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- dn11, on 05/20/2008, -4/+82Hopefully Hillary's run will open the door to a better female candidate next time - one without the baggage and legacy, because while I was never a Hillary supporter, I'm all for a woman becoming president.
- CatsAreGods, on 05/20/2008, -4/+36Maybe you need a new hero.
Hillary got where she is by lying, being amoral, and being married to a similar person. Golda Meir did it all on her own without becoming someone to be ashamed of.
I would vote for any qualified woman for any office, and often have. But I wouldn't trust Hillary as town dogcatcher, let alone any higher office. - AlwaysAwake, on 05/20/2008, -11/+42As Billary Clinton began to sound more like John "Bomb,BombBomb" McCain, many voters started to wonder if her testosterone levels weren't just a little too high. Her pronouncements on Iran, for those of us old enough to remember, sounded like the clarion call of many who wanted to "make a parking lot out of Vietnam". We didn't do well with that philosophy there, and the planned attack on Iran will result in worse consequences.
- darthvader72, on 05/20/2008, -2/+27Hillary is not just "any" woman. Let's not forget the key facts: 1. she has spent most of her adult life as a first lady (of Arkansas and United States), and thus came the "experience" claim .. and 2. Obama has been running against not just one Clinton, but a former President also. Thus "the Clintons", as it is frequently called in the media.
- erickhill, on 05/20/2008, -5/+30I'm an Obama supporter, let me state that up front. But I'm also the father of a young 1-year old daughter, and on multiple occasions have stated to friends and colleagues that I believe what Hillary is doing bodes well for the future of the US and my daughter. Regardless of the outcome, Hillary's viable candidacy proves how this country is long overdue for a woman president, and its not just a rich white man's job anymore. She would be a very strong candidate, and an excellent president. Obama, in my view, is simply the better candidate. Congrats should be in order for Hillary and her supporters for the history they've created, and the future they are helping to usher us towards.
- redcolumbine, on 05/20/2008, -4/+24If Clinton had shown American women that they, too, can achieve "greatness" by lying, backstabbing, and breaking the law, what would it have accomplished?
- Distracto, on 05/20/2008, -4/+21Lets not forget Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Barbara Jordan, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Mikulski, Patty Murray, Madeline Allbright.. the list goes on and on and will continue. If we're talking about gender equality and the clear understanding of a womans' ability to handle power and to lead, leaving specific policies out for another discussion, then it's undeniably an impressive list. Remember this, Hillary fought hard and she will live on... to continue fighting. Its only a question of her political judgment at the moment; how and when she will concede. I think she will and I think she knows she'll be more effective in the long run if she does.
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -3/+20I am going to masturbate to Clinton's concession speech.
- uptown, on 05/20/2008, -2/+18.....except President.
- TrevorAlan, on 05/20/2008, -4/+18A great appreciation (not apologetics or fawning over) of Clinton from a known and sharp Clinton critic. This is going to be an improtant message for Democrats to spread to heal party divisions.
Now if only HRC herself can buy into it. - 666dorado, on 05/20/2008, -2/+15i would have agreed had she not gone negative and played dirty, showing her true colors. her desperation and willingness to cut someone down to claw her way to the top leaves much to be desired.
- ArielMT, on 05/20/2008, -0/+10She's proven that a female presidential candidate can be just as bitter, cold, calculating, and corrupt as a male presidential candidate. She convinced supporters and opponents alike to not think "woman" first nor to consider that her most important trait, and that is a step in the right direction. Her campaign ended because of the traits defining her as a person regardless of gender, and it's that lack of gender bias that will give future female candidates equal footing with male candidates. It's a victory because of *why* she lost, not *that* she lost.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/20/2008, -7/+15Certainly a triumph for women.
Clinton wouldn't have just been the first female President, she would have been the last. - Beatlemaniac, on 05/20/2008, -5/+13Hilldog's defeat is a triumph for EVERYONE. Gender need not apply.
- cast55, on 05/20/2008, -3/+9If Hillary Clinton thinks that her defeat has anything whatsoever to do with her being a woman, she's too stupid to be president.
- gryphon50, on 05/20/2008, -0/+6by that rationale, since Bush is the worst president in history we must be careful to never elect another man...Your lack of logic is appalling. Hillary's flaws should reflect on herself and not on any future woman that is running for president.
- djadamjay, on 05/20/2008, -1/+7i'm sorry but is it really that inspirational for women when the candidate got there thanks to her MARRIAGE to an ex-President ? What message does that send little girls? "Marry the right guy, now you dont have to blow him, but don't leave him if someone else does that for you... and you'll go places little Judy!!!"
pffffffffft!!! - toenail, on 05/20/2008, -1/+7i dont think its a mans world anymore.. nor is it a white mans world... its a peoples world and this years elections have proved that... "GOOD JOB AMERICA!!"
- Rubio, on 05/20/2008, -1/+6I usually read an article thoroughly before deciding to bury, but the description really pisses me off. And it's not because I hate Hillary.
Golda Meier was actually really clueless, and definitely one of the least successful PM's we ever had. The only thing she did was head Israel into one of its deadliest defeats, the Yom Kippur War. The only myth here is that she was competent in any way. - pintomp3, on 05/20/2008, -0/+5i never understood why so many women feel like hillary winning would be so great for the women's movement. wouldn't it be seen as saying a woman can only be president if she is married to a former president?
- bicyclethief, on 05/20/2008, -0/+5"She's proven that a female presidential candidate can be just as bitter, cold, calculating, and corrupt as a male presidential candidate."
Here I thought women were just motherly nurturers. Hillary showed me just how ignorant I was! - wild, on 05/20/2008, -0/+5I am sorry? Is there backstory I don't know?
- FairDinkumMate, on 05/20/2008, -0/+5You have some points that conflict me. I agree that it is a problem that a lot of women supported Hillary *simply* because she is a woman. That said, a lot of African-Americans support Obama *simply* because he is an African-American & a lot of white guys support McCain *simply* because the others aren't! It will improve over time and obviously there are already huge numbers of people that don't abide by the above stereotypes.
Your second statement is simply ridiculous! Indeed women(in general) have fundamentally different emotional responses to certain situations than men. Why is that a bad thing? That Clinton was not what many(including myself) would consider a model standard bearer for women in running the most divisive & underhanded Democratic nomination campaign in living memory should in no way reflect on women as a whole. By that logic, Bush's Presidency would mean that no male should ever be allowed to conduct US Foreign policy again! Some time soon(hopefully) a moral, honest, caring woman will be President of the United States & I personally think it will be great for the US & the world when it happens. - chaosium, on 05/20/2008, -0/+5Some mouthbreathers in the GOP actively hate liberals, that's pretty much it.
- RoflcopterFUEL, on 05/20/2008, -2/+6Funny how Thatcher and Golda Meier are one of the most blood-thirsty rulers for each respective countries. Golda Meier was the one that said "there's no such thing as palestinians." ***** her and ***** israel.
- pintomp3, on 05/20/2008, -0/+4funny how it's ok to deny the palestinians right to exist.
- JulyZerg, on 05/20/2008, -3/+7Buried for incredible stupidity.
Setting a precedent for women candidates? She's taken her "unsurmountable" lead and lost it, "misspoke" about getting shot at, and is refusing to see the truth and admit defeat when it is obvious to everyone but herself.
As for redefining the Clinton brand, I don't want it. Bill may have been a good president, but she IS NOT BILL!
When I see the next woman in the running to be president, I will forever think of pyscho Clinton and her awful campaign. Good job, Hillary! - Pillage, on 05/20/2008, -0/+4Her tears would make great lubrication.
- parax, on 05/20/2008, -1/+4Hillary didn't need to be some sort of example or triumph for women. We have entire historic ages named after women. The founding of the USA was a reversal in women's importance. All the so-called progress the USA is making towards equality for women was solved centuries ago in Europe. Up until the religious fringe settled North America, women were doing quite well politically and socially. I'd dare anyone who thinks women need a champion to ponder what would have happened in 18th century France if Marie Antoinette had heard you thought women need to "prove" themselves. It's so nice to think that socially, we're catching up to ancient Egypt in terms of our respect to women.
In France, England, and the vast majority of the rest of the world, it's not even an issue when a woman runs for head office. In those places, she's just another person. In the US, if anyone but a white male runs for an office, people start gossiping and speak of them as if they're a creature of a different species. - ethornquist, on 05/20/2008, -1/+4I am torn about this. Arianna, you have done your best to see the positives of Hillary's run - positives which have largely been lost during the campaign. I don't like some of her tactics, true, but she has made a historic run at the presidency. Both McCain and Hilliary were given a nomination, but while the Republican elite stepped in to tell their voters what to think, the Democrats had enough respect for their voters to let them decide.
- gkiltz, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3It DOES mean that people are willing to ignore the gender of the candidate and focus on the message!
Obama's message is about the future, Clinton's message is about the past! - cypriss9, on 05/20/2008, -1/+4You obviously spent a lot of time and thought on your chart. Which is funny, because it's inane and unremarkable. Good job.
- morninglorii, on 05/20/2008, -4/+7Holy crap... a pro-Hillary article on the front page of Digg?
- bosssmiley, on 05/20/2008, -1/+4"How does Thatcher compare to Churchill?"
Quite favorably: Maggie took a broken-down Socialist-ruined sclerotic hulk of a country that was on IMF handouts and at the mercy of militant leftist-dominated trade unions, and turned it into one of the most dynamic free market economies in the world.
Sure, she didn't lead a country fighting single-handed against a Nazi juggernaut that had conquered Europe in a year or so, but she was the terror of the EU, and she saw early on that Mikhail Gorbachev (you know, the guy who dismantled Eastern European Communism relatively peacefully) was "...a man with whom we can do business."
Oh, and she had control of one of the world's four strategic nuclear deterrent submarine forces for over 10 years. The woman had *serious* clout and earned the honorific of 'Iron Lady'. - eviltandem, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3"She convinced supporters and opponents alike to not think "woman" first nor to consider that her most important trait, and that is a step in the right direction."
Ironic given that the entire article is all about how we all seem to think what Hillary does somehow does anything for or against women. Given all the crying about how poor lil' Hillary can't break into the big mean male world on a near constant basis.
I had no idea she had other qualifications she was running on. That she was a woman and could look into a camera and lie without flinching seemed to be all she had going for her... - DominicUK, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3But his main point is correct - here in Europe the gender of a politician is irrelevant to their chances of winning an election.
- SolitarySoviet, on 05/20/2008, -1/+4whatever my cats name is Golda Meier, she isnt forgotten... just small, furry, and has tuna breath... history repeats itself
- Tanktunker, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2At least she knew when to quit, our current guy is under 4 or 5 investigations, all for different felonies, lost us a war and had a ***** approval rating of 3%, and he still doesn't know when to retire, in some shard of dignity left.
- hfactor, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Thatcher was one. Merkel is one.
At the moment, 19 members of the UN have female leaders. - Gamer2k4, on 05/20/2008, -2/+4A triumph for women? She failed, and she failed miserably. It wasn't even close. Is the message supposed to be, "If you try hard enough, you can ALMOST be on the ballot"? Or is it, "If you play the politician role well (pandering, changing your views based on what you think the public wants to hear, and making up stories such as being under sniper fire), people will ignore you for the candidate who is genuine"?
I don't think her gender has anything to do with it. She tried to run for President, and the general public didn't buy it. How can it be a triumph for a group of people if it wasn't even an individual triumph? - CicurateGroup, on 05/20/2008, -14/+16What a crock of *****! Clinton has set back the possibility of a woman President for another decade. Her self centered, lying, sociopath's attempt at a campaign has scarred her party to the core. This bitch is a "disaster from day one" and should be banished from all spheres of political influence. How could anyone with sound mind call this devastating defeat a victory! You a f@#$ing idiot, just like her supporters and a hypocrite to boot!
- zohaibusman, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Hers will have been a game-changing defeat.
- heucuva, on 05/20/2008, -2/+4This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here:
HUGE DEFEAT! - Verchiel77, on 05/20/2008, -1/+3Wow. I didn't realize the 19th century had a WiFi connection.
Stay classy, DD. - JulyZerg, on 05/20/2008, -1/+3No Salvation... No Forgiveness...
- whalt, on 05/20/2008, -1/+3Well it's been good for Arianna at least.
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2They weren't trusted with that responsibility because men back then KNEW they weren't fit.
- pault107, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Elaborate.
- djadamjay, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2i never said that i didn't think so. i just don't see her as that great of a "model" for the future feminist movement that so many others seem to see her as.
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