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- AshWii, on 12/09/2007, -41/+259i was an idiot in high school too
- MouseyTung, on 12/09/2007, -15/+143Hillary has no political affiliation, if she had any idealism it was lost long ago. Shes an opportunist. Shell promote anything a majority of the nation will agree with.
- whatthefu, on 12/09/2007, -5/+106Conservativism was different in the 60s, just so ya know.
- atdigg, on 12/09/2007, -22/+118"A young conservative has no heart, an old liberal has no mind." Somebody talked about Hillary here...
- wonderchemist, on 12/09/2007, -10/+85Things change. If was asked in high school, "In 20 years (2006) which country (US or USSR) would be the one suspending habeas corpus, torturing prisoners, and starting wars of aggression?" I would of gotten it wrong.
- jacquesm, on 12/09/2007, -5/+59I think most people underestimate the shift that American politics has made in the last 40 years. At some point the republicans became the conservatives, the democrats became the 'new republicans' and a true left does not exist (or has no power).
- deadbaby, on 12/09/2007, -4/+54Not uncommon. Generally young people follow whatever political ideology is imposed on them by their parents or society. When you get older and become educated you see the world for yourself and often change your political ideas. It works both ways -- there are plenty of Republicans who started off as Democrats too.
- whataboutdave, on 12/09/2007, -11/+61Oh, but it didn't end in high school. She led her school's chapter of the College Republicans.
- Falldog, on 12/09/2007, -4/+53Please, someone explain to me why this matters at all?
- blurrie, on 12/09/2007, -6/+51who cares. being a conservative isn't bad. being a neo-con can be.
- odigity, on 12/09/2007, -30/+68Agreed. I was a liberal when I was younger, because I cared. Now I'm a conservative, because I care - AND have studied philosophy, history, and economics. :)
Note - please don't confuse "conservative" with "neocon". Ron Paul is the only actual conservative in the bunch. The rest are just fascists, just like the Democrats are just socialists. Really, we're just given the choice one form of tyrrany or another these days. - itsJALbert, on 12/09/2007, -2/+34Nobody is allowed to change their beliefs over the course of forty years.
- Bartboy919, on 12/09/2007, -9/+39Many forget the the republican party used to be the respectable party that Dwight D. Eisenhower was affiliated with, now its just a bunch of religious nuts.
- lordtyros, on 12/09/2007, -8/+35I thought it was "an old liberal has no money."
- ncurses, on 12/09/2007, -8/+30oh ok
- silentdragoon, on 12/09/2007, -0/+19She talks about this in her autobiography...
I really don't understand why this is at all amazing -- do you agree with every belief / thought *you* had during high school? - exec0extreme, on 12/09/2007, -1/+20WHO CARES?
- inactive, on 12/09/2007, -4/+23The Republican Party became conservative during the Civil Rights Movement, particularly in 1964. That's when it was infiltrated by Christians from the South.
But more to the point, why is it so wrong in this country to change your beliefs? We put more value in people who don't change no matter how wrong they are (like, say, George Bush) than in people who grow and change through experience. - inactive, on 12/09/2007, -2/+19I wonder how many children of the 60's are now eschewing a life full of personal possesions. How many radicals are now conservatives.
People change as the world around them changes. I use to be very conservative, now I'm more liberal simply for the fact that I've seen more. - EdgarVerona, on 12/09/2007, -1/+16Very true, and thank goodness (both ways). It disturbs me deeply when people who are in their 20's/30's who still believe in political party X because their parents do. Particularly so when that's the ONLY reason they have to believe in it.
For example, I had an ex girlfriend who was 25 and her reason for voting for a given candidate was because "my parents told me to, and that's how I was raised."
Congrats parents, you raised a zombie. You must be so proud.
We stopped going out shortly after that... it's hard to take someone seriously who's willing to give up their right to determine for themselves how to vote. - NightVortez, on 12/09/2007, -1/+16Did the school burn down or something? What's the moral of the story?
- winnch, on 12/09/2007, -4/+17I was a conservative briefly. I also almost bought a Windows PC during the time Apple sucked.
Cue the cricket chirps. - EdgarVerona, on 12/09/2007, -10/+23You're free to be an idiot in College as well. In fact, the majority of Americans can be used as evidence that you're pretty much free to be an idiot whenever you want to be for as long as you want to be. ;)
I'm not a fan of Hillary personally, but I don't see what's so wrong about changing your political alignment. When one gets new information that can make them change their mind (and that information is of higher quality/more compelling than prior information), one can do two things.
You can change your mind, as a rational person would.
Or you can stubbornly keep to the beliefs that are no longer as compelling as they once were.
I'd rather have a president who's in the former category. I think 7 years of Bush has been enough to make me realize that our president needs to be someone who's willing to admit when they're wrong. - MaximusPryme, on 12/09/2007, -0/+12Actually no matter what your answer was you would've gotten at least half credit.
- inspecality, on 12/09/2007, -9/+21*would have gotten it wrong.
"would of" doesn't even make sense if you just examine it. - winnch, on 12/09/2007, -2/+13No, no one can, because it doesn't. Ridiculous articles like this make me like Hillary.
- postaboy, on 12/10/2007, -4/+15“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
-Winston Churchill - EdgarVerona, on 12/09/2007, -17/+27If you studied economics, history and philosophy you'd know that most Democrats would hardly be considered Socialists.
- ordig, on 12/10/2007, -0/+9"The good die young, but Pricks live forever"
-Lewis Black - inactive, on 12/09/2007, -0/+9and... your point is?
- zKman, on 12/09/2007, -7/+16Aren't politicians /supposed/ to represent the majority interest? Take a look at Bush. He and his administration are neo-con/Christian idealists that represent 25% of the country. See how that's working out? Not a fan of Hillary, but I don't really see this as an argument against her.
- Mothrog, on 12/09/2007, -0/+9At the time we went to war with Iraq, the use of force had over 80% approval. The majority of people also don't want gay marriage. There's a reason the founding fathers carefully guarded against strict majority rule: sometimes the majority of people are ***** stupid.
- LucasVB, on 12/09/2007, -0/+9Technically it doesn't. But a lot of people are shallow enough to change opinions because of ***** like this. It has worked well in the past, and it's common political tactic. People are dumb.
- Troika37, on 12/09/2007, -0/+9My mom's like that. My dad is a die-hard Democrat, and believes in his soul all of the principals and beliefs associated with the left. When I was finishing my degree after getting out of the service, my mom and I got in a discussion about political beliefs. She told me she's votes for whoever has a 'D' next to their name but believes we should build a wall on the southern border, bomb the entire middle east into a sheet of glass and remove social welfare programs. I don't get it.
- pintomp3, on 12/09/2007, -0/+8she stopped being a goldwater girl and republican because of the racism and pro-segregation of goldwater and the republican party.
- winnch, on 12/09/2007, -3/+11Well, first let me say, I think it's ridiculous how often we tear politicians apart and assume to know what goes on inside their head. Hillary, believe it or not, is a human being. She gets the flu. She loves her daughter. She gets tired sometimes. I'll never vote for her - but remember, you don't know ***** about her as a human.
Next. We have a representative democracy, which means we elect people, but it's up to them to decide what to do, how to lead. It's not actually true that our elected people must follow some sort of consensus of the people. - madroneDorf, on 12/09/2007, -0/+8This isn't really hidden,or news. Hilary has said that she was a "Goldwater Girl" or "Goldwater Republican" in her college days.
- smurfsahoy, on 12/09/2007, -3/+11As mentioned, democracy has nothing to do with socialism. One is an economic system, the other political. There can be democratic socialism, and there can be autocratic socialism. Or anything in between.
Fascism and conservativism are very closely linked as well. Conservatives are simply those who don't want to change things - in the case of the US, this has historically meant upholding the constitution doggedly. Fascisms are basically authoritarian super nationalistic governments, which are invariably also conservative, because the basis for the nationalism is pretty much always the longstanding conservative roots and traditions of the country. So fascists ARE true conservatives, often more so than people like Ron Paul, since the document that Ron Paul is falling back on is much younger and newer than the sorts of ideologies that, say, Mussolini fell back on.
Finally, I have a real job, am well to do, and I was a philosophy and psychology student and have studied all of those things as well, yet I am still very left wing. In fact, my favorite philosopher remains Karl Marx to this day. Studying philosophy, history, economics, etc. does not necessarily change your beliefs in any particular direction as a rule, because each of those fields has people who write both liberal and conservative theories. It's not like "Oh, I studied economics, and now I know that the only one truth of economics is conservative, so I am conservative." There are dozens of hugely popular economic theorists that are left wing. Marx, Nozick, FDR(or however came up with his policies), etc. - aks123, on 12/09/2007, -5/+13It's amusing how I get dugg down simply for saying I'm a liberal.
- yutt, on 12/10/2007, -4/+11Do you feel better after beating up that scary strawman?
- mypreciousss, on 12/09/2007, -3/+10Your handle made me picture Condolezza Rice saying this.. I lol'd...
- pintomp3, on 12/09/2007, -0/+7exactly, the democrats were the slave owners and it was a republican president who freed them. since then, the republicans have democrats have swapped places.
- EdgarVerona, on 12/09/2007, -4/+11That's very true. There was someone below who was spouting off about how they were a Democrat when he was a kid and changed to Republican as an adult because they had studied philosophy, history economics blah blah blah... If anyone had actually studied such things, they'd realize the point you just made above.
- 1337Einstein, on 12/09/2007, -2/+9You couldn't have made this up? It's not as if this is a terribly long stretch of the imagination.
- whataboutdave, on 12/09/2007, -11/+17She was a Republican for more than just high school. In college she was a leader of the College Republicans. Really, I swear. I couldn't make this up if I tried.
- clark24, on 12/09/2007, -0/+6I work with a few people like this. Actually some are even closer to 30.
"My family has always been hardcore [political party of choice] and they would kill me if I voted otherwise." Pathetic. - polymyxin, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6In college she was 40 years younger than she is now and had yet to live the majority of her life. Is it really surprising that sometime between 1965 and now someone might have a change in their political views?
- KSUdesigner, on 12/09/2007, -1/+7No there is no requirement that they follow the majority of the people, but that is what they SHOULD be doing instead of following their own personal agendas.
- HanSolo69, on 12/09/2007, -0/+6What a ***** boring story.
- jgzman, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6May I advise you that the government has paid subsidies to farmers in such a way to make "sugary, greasy, cheap food" MUCH less expensive than healthy stuff? If the government would take hands off, healthy food wouldn't be 3x as expensive as crap.
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