire. you arent special because your black or jewish. humans are violent, territorial creatures. get used to it, its hard wired into our brains. lie to yourself all you would like, its not going to change anything.
- lnf69, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I don't know about the validity of the articles conclusions, but I'd like to remind you that people who suffer from depression are not "CLINGING" to bad stuff by choice.
Depression is a sickness not a choice. - volacide, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Yeah for some reason I completely misinterpreted the article title, basically I didn't even read "descendants" as clearly obvious in my previous reply.
I tried to edit my comment but my internet was misbehaving (damn bittorrent eating up my bandwidth [thepiratebay & BioShock PC demo ftw]). Would have changed it to, "what's with so many people making other people's problems their own these days? Everyone just wants to be a victim." - wolfdude96, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8u are a ***** retard...
it is a known fact that if the nazis did anything really well it was to keep absolutely immaculate records of every human being they slaughtered.
i find it pathetic that you cited totally subjective evidence in ur fight to disprove a genocide
yes, i am a third generation survivor - hoodedrobin, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Are you joking?
Cause I can show you the lamp shade made out of jewish skin that my grandpa got in world war 2... Or the photo of the skulls of 200-400 jewish children laid on the ground and had their skulls run over by a Panzer - skuk, on 10/10/2007, -8/+14I'm still getting over the Roman invasion. Do i get compensation?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11I'm a holocaust descendant. I'm a Slav. Hitler killed three million of us in the death camps and 33 million in russia alone. We just decided to shut up about it and not create an industry around it. We just shut up and forgot about it. I don't think about it much anymore. It doesn't bother me at all now. We didn't make a big deal about it, so to me, it's like it never happened. I thought about writing a book about it, but I thought that would be pussy and just crying over spilled milk.
- Optimus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Read the f'n article, kids. The author is pointing out the maladaptive parenting traits that are being passed on to generation after generation. This isn't about moaning incessantly about all the bad ***** you've been through to your children.
"Survivors were either over-protective or clingy because they were fearful that something would happen to their children or they were dismissive and pushed their children away in an attempt to prevent any future hurt," Ms Beck said.
"These parenting patterns are highly likely to be repeated, so the cycle of trauma transmission continues." - ILikePants, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7RTFA. The researcher says that the descendants were depressed because of maladaptive parental relationships between survivor and child and how that relationships between subsequent parents and children can be similarly maladaptive.
- Jawsh91, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Wow, just wow.
I cannot believe you can make a blanket statement like that about an entire group of people like that and get dugg up. You obviously have no empathy for a group of people who were targeted and slaughtered for their beliefs. You cannot just eliminate bad memories. When in your family's entire history has something happened to them like this, because you obviously know exactly what it is like, and have just easily 'forgotten' about it. I hope diggers come to their senses and digg down people like you for making an extremely generalized statement about people, including me, which is completely untrue and prejudicial. - Jawsh91, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Distant cousins, really?
My grandfather still has the tattoo numbers on his arm, but I guess that he did that himself.
Thanks for your extremely generalized statement. - droversoul, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Yeah...... even though I'm sick of hearing about this topic, that just doesn't add up. The holocaust was real.
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Don't say that in Europe or you could get arrested.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6No more appalling than the revisionist historians the US is crammed with!
- mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Hold on.. your calling HIM racist after making your previous comment?
wow - Osjpr, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Anyone who is afflicted by tragedy is "still suffering". Buried as attention-whoring
- mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8OK, I read stuff, now I'm digging you down. I mean I might have done 9/11 while sleepwalking that morning, but I have no recollection of it, sorry.
- EmileVictor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Welcome to the internet.
- nick111, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Yup - trouble is, Digg is filled with sheltered 15 year-olds from a country that has developed a fairly toxic culture of blaming the victim.
Take a look at this thread and see how many comments are actually blaming people for suffering from depression like it's a conscious decision or a weakness. Depression is depression - it is something you can talk yourself into, but a lot of the time you aren't actually depressed "about" anything, you're just depressed - it's an illness.
This attitude is part of the reason that the drug prohibition continues - because the sickness of addiction is branded as a moral weakness - something that you can blame the victim for so as not to have to take responsibility for anyone but yourself. - OwdenBowden, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Unfortunately, this started as a political issue and will always remain political. I have a lot of close friends whose parents are survivors and they still do not trust. Most of them have full carry permits and live by the creed "Never Again". I do not blame them because I too lost family in this manner and I am very aware of what is happening within Governments, and the World. If we look back at what took place in Nazi Germany, how it all started, you will see that it starts with the government slowly taking away the rights to defend yourself (leaving it all up to the Government) and then other rights go to the waste side - as it is in your best interest to allow the Government to handle it or it is for your good health. And finally, you are left without any means to support, defend, protect yourself and you cannot even speak without being labeled an enemy of the state. This is exactly what is taking place right this very minute in the United States of America. And, Ron Paul, Mrs. Paul and no one running for and/or in office is going to change this because they would lose the power and control. The only people that can change this is the Citizens - and as it stands most of them "talk the talk" but don't "walk the walk".
NEVER AGAIN. - ILikePants, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Actually, you do often hear about how African American families aren't doing so well--Just like the families in this article. It may be due to different causes, of course, but it's the same deal.
- ILikePants, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6That's hysterical--gee, I remember the Russians committing their own little genocide on the Jews. For centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union - Leviathan88, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Let me see if I get dugg up for this:
9/11 was bad. - wolfdude96, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4it was about 12 million, six million of which were jewish
- PA42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I always see this argument, but I'd like to have your opinion, and if you request the same I will give you mine but:
1) do you deny that the palestinian terrorists (a small minority) hide within the population?
2) assuming you don't deny that, can't you see how I have trouble imputing that all to Israel (I'm not Israeli)?
3) After the 2 year absence in major violence in the area that ended a few years ago, the violence was started again by a palestinian, how was Israel supposed to react? Do nothing?
4) if your answer to 3) above is "give back land," do you honestly think that would work? Many in Hamas (and their charter -if it hasn't been rewritten) states that the goal is to kill all of israel. So if they fold on the land issue they will just prove that the suicide bombings work and it will encourage them.
5) I believe that the israelis don't aim for children and woman (although they may not be overly concerned with them). Hamas aims for these population. Do you not see how Hamas is evil based on this? - RST1123, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I bet you wouldn't say such stupid ***** if you had members in your family that were killed.
Just because I wasn't directly killed, I'm not a victim? - PA42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4In the end I agree with much of what you said except for " for the the onezies and twozies of terrorists.... take it up the ass." You are asking people to look the other way while their sons and daughters are killed on the way to work on a bus.
Plus, neither side will ever agree on what are "Palestinian" lands and what are "Israeli" lands.
And you seem well educated ... how can you call that a preemptive war? If I'm outside your house with a gun threatening you and you shoot me, that is defense, not pre-emption.
It's the same as the propaganda over the number of people killed. Israeli's enemies were amassing on the border hoping Israel would attack first to use as propaganda ... You are falling for it. - sirlancelot88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Please read the article before replying. This study came from the Queensland University of Technology, not the University of Queensland.
- PA42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I completely see how Israelis have made mistake (although I admit I'm bias ... FYI: I'm Jewish, not evangelical). But here is where I stand.
My questions to you came from your assertion that "Have you looked at the Palestinian body count? Its TEN TIMES that of Israels." and calling Israel "the bad guy." See I believe that the 10x mark is the most disgusting type of propaganda ever produced (not by you, by Hamas). This is the true evil of Hamas. They attack and then hide amongst there own people to artificially create a large number of casualties to make ISrael look bad. It is clear from the suicide bombings that they do not care for human life on either side of the fight. So this figure in my mind should lie on the concience of Hamas as much (if not more) than Israel. (although I prey for the lives lost on both sides, the innocent civilians which did not deserve to die ... whether Israeli or Palestinian.
As to the 2 year absence. Read up on what occurred. The cycle of violence had ended, but Hamas started it again. What should Israel have done? In the 1998 peace accords Israel offered everything but the Golan Heights back to Palestine. The Golan heights were kept because when this was not in Israel, snipers sat on the hills and sniped jewish children. So this could not be given back. Was this accepted? No, more violence ensued.
Also, an agreement voted by the palestinians won't accomplish anything, all it would do would lull Israel into a false sense of security.
In short: I understand your opinion, but would like you to tell me what israel should do when they are attacked by a suicide bomber. Lets say it happens tomorrow. - tallulahvulture, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5everybody is depressed
- there, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4@ PA42
"t would like you to tell me what israel should do when they are attacked by a suicide bomber. Lets say it happens tomorrow."
If a Muslim nation starts a war by attacking Israel with an invading army. I would understand if Israelis defend their lives but it can't be a "preemptive war" like in 67 because that's just a political correct way of saying you attacked them first. Treat them like they already have nuclear weapons because they do in the form of Pakistan (and whomever they have shared the technology with since 9/11as a precaution) and there is nothing either America or Israel can do to prevent them from getting more if we keep pissing them off (despite what some western leaders think)
As for the the onezies and twozies of terrorists.... take it up the ass. Furthermore make it clear to the world Israel is finally committed to unilaterally stopping the growth of illegal settlements and is in the process of evicting themselves from previously controlled territories until a final settlement can be negotiated. This will (eventually...if kept up long enough) translate into international sympathy... something Israel is in desperate need of.
In the end... I really believe that populations needs to be exchanged because there are just too many bad feelings and differences to keep these two groups of people in the same living space. This means all Palestinians out of Israel and all jewish people out of Palestinian lands (again place the UN in between to take the flak from occasional nutbar trying to start a fight)
However all this cannot be done unilaterally or in a doublespeak unauthentic way. Iit needs to be a negotiated settlement that involves other middle east nations, the UN, and most importantly the will of the Palestinian and Israeli people (preferably a few referendums by the people themselves... not their politicians that are largely useless) Palestine can't be half a state either (like Oslo where the troublemakers on both sides stirred the pot and it lead back to step one) Full sovereignty from the get go. - PA42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4As you just said: "Finklelstein is quoted is because its hard to call him "antisemitic" when he's Jewish." This is why using Finkelstein is propogandous. Applying him objectivity because he is jewish is just wrong.
Your other fallacy is that Isreal is the "bad guy." In my mind the group that aims to blow up woman and children like the palestinians are "the bad guy." - PA42, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Leviathan88: It must be fun to live in a fantasy world of lies ... believe what you want, but it happened. Go to the old concentration camps, meet the survivors, see the tattoos, the pictures of of what Dr. Mengala (spelled wrong) did.
I'm sure you're happier being ignorant, but you really should read an unbias book. - wattznext, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. We Jews do not bring up the Holocaust for sympathy, but because keeping it in the collective consciousness helps to insure such an event is not repeated. At least not repeated upon us. I wish we could do something about darfur, or any of the other atrocities then have taken place between WWII and now, but...i dunno...the world is a ***** up place.
- EasyThereKiller, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Yes, of course Jews in the Halocaust and present day Palestinians are so similar.
Yep, the jews were irrationally violent and systematically brought down a system of mistrust upon themselves. What ignorant *****. Jews in the halocaust did little if anything to deserve what happened to them. They weren't violent or aggressive.
Comparing present day Israel to the Halocaust is cowardly and ignorant on every ***** level. There's no genocide or deliberate abuse, just two sides that cant get along. - DangerMouse9, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3For someone with the name of knowyourrights you sure are kind of hypocritical in your over zealous willingness to trample all over someone else's rights the moment their exercising of that right upsets you.
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