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- zomgwaffles, on 05/13/2008, -9/+168hi, if you weren't born in africa you aren't an african-american, you are just american. stop segregating poeple
- cheezintern, on 05/13/2008, -0/+50I dunno, I rather like calling myself French-Anglo-Canadian-Australian-American, even though I was born in California.
- cathl, on 05/13/2008, -12/+57It is the very definition of racism if your reason for not voting for Obama is because "we have been ***** by blacks." Even if you could provide 5,000 other reasons for not voting for him, the fact that this is one of your reasons still means you're a racist.
Now disagreeing with affirmative action is an entirely different story... - JimmyTheClam, on 05/13/2008, -4/+44Isn't it "racist" to assume that all blacks will be voting for Obama just because he's black?
Oops... 'didn't intend to point out the obvious incongruity there
Carry on! - inactive, on 05/13/2008, -16/+60I'm thinking the opposite; that'll win BECAUSE he is black. He's a black man who doesn't make black issues his own agenda. He's not the candidate of the NAACP; his appeal on the issues is the same as any white candidate's, but with a flair for oratory. But because he is black and viewed as "safe," he might be viewed by the majority of whites as an unconscious way of atoning to blacks for all the racism of the "past." Whites might like to think racism is finished with the election of Obama.
- ronpaulblogscom, on 05/13/2008, -7/+43Do you think Hillary has EVER been handed an envelope and not looked inside it? I dont think she could.
- Mejari, on 05/13/2008, -6/+35Yeah, I heard he was just some retarded moron who couldn't even read but because he was black they let him in. Oh wait, no, he was freakin smart and still is. Just because a black person does something with their life doesn't mean Affirmative Action did it. The fact that you can't even imagine the possibility that a black person could do something with their life better than you or your father is truly indicative of racial prejudice. You really think no black person could get into a better college than you or get a better job than you without Affirmative Action? Doesn't that mean that you think that black people are inherently inferior to you, since they can't do better? The train of logic is an eye-opener, isn't it? See a person for what they have done, not what color their skin is. Jesus H Christ, I would think that we would have that figured out by now but some people just refuse to get it through their skulls.
- FasterGun, on 05/13/2008, -3/+29He was the president of the Harvard Law Review; you're ***** delusional.
- Kallstar, on 05/13/2008, -1/+28Wish i could dig you up more than once waffles. I went to school with an 'african-american"... she was white. Used to get teased all the time, but yeah, completely agree with you.
- Tenlow, on 05/13/2008, -2/+25Don't dismiss someone's intelligence just because of their views. There are a lot of well educated extremely smart racist ***** out there. Being racist doesn't mean you're stupid, it means you're an idiot. There's a difference.
- Mejari, on 05/13/2008, -2/+21No offense to your father, but if he was really qualified for the job he probably wouldn't have been passed over so many times. It's not like affirmative action requires that everyone in the upper levels of a company be black. You may have a point if one or two times he was passed over, but 'many times'? The fact is that affirmative action or not, a company will not promote someone to a position that they are bad at if it would reduce the company's profits. So if someone was consistently overlooked for a position, maybe you shouldn't blame all the people who got the job. And you most definitely shouldn't blame all black people for anything, just as you shouldn't blame all white people for anything. But if you must blame race for Affirmative Action, just ask yourself which race was in the vast vast majority in the government that implemented the policy? Even if we give you your absurd idea that anyone of a race share their defects, I find it ridiculous that you could somehow blame a race that is less than a fifth of this country's population for your problems. Chances are, if you have a problem with the government's actions, they're a white guys actions. If your going to live in a fantasy world where race is all that matters and entire races of people gang up on your family, at least have the decency to have your arguments make sense.
- Tyrghast, on 05/13/2008, -1/+21I'm the whitest cracker of the bunch but I was born in Taiwan. I guess that makes me Taiwanese-American.
- ThePwnyExpress, on 05/13/2008, -1/+20pretty soon all the anti-hillary digg posts will dissipate, and the anti-mccain posts will prevail
- whatthefu, on 05/13/2008, -0/+21Why do we keep giving Hillary attention? She isn't going to be the nominee. She can't move on, but digg should.
- klasikahl, on 05/13/2008, -5/+25Seems like you're pissed because your brother and father aren't smart enough to get a promotion. People who are worthy of promotions get it. If the organization passes up your brother or father for a black guy, it's not because of affirmative action; it's because your family is a bunch of retards and it shows.
- Fordi, on 05/13/2008, -1/+18Hell, I'm an Irish-Italian-German-French-Saxon-Russian-Polish-Dutch-Sioux-Egyptian American from Philadelphia.
Despite the German-Irish-Hungarian American girlfriend, I should probably marry an Asian American girl. Complete the continental origin story for my would-be children.
I know I've just pissed some KKK idiot off. - Duncan3, on 05/13/2008, -5/+22He's about as black as I am martian. He's a midwesterner.
His real problem is that he's educated, which makes him unlike most Americans who like retarded morons like Bush. - rinote, on 05/13/2008, -4/+21"DEY TOOKER JOBS! "
Seriously, guy? Welcome to capitalism. - ThePwnyExpress, on 05/13/2008, -1/+18if she did, there would have been quotes around the text
- Ukonu, on 05/13/2008, -1/+18In the beginning, when Obama first entered the scene, a lot of us blacks were still in love with the Clinton brand name and looked at Obama as just some spoiler with no prospects of actually winning. Hillary actually had a lead among a lot of black populations.
Then something change...... Bill started making under handed comments like "[even] Jesse Jackson won South Carolina" and "This whole thing is a fantasy!" and we grew more and more annoyed. Hilary started making underhanded comments like "As far as I know [Obama is not a Muslim]" and her true colors started to shine.
It's like they just gave up on blacks and started pandering to bigots. I guess once they realized that Obama could win a large amount of the white vote they felt their only alternative was to scream "But...but...look at him! HE'S BLACK!"
Now, I guess the black community is raising a big middle finger to our former "1st Black President" - RAEP, on 05/13/2008, -1/+15Yeah, I have a friend who was born in South Africa. She is white, but she is technically an african american.
- rolf, on 05/13/2008, -0/+14What a stupid reason to elect someone, anyone (I think it's actually insulting to Obama). I don't suffer from any collective guilt, nor do I think anybody should for things they haven't done themselves.
And what's with all the quotes? The "past"? You mean the past? Or what? - inactive, on 05/13/2008, -3/+17Just as my great grandmother was a slave because white people somehow felt that Blacks were inferior, my mother who lived in Birmingham during the 60's and had to sit in the back of the bus and used the "colored" bathroom, and many times these "colored"facilities were substandard...just 3rd rate facilites to pay lip service to the concept of seperate but equal.... So I know many many many thousands if not millions of people who would never vote for a white, not because we are racist but because we have been ***** by whites' slavery, Jim Crow laws, lynching and stupid racist attitude.....
See repubOperative, if what I wrote sounds racist or stupid or messed up, imagin how your comments seem.... (obviously my post was ment to read as sarcastic for those who don't realize) - Jambi, on 05/13/2008, -0/+15Yes, it is. However, I think that because of the whole "first black president" thing, he may be picking up a lot of bandwagon voters (of all races) who might not have come out to vote for him were he white.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -3/+16I think Obama being smart and insightful will get him elected before being black will...
- Jambi, on 05/13/2008, -5/+18Taken from the article: "It's true that there are some whites who will not vote for a black candidate under any circumstance. But the United States is in a much better place now than it was when people like Richard Nixon, George Wallace and many others could make political hay by appealing to the very worst in people, using the kind of poisonous rhetoric that Senator Clinton is using now."
We'll see about that. After all, President Bush managed to maintain a strong base of supporters for a very long time after any sane person stopped paying attention to his babbling. Those people had to come from somewhere. - NoDrama, on 05/13/2008, -7/+20Well, she's insulted white working americans who don't have a college degree, why not add fuel to the fire? http://obamesque.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/united-w ...
- rentmitchum, on 05/13/2008, -2/+16Her language is already divisive and fraudulent, imagine if she got elected President.
- Gerz1219, on 05/13/2008, -0/+13I don't know much about this Onetimer character, but his ex-boyfriend sure is a spiteful witless prick.
- snotrokit, on 05/13/2008, -0/+12I am right there with you. I have not liked her since day one. Literally. During the first year of their administration. Not much has changed, I just can't believe that she has so many supporters.
- eavesdrop, on 05/13/2008, -1/+15Why is he considered "black"? I thought he came from a white mother and black father. Are we using the one drop rule here? He is a man of two ancestries, from two bloodlines. He is not one or the other, he is both. Move on.
- Ukonu, on 05/13/2008, -0/+13This whole "Black people get offended when you don't call them African-American" thing is ridiculously exaggerated around here. Trust me. I'm black and most of my friends and family are black. We don't give a damn if you call us black.
- Jambi, on 05/13/2008, -0/+11Two reasons: it's fun, and because it's interesting to watch the wife of "the first black president" (right...) piss away her support in a desperate move that's not likely to work. It's a triumph of ego over brains, a problem that her husband had when he was in office as well.
- thinkresults, on 05/13/2008, -3/+13Wha?? "Flair for the oratory" = but nothing of substance. You write in so many codes and quotes that your comments eventually lose all meaning. I'm getting too old and tired to vote out of guilt. We can just as easily say that we are voting for McCain cuz he's an old white guy and it makes me feel safe to have grampa in charge. But then that would be stupid.
Barack speaks to people like they're adults and expects them in his campaign to get involved, figure it out and behave like them as well (in other words, like citizens - go figure). That's enough for me - black, white, hispanic, etc... whatever. Yeah - come to think of it, I would have even voted for him if he was white. - 47f0, on 05/13/2008, -0/+10Which is sort of breathtaking, when you realize just how critical the black vote is to the Democrats. How could her radar be so incredibly out of whack as to poison a vital demgraphic?
- Fordi, on 05/13/2008, -1/+12Heh. I just generally call 'em "Dude", like I do with every other living soul on the planet. If pressed for specification, I'll say "that dark-skinned dude", and point.
Black is factually incorrect; 'black' people are not chromatically black.
Brown is ambiguous, as there are lots of sorts of brown people *pictures the hot Indian woman that works at the law firm a floor above me*.
African American is fallacious, as most of the 'african americans' you meet are fifth and sixth generation, and are about as African as a mayflower descendant is English.
Colored is just stupid, as everyone is colored.
Essentially, if you're going to make a distinction based on skin, it's 'dark-skinned', 'pale-skinned', etc. If it's on features, 'african-featured' makes sense, but it a bit hefty on the toungue.
Or, you could, like I have, stop bothering with the useless set of terms altogether. These are data only needed for a passing interest in geneaology, or in describing someone to a third party. Otherwise, it's pointless. - Fordi, on 05/13/2008, -1/+12So, your reasoning is that, since Affirmative Action - a silliness in this age, I'll agree - has ***** your ***** up, a black man cannot be President.
Transference, anyone? Not everyone has the same psychological issues as you have. Hell, I was denied entry into the best grade, middle and high schools in the city of Philadelphia because they had too many white males according to AA quotas. And you know what? I don't have a problem with black people.
I do have a problem with Affirmative Action: it's a grandfather tax meant to pay for slavery of which no one presently living was a part; it's an artificial influence on the job market, which should ideally be a meritocracy; it's a lead weight on the advancement of minorities, due to its setting the only motivation to try harder as avoidance of the appearance that they got a free ride (many people, race irrelevant, see a free ride as a badge of having beaten the system).
But that's nothing to do with Obama; he got into Harvard on merit (Harvard's Law School feels little pressure from AA), and ended up president of their prestigious Law Review; did quite a lot of intra-community work, sat in state senate for eight years before becoming a US senator and hanging out for an additional four. None of this involved Affirmative Action. Not a whit.
As such, I can't understand the connection you seem to be making between AA and Obama. It simply doesn't exist. - dagamer34, on 05/13/2008, -0/+9He reason you are seeing that polarization isn't because Obama is black but because the Clinton's pretty much insulted that group like no other, especially with the comments you see in the article. If Obama insulted women like Clinton insulted African-Americans, you'd probably see women breaking 92-8 for Clinton as well.
It's just so happens that women are often 60% of the electorate and African-Americans are only 12%. Politicians like Hillary get away with what they can. - jaxcs, on 05/13/2008, -1/+10Quite frankly I don't believe you.
- Ukonu, on 05/13/2008, -1/+11True. But I like to think the bandwagon voters for a "first female president" balances that out.
Actually, there are and always will be bandwagon and uninformed voters (a lot of people will vote McCain just because he's Republican). It's a part of human nature. The more informed voters will either have to
a) work diligently against it by spreading election information or
b) get over it - juniorb, on 05/13/2008, -3/+12The universe is divided into groupings. That's a fact. Why don't we just call all animals Richard and forget all these segregationist species names? Black and white are just words used to describe the general skin tone of a group of people. It's when people use the word "black" or "white" in a derogatory manner that problems arise. But that goes for any word.
Being colorblind or race-blind is not just impossible, it's ignorant. We should be teaching kids to appreciate the differences and celebrate the variety, not pretend to be oblivious to it. "I don't see colors, I see people" is silly. I see people too, who have infinite variety. There's a black Christian man who loves classical music and collects old comic books, and here's an white Italian woman who teaches modern dance and considers herself agnostic. These are characteristics, bits and pieces that make up a person. You're suggesting we appreciate some parts and not others. - cactus476, on 05/13/2008, -0/+8Black ≠ African-American
- mrjit, on 05/13/2008, -1/+9I do my best to call people "people," and leave out coloring, religion, sexuality, or any other segregative adjective.
- hoginthefog, on 05/13/2008, -1/+8At this point, she'll say anything to get some attention and stay in the race.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -2/+9I'm going to have to disagree.
Affirmative action is exactly what he says. I'm a professor in a government funded university in Canada. We have quotas to fill. If we need, and I do mean need because it affects funding (that's how they enforce it), say 10 "visible minorities", the University will not even look at applications from white doctorate students. They'll hire some guy with a bachelor's from who knows where over a white doctorate student of the same University, just because we have quotas to fill. The students get some guy they barely understand and the most talented candidate doesn't get a job.
The police is the same. They will hire anyone that graduate from the police academy, as long as they're not a white male from Quebec. Even if they were at the very bottom of the class simply because they have quotas to fill but not enough applicants. Same for almost all government jobs.
You can't deny that this creates certain frustrations, simply because efforts are not being rewarded.
In the 80's we had a massacre at the Montreal Polytechnical Institute (a branch of my University). Since not enough women were getting into the program, they lowered the admission standards for women. Straight A male students were refused admission. One of them went into the school armed with a riffle and killed 14 women and then shot himself.
Now I'm not saying that this was justified at all, but it does illustrate my point. If it's unfair, it pisses off people. It creates a climate of division and blocks the best candidates from reaching their goals simply because we want colors instead of talent. It creates hatred.
Equality would be to only consider competence, not race. - Eonflare, on 05/13/2008, -0/+7"America is still very much a racist country." So very true. There are many pockets of society where racism has been significantly diminished but that doesn't necessarily hold true for our country as a whole.
We've come a long way since the dogs and fire hoses but that doesn't mean we're anywhere close to done. - gryphon50, on 05/13/2008, -0/+7I admire the way Obama has conducted a pretty clean campaign....Hillary, on the other hand, has been caught in a number of lies and questionable antics. I don't understand why she just doesn't let it go. She's still a senator, she's going to screw that up too if her reputation gets any more tarnished.
- rand0mm0nkey, on 05/13/2008, -1/+8Because all diggers must think alike? Are you not a "digger?" Just an elitist drive-by commentor, then?
- AtlanticVortex, on 05/13/2008, -3/+10"Maybe obama winning this election will cause the black side to join us." your on crack if you even think for a second that it would happen. As long as they see themselves as a minority and not just as normal people, they will remain the bigots that many of them are.
- Kyvv42, on 05/13/2008, -1/+8thank you for explaining that to the slow ones, I'm glad I didn't have to say it.
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